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Posted: 4/13/2007 2:00:20 PM | I support those men and women who are in the Canadian Armed Forces.
Do they need better equipment, yes, I believe so. But since we will never have huge numbers of people in the armed forces it should be the kind of equipment that is geared to the 21st century, is multi-functional and highly mobile etc.
The traditional peacekeeping role always involved risk, but in Afghanistan, we are actively assualting 'the enemy' as well as trying to help the civilian population. That increases the risk that more innocents will be killed by Canadian troops, and could decrease the effect of the help given. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 2:36:16 PM |
SweetTreat.........Hate to break it to you....but we are NOT trained peacekeepers. We train for combat/war. If a unit goes on a peacekeeping mission, they will adapt the training to suit that role. But when it's said and done, it's back to training for combat. I've been doing this for along time and trust me when I say we are NOT peacekeepers, we never were. We have done that role but I'll say it again...we train for combat.
I'm not saying the Canadian Military isn't trained for combat at all, and I understand that new situations require new/updated training. I have several friends that are in the Canadian Military, some that are currently deployed and others that aren't. I of course go by what they say when it comes to their training, etc. From what I've heard from them, they have said that while they are/were trained in combat, only when we became active in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, was their training "up'd". | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 5:17:32 PM | | It would depend on their trade within the military. If they are not combat arms their training would generally be trade specific, and upon being readied for deployment they would be given more stringent training geared towards the upcoming mission. The combat arms trades are constantly training in their area of expertise and are trained to be combat ready and certainly the level of training is upped to make sure that they are at the top of their game to give them the best odds in a combat environment, its not different training it is usually more intense. True peacekeeping is taught at the PeaceKeeping school and they are not the same. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 5:28:14 PM | I hear ya SweetTreat..........we have a certain level of peacetime training.....and extra training depending on the deployment......I just disagreed with your wording, though I see you do understand the difference.
As for you duck, we agree to disagree on many things but I think you see a few too many "conspiracies" within our government and the such. Anyways, this is about our military........ 'nuff said. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 6:32:13 PM | | The sniper who got the longest kill in recorded history didn't do that from peacekeeping training. Saying the Canadian military is a peacekeeping force is like saying police are for stopping fires, they show up, but it isn't their primary purpose. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 7:17:14 PM |
I hear ya SweetTreat..........we have a certain level of peacetime training.....and extra training depending on the deployment......I just disagreed with your wording, though I see you do understand the difference.
That's cool, sometimes wording doesn't always reflect what you are trying to say haha But like I said, I go by what they tell me, because I'm not in the Military, they are. I think people in general (not just canadians) have always looked at Canada's Military and said "they are peacekeepers, they don't fight", etc. Which, is inaccurate first off, but because Canada is known for their peacekeeping missions (which are awesome btw) it's so easy to sit back and say: Canada's Military = Peacekeeping. End of discussion. Ya know? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 8:39:34 PM | | We should get the bomb. We have nuclear reactors, we have aerospace, and lots of clever people to build this for us. We need some nuclear missiles and then we can do like Iran tell America to go **** themselves if they want oil they have to pay us in gold. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 5:23:17 AM | “support our troops, bring them home”
I know it’s hard for you to understand an oxymoron like me…
Dear Mr. Bison33 you have my utmost respect and gratitude. And I truly wish you and all the Canadian military the best. I support you 100%…
But those that lie to our troops I am 100% against…
“As for you duck, we agree to disagree on many things…” that is very feminine of you. It proves you are man enough to understand someone else’s point of view. This is a female trait, not a male one. Men just disagree, and punch each other out. This is why I have such faith in the Canadian military, we are encouraged to question authority and take responsibility for our actions.
I agree we agree on many things. Ours is one of the best militaries in the world and we are greatly under funded. They make us proud.
Canada is known for its ability to negotiate around the world. Look at the negotiations between the US and Iran. It’s all threats by the US. Iran is left with only ultimatums and threats. Canada is known for leaving the door open for further negotiations, we will walk away from the table, but we “leave a residue of hope” for the other side to return. We saw the British do this and it resulted in the safe return of its personnel.
My friends once said is was once full of “conspiracy theories”. After 25 years they now they call them “conspiracy facts”.
