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Posted: 4/24/2007 1:09:48 PM |
You could only call it serving the country if you are attacked and you would want to defend your own homeland, which is not the case when it comes to Canada.
You could only call it serving the country when we are helping those people, not shooting at them. The fact of the matter is that the role of our military has changed since the conservatives have come to power. We are more of us policy followers now a days.
This way of serving Afghanistan doesn't help at all and will never help in the future either. It all comes down to trampling people's cultures and forcing our ways of living on them.
What an uneducated steaming pile.
The only reason Hitler rose to power was because after the allies removed the Kaiser, Germany was left destabilized and leaderless. If you smash the existing power of a nation you'd better stick around and ensure the appointment of a stable government, or oyu're asking for even bigger trouble down the road.
As to serving your country only being about defending oyur own nation's territory - are oyu saying the thousands who died at Vimy weren't serving their country? It is specifically because the 4 Canadian divisions fought side by side and smashed through the Bavarian forces that the Brits began treating Canadians not as colonists but as people from an autonomous nation. It is specifically because of Canadian blood shed on foreign soil that there IS a Canada from which you can sit in safety at your computer and type without thinking. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2007 5:21:55 PM | You could only call it serving the country if you are attacked and you would want to defend your own homeland, which is not the case when it comes to Canada.
America was the country that was "officially attacked", but we lost Canadians on September 11 as well. Official releases from the Taliban have pointed at Canada as a terrorist target. Should we sit back and wait for them to drop a bomb on Parliment Hill? Or wait until they blow up Niagara Falls?
You could only call it serving the country when we are helping those people, not shooting at them.
I will tell you from friends/soldiers that I've spoken to, they beleive they are making a difference. I'm currently putting together a care package to send out to a friends Unit that are stationed in Afghanistan, they tell me about how they encounter children and people everyday and how they thank them. Weeping and hugging them for all they have done. You don't see that on the news. I, and others are currently trying to get 1000 soccer balls to send over so the soldiers can give them to the Afghany children (the soldiers btw are the ones that have been requesting them) But of course you don't see that on the news. They are currently rebuilding some buildings that were blown up in attacks, but of course....you don't see that on the news.
They have told me that we back home don't see all the good that's being done over there, we simply see what sells in the media. Bombs ripping apart buildings, people dieing, protests being made, etc. But God forbid we should see the good being done.
The fact of the matter is that the role of our military has changed since the conservatives have come to power. We are more of us policy followers now a days.
I'll be the first to say our Government has it's nose so far up Bush's ass that it isn't funny. When the liberals were in office, Martin took a stance saying that Canada will not get involved. I was happy, so were others. But the fact is, offices in goverment change and with the change, larger changes are inevitable. With this goverment change, we went to war. The people spoke, the people voted and this is a result of the majority of votes.
It all comes down to trampling people's cultures and forcing our ways of living on them.
I don't see it that way. Do you feel that WWII was trampling on peoples cultures? We could have sat back and let Nazi Germany stay as it was, afterall...that's how it's goverment wanted/decided to run it's country. Unfortunately with war comes deaths, whether they be intentional or accidental. But I can assure you if what happened on Sept 11 had taken place solely on Canadian soil and not just on American Soil...most Canadians would have been for the war just like most Americans were at the start of all of this.
Our Canadian Soldiers and American Soldiers and British Soldiers are dieing daily,and if you can't appreciate the sacrafice they make to serve our country, than I really feel sorry for you. Equate it to "Love the sinner, hate the sin", to not be supportive of the war is one thing...but to say you aren't supportive of the troops.... that's just sad. | |
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e-wok
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Msg: 79 | |
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Posted: 4/24/2007 6:45:06 PM | Sweet treat, you have a very limited understanding, IMO, how things
transpired and it'll be exhausting to counter every single word of
your post. But, I'm just saying your arguement falls flat and is
full of holes.
America was the country that was "officially attacked", but we lost Canadians on September 11 as well.
By whom? Iraq? Afghanistan? Some dude named Bin Laden?
I will tell you from friends/soldiers that I've spoken to, they beleive they are making a difference. I'm currently putting together a care package to send out to a friends Unit that are stationed in Afghanistan, they tell me about how they encounter children and people everyday and how they thank them. Weeping and hugging them for all they have done.
Afghanistan: It's a war against the drug cartel.........legalize the opium and the
heroin and the war would end. My belief. The kids there will have hope
rather than a life long struggle for survival. Wanna help out? Write to GWB
to legalize the drug production.
Our Canadian Soldiers and American Soldiers and British Soldiers are dieing daily,and if you can't appreciate the sacrafice they make to serve our country
It's politics, sweet treat. Aghanistan, like Iraq, isn't attacking Canada or the
United States. Some dude named Bin Laden is. The hijackers raised and
trained in Saudi Arabia are.....why aren't we holding SAudi Arabia accountable
if you want to protect our country from the big bad men? Where does the
money come from to support the multi-million dollar insurgencies across
Iraq? Bake sales or Saudi Arabia?
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Posted: 4/24/2007 7:19:48 PM | Sweet treat, you have a very limited understanding
And some may say you have very limited understanding. Let's be honest, no one really has any understanding, or at least nothing significant. You can speculate or offer opionions as much as you'd like, as can I..and it doesn't mean that in the end either of us are even remotely correct.
But, I'm just saying your arguement falls flat and is
full of holes.
Ummm actually..I wasn't making an argument about anything. But you seem to want to turn this into an argument.
By whom? Iraq? Afghanistan? Some dude named Bin Laden?
Do we really need to go here? Yes a moron name Bin Laden, according to Intelligence he was in Afghanistan (I'm not saying the intelligence was correct or not because I don't know) when asked to give him over they denied hence they were harboring terrorists. Was it right to invade Afghanistan? Don't ask me because I have no answer.
Afghanistan: It's a war against the drug cartel
Well that's your opinion, again I have no opinions.