An example: Gulf War I. I was against it before it started. Now the evidence is in, it was a fabricated war. See: Citizens for a Free Kuwait (CFK) and Hill & Knowlton (H&K). You will begin to get a clear picture of the actions of the Filthy Rich that are running the American propaganda / war machine and how they lie not only to a whole country, but also to the soldiers they send to battle.
You can lead a human to the truth, but their bias will stop them from looking.
wage peace.
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Posted: 4/14/2007 10:18:44 AM | backwardduck.......I do believe in our mission in Afghanistan, for the PRT to do their job, they need protection and the such. No war is ever popular and in the end, I know it's the politicians who decide where and when we go. I don't have much faith in them but ours seem to be a head above our southern counterparts.
As for round one of the Gulf war.......it was UN sanctioned though I remember a nurse said how Iraqi soldiers were killing babies and the such. She was in France ,I think, for the whole time this was allegedly going on. A sad way to try and garner support.
Still up in the air on the first war but the 2nd, one-sided invasion of Iraq, I think it was wrong and I'll leave it at that. (OIL)
Our military is one of the best trained going, we are getting better equipment and we are back in the public's good books....for now. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:12:06 AM | Hey People
The battle of evermore… Someone talked about nuking something. Yeah fallout works, as well as a Russian counter nuke system that would fire back! Ah while China, the US, Canada, India, Israel and Russia etc have nukes. Who’s to say some iffy dictator or situation wouldn’t create a push-come- to-shove situation in one of the other countries?
That funny prime minister in IRAN released the hostages. Remember the Iran hostage situation where a Canadian etc got some hostages released back in the 1970’s? History repeating?!? And what the heck were English marines/sailors saber rattling right near Iran’s water?!? Intimidation or espionage; take your pick? The Iranian president is looking like another Kadfi (sp), Noriga (sp), Saddam, Castro or Bin Laden for backing down. I think this other bad guy is probably in bed with the same profiteers and antagonizers to create another money making “situation.”
It’s getting really old and boring IMHO. Clearly the new secular/NWO isn’t working. The Franklin etc freemason/illuminati thing isn’t working. I’m sure Wolfowitz and that rental greenback printed by the federal reserve will keep ignoring the debt and keep printing funny money. With record bankruptcies in the US and Canada etc who’s fooling who? There are too many fires (too many conflicts globally that some need some to profit from and control.) There aren’t enough people and there isn’t enough cash to handle all the situations ideally by some while there’s an environmental crisis remember etc???
And someone said something about hippies. So some sadistic crones tied down with their decadent ignorant lifestyles would send their kids to another battle to fit-in or appease nad-less politicians!?! What’s wrong with love and improving one’s country internally before meddling and getting the usual backlash that’s wrong or pretending one didn’t start the fight. Most people have a live and let live lifestyle until someone oversteps!
Again, some are exporting smoke-screen idealism and exaggeration and oppression against women and children to get the other half distracted or aboard on occupation and resource exploitation. The Feds did it in Rudy Ridge and Waco.
For some of the new recruits and turn keys… There are better jobs that are positive and good. There are bigger issues. More political accountability, open doors, referendums/plebiscites, elimination of lobbying can make capitals better. Education and knowledge of history is good. Not exporting destructive controlling flawed or declining democracy (with patriot acts or Git Bay etc) on sovereign countries with waning world views on recent conflicts.
I could really have gone on a lot more with way more data…
I’m hitting the hay. History and thantos/human nature unbridled makes me sleepy (you can’t force respect, monkey studies proved this decades ago,)
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:15:26 AM | I do believe in our mission in Afghanistan, for the PRT to do their job, they need protection and the such. No war is ever popular and in the end, I know it's the politicians who decide where and when we go. I don't have much faith in them but ours seem to be a head above our southern counterparts.
As for round one of the Gulf war.......it was UN sanctioned though I remember a nurse said how Iraqi soldiers were killing babies and the such. She was in France ,I think, for the whole time this was allegedly going on. A sad way to try and garner support.
Still up in the air on the first war but the 2nd, one-sided invasion of Iraq, I think it was wrong and I'll leave it at that. (OIL)
Our military is one of the best trained going, we are getting better equipment and we are back in the public's good books....for now
From a former soldier to the current: I'm VERY impressed with you...you know
your shit. But be careful, the powers that be don't like them thinking soldiers! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:39:05 AM | Addium
I forgot to add in my previous message some recent Canadian news I heard... There are a shortage of psychoanalysists and counselors to console distraught wifes and their kids while their mom's and dad's fight in yet another arguably pointless conflict. Apparently there isn't enough money for that for now. Bureaucrats are debating it probably as I type this. While they worry about their popularity ratings or giving banks another half billion in debt payments (despite their usual record billion dollar profits) which lend more money to people and the military. I've heard many vets have been battling for years to get support pay to spouses and siblings for the longest time... That's loyalty???
Sad,
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:48:43 AM | The G7 wagons...the one's we just bought are now considered obsolete
in Afghanistan?? $70k per vehicle and we bought how many?? Now
they claim the tanks are about to be targeted as the enemy adapts.
As a lazy-boy chair general, I'm thinking we should lay a mine field
covering up and down the border with Pakistan. All the fanatics and
lunatics seem to be churned out from conveyor belts from that side
of the border. And there should be an order in Pakistan to stop
in-breeding and to mind their own business. Our forces are in Afghanistan
at the invitation of the Afghan people....what business is it of yours?? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 8:31:34 AM | | I only support our military to defend our own homeland, not follow US politics and go in other countries shooting at people. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 12:12:21 PM | ^^^ Deep down I agree with you. This Afghanistan war is actually
a drug war with billions at stake. I doubt so much that the taliban
are interested in religion, which becomes apparent with their killing of
children and women. If the US, the talibans target drug market, would
legalize drugs, we wouldn't be stuck in Afghanistan.
Legalize all drugs...make it free and let the consequences of drug
addiction be the responsibility of those who are dumb enough
to use it.
Want to see proof? Take a look at the Mexico....they are beheading
many people. EXACTLY like the Taliban-cartel are doing....the
Brazillian-cartel & Mexican cartel are now in the head-lopping business tied
to the drug trade......all scrambling to import ILLEGAL drugs into
the United States. There's your common-denominator. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 2:50:44 AM | Hey Folks
The situation for Canadians in Afghanistan is eclectic. The middle-east has been a mess for centuries...
The crusades had a religious/monetary draw by Peter the hermit, Louis VII etc back during 1118ish. Cabrals did the initial recon, Templars and the French monarchy provided the military muscle. The English got in later. Heck they even had a children's crusade which was like the 13th one. Saladin struck back during the second. Eventually the Moslems settled in Spain and gave us algebra etc at a cost of many lives and land etc. Some zany hermit and Pope gave the go ahead for testostrone driven infighters in Europe to redirect their frustration to reclaim the Holy Land to forgive their past sins! They kept fighting each other in Europe so they needed re-direction? Well the crusades didn't work and it PO'ed the Moslems who were really minding their own business and brought them into Europe eventually.
If memory serves a Christian king even sheltered the young religion while they regrouped outside of Damascus. Islam isn't an offensive religion. Period. Again it defends itself against theft etc in worse case scenarios. I believe a polygamous male has to look after his wives and theres a big procedure there (on divorcing and support.) Women command a great deal of respect in the Torah. My old man worked with many Moslems in Algeria and they are good people. Again we're talking a few extremists and some western xenophobia/sensationalism with a pinch of ignorance.
This looks like partially a religious war again for starters. Christianity has been rubberized/secularized, so now Islam arguably the next biggest and strongest religion has to be battled. And who supported Bin Ladden initially? And who went into Iraq which had no WMD and no real link to 911? Who invaded again? And we're wondering about another backlash again?
Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan are hot spots that are apparently threatening middle east peace and the flow of resources namely oil and water. So we got kosher leadership in Iraq now apparently while some locals and God knows who keeps fighting another occupational force driven by bankrupt and flawed nations that insist on testing weapons and playing war games for mostly pure profit with good and poor people getting wasting mostly by their own. Civilian populations in these foreign wimpy countries take the brunt of the casualties! Does David have an open bank account now with Greenspan or Wolfowitz? Einstein, Oppenheimer with there recycled Atlantian fire crackers (WMD?) After Mars? Face and pyramids again?
I think we have many war criminals in NA. Kissinger and Wolfowitz should be tried like we've tried other dictators that have been manipulated and used by the grey eminency that keeps playing this BS. The only reason why they haven't been is because no one has the power to apparently judge these sickos.
There is a power and He which was one of them controls the metaphysical. Descartes, Fatima, stigmata, beyond the human visual spectrum and subsonic... Jerusalem had an earthquake when a few with the Romans killed their own. After Lazarus, water into wine, walking on water and the resurrection... Peter heard the crows...
War pigs and dinosaurs, I heard the singers sing of love (Yes - Aim High. Shoot Low) Blue sedan?
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Posted: 4/17/2007 12:48:03 PM | Conclusions and clarifications.
Wow I really veered a little there! It more or less all comes into play however.
There are a few people at the top obsessed with history and this military/munitions sector...
So whats with the love affair with Mars? Canada is sending a weather rover (robot) to monitor the weather there soon. It's pretty obvious that the planet supported some life at some point. So now after so many years (many people have known that there was a civilization there with the symmetrical face (has eye balls a mouth) and the five and six sided pyramids) scientists are getting their proof that there is water there and was bacteria. Oh, and money and continued employment on these space projects while people die in the streets of Toronto and Africa etc. Snail paced cynics/skeptics plundering government coffers for make work projects?!? They want to know what happened there. Was it another nuke, meteor or an ozone situation? The data under the sphinx paws gave them some history. Farther some of these scientists had there biosphere experiment and found that the people in that Texas (I believe) got bored being locked up in a glorified greenhouse. The bottom line with all this is they don't have enough information and mainly the technology to nuke earth again and settle elsewhere again if something happens. Hence this dialectic obsession with Mars.
The Atlantis thing happened for sure and it's well documented historically. That continent or island was in the mid-Atlantic. There probably was the Thera site as well. I think this was just a civilization in the Med however. Plato places the real civilization after Gibraltar in the Atlantic. There is evidence of it at Bimini and the Azores. Healing pools and walls etc. Some are probably pushing Thera because it's more tangible (more current physical evidence) and these people need money and Greece likes tourism too. Egyptian scholars laughed at Plato with his basic math and his small span of history. They told him he had no hoary knowledge. They where building pyramids that were mathematically precise with skilled trades people. There were probably slaves in the mix. Clearly the farmers and tradesmen were furnished, housed and buried eventually near the pharaoh. It's wild that vent shafts in the pyramids line up with Orion cluster in space farther. A postori evidence of a disaster in the Atlantic comes up with Inca and Maya carvings and glyphs on buildings etc. Ancient Egypt is definitely a colony of the aftermath of some disaster in the mid-Atlantic. There are too many similarities. These pyramids were IMHO more edifices/tombs abet decadent (and we're still building them with government buildings and the like renaming and tearing them down as per usual) as cliched monuments to some proud civil servants and philanthropists with some tax write-offs farther as landmarks to themselves.
The library in Alexandria was probably the worst loss of data humanity has lost. We're basically rediscovering all the info that was there and burned and destroyed by some organized wanker goon vandals. I think the Romans conquered them apparently. I think we all know that history has a propensity of repeating and what goes around comes around.
So, in conclusion for now, there are some people who want to know what happened to these ancient civilizations and make money on this because we all have to pay the bills when it's pretty obvious and for some that human nature which they can't control like greed envy and all that. And yes because they have to get their bit in and play the skeptic cards with all their schooling, a great more money that could have been invested in health care or low cost housing will be wasted again. Yes we have will power. I personally feel better when I help someone, then when I berate them or hurt them. Negativity generally is a sign of insecurity that can become obsessive and needs reinforcement. Oh and there is probably God and his right hand man Jesus that control our souls and will right the wrongs of some side tracked people. And who do these people visit when they murder or kill people? I hear a lot of soldiers get nightmares and trauma from the battlefield... And many of these soldiers volunteered. Imagine if none of the players showed up for another battle. There would be no battle. I must be dreaming.
Ciao,
Dan
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Posted: 4/19/2007 3:06:29 PM |
part of that comes from the reality that our military is so woefully underfunded and our equipment is sadly and pathetically outdated that for us to undertake security with obsolete technology is laughable.
Yes, thank you Mr Chretien & Mr Martin.
Thankfully, with Harper at the helm this is changing, and very rapidly.
The wars of our generation will not be fought with huge armies.
Once we are funded properly, with our superior training, we will have one of the most effective military forces in the world at combating terrorism, peacekeeping, or disaster relief.
Even though underfunded, we have exellent soldiers. Ask the American marines who were first into Afghanastan after 9/11 and they had Canadian snipers there with them.
Macleans has an excellent story on it. One of our snipers broke the world record for a distance kill. The Americans wanted to give them medals, stating several times the Canadian sniper teams literally saved hundreds of American GI's lives. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2007 4:00:13 PM |
part of that comes from the reality that our military is so woefully underfunded and our equipment is sadly and pathetically outdated that for us to undertake security with obsolete technology is laughable.
We don't need a lot of the best toys because we are not at war with anyone. We just need enough of these toys to have a professional army that knows how to use them. We also don't need to make massive investment in a military industrial complex because unless we are planning on defending ourselves against the Americans, we won't need self sufficiency in that area. We'll buy them from the Americans like everyone else does. In the mean time, they let us train with them.
We should really reconsider our involvement in Afghanistan too. Spain, Italy, Germany and France, members of both the EU and NATO, have refused to send more troops or to move their existing forces in Afghanistan to help with spring offensive against the Taliban.
Unless Canada decides to actually get involved in the International politics as ... maybe the softer side of North America ... instead of of just nodding to what Bush says and then run and hide in shame, we won't have a need for a big military. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2007 10:39:20 PM | the canadian forces and canada will always b the yankies clean up crew, after all the glory and bloodshed is thru they will send in the canadians to mop up the blood and gore, bake the mass graves etc
realistically the idea of another world war is so ridiculous that all itd take is 1 nuke and the opposing party would either surrender or unleash the holocaust on this planet .
soldiers are just pawns in the chess game of these religious power hungry zealots in control of things
one day probably too late these so called soldiers and military people might wake up and realize that their real duty is to protect the taxpayers and people of the country they serve,
not the parasites and degenerates that are holding onto power by creating 3rd worlds and pushing poverty disease , death , and suffering on the poorest people on the earth | |
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Posted: 4/19/2007 11:44:32 PM | I don't understand why people are applauding Harper for funding
the Armed Forces - firstly, the G Wagons that we got to replace
the Elties (small vehicles) .......are now OBSOLETE. The G Wagons are now easily
destroyed by IED's and have been PARKED. I work accross the
street from a Canadian Forces Armory.....2 weeks ago, I saw
maybe 2 parked. Today, the parking lot is filled to full capacity...they
are deemed as obsolete in Afghanistan. ''The G-Wagon armour makes it a very
vulnerable vehicle,'' said MacDonald, senior analyst with the military lobby group the
Conference of Defence Associations $220 MILLION for 1100 G-wagons? For what??
You can't use em! I'm betting the G-Wagons were brought home under the
cover of darkness and away from the press. You should see them all lined
up sitting there...it's like a car lot.
The Leopard A6Ms tanks: One Senior military official announces that the German
tanks are now vulnerable and will be used in very limited circumstances. The
IED's are too powerful and will cut these tanks down like butter.
The new Airplanes....Harper himself choose not to lease the planes like
many militaries around the globe but foolishly BOUGHT the planes
for use in very limited occasions.
I don't get it. We blew tonnes of money....more soldiers are dying...they
can't use the friggin equipment. So, why are we patting Harper on the
back?? Because he SPENT MONEY??  | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:33:02 AM | hmm maybe did u ever think that the canadian military is donating money to the yanks , in buying their antique crap armored vehicles, its like buying cars from the wrecking yard
222 000 000 for 1100 vehicles
anyone figure out the cost per vehicle?
maybe it woulda been cheaper to refit a buncha brand new 2007 hummers
or send em over there with some big tracked dump truck
that way yad only need to reinforce the cab and place the troops in the dump part
still bet ya could get alot more of them for that money
the canadian government always shopped at the military surplus stores to supply its neanderthals,
look what happened when avro tried to supply the canadians with airplanes
its not good business for canada to build its own military equipment, it scares the yankies
so until such time as we get rid of war we will watch our tax dollars wasted on recycled military equipment | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 1:45:29 AM | I only support our military to defend our own homeland, not follow US politics and go in other countries shooting at people.
I see where you come from on this, but with all due respect, when someone enlists in the Military they sign a piece of paper that states if they are called to duty to serve their country, they will. They don't sign a paper that says "If I'm called to duty to serve my country, I'll only do it if I agree with why you are going to war".
I can agree with opposing war, I can agree with opposing why the military is sent somewhere, but I can not and will not agree to not supporting troops. They are only doing their job, and doing a damn fine job of it. A friend of mine lost her son to this war, and I have several friends that are currently serving in this war. While they all have mixed feelings about the war itself, they all have said they are here to serve and that's exactly what they are doing. To not support the troops in my opinion is a travesty, and it really breaks my heart to hear people say that. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2007 9:49:37 AM | Sweet
That's why everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I see where you come from on this, but with all due respect, when someone enlists in the Military they sign a piece of paper that states if they are called to duty to serve their country, they will.
You could only call it serving the country if you are attacked and you would want to defend your own homeland, which is not the case when it comes to Canada.
You could only call it serving the country when we are helping those people, not shooting at them. The fact of the matter is that the role of our military has changed since the conservatives have come to power. We are more of us policy followers now a days.
This way of serving Afghanistan doesn't help at all and will never help in the future either. It all comes down to trampling people's cultures and forcing our ways of living on them. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2007 1:05:34 PM | I joined in the early 90s and rode out the era of drastic budget cuts. Anyone else remember our former uniforms becoming "combat lingerie" because they were getting so threadbare you could see through the nylon?
I read a lot of ignorance in this thread. Assertations that Canada's military went into iraq, that it's a puppet of the US military, etc. All false.
As a former Canadian troop and most recently an advisor on the CBC documentary The Great War I can tell you Canada has had a long and proud history of autonomy and "get 'er done". We attack those that need to be attacked, defend those that need to be defended. Afghanistan was about breaking up the Taliban and the support it offered Al Qaeda, and now about rebuilding the nation to decrease the liklihood of another hardliner filling in the power vacuum. The only nation we've agressively invaded was the US, and only because President Madison picked a fight to push the border north to 54-40.
Two world wars, Korea, peacekeeping, and now Afghanistan have been about restoring stability and peace through the overthrow of those who would conquer.
The key problems with the Canadian Forces come not from the troops but from the beurocrats:
When they began dumping males form combat arms roles and pushing in females who didn't meet the physical standards, just so some pencil-pusher in Ottawa could boast about higher female enrolement, all it did was degrade the achievements of the women already there - who had earned the respect of their co-workers - and decrease the effectiveness of the units as they now had members not physically suited for their mission.
When some twit in Ottawa decided "We need a unit to guard the compound in Somalia - let's send the airbourne, they're not doing anything" that was a recipe for disaster. To tell them they can't fire even when fired upon only exacerbated the situation. But did Maclean's talk about how 12 year olds were shooting at Canadian troops? Or how the troops weren't allowed to defend themselves, night after night, as raids on the compound increased? No. One night the troops decided they weren't going to take it anymore - the airborne are trained to attack, not run - and they defended their compound. And the media was all to willing to sensationalize the events.
Was it right for them to beat a prisoner? no. But it wasn't right to bomb Dresden either. In combat, when the tide turns it's common for those who were attacked to take out aggression on the predators-turned-prey. Those directly involved should have been appropriately punished, but that's it.
You may recall all through that era the buzz was that the military was a useless drain on taxpayer's money. Some of us got spat on or egged on the way to work. Training was cut back to the point of being almost comedic.
Then September 11th happened, and suddenly the military was everyone's best friend. A few years later and small-l liberals are starting with their ignorant blather about what they theorize the military must do, therefore it must be true, and don't bother to let facts get in the way of their preaching. | |
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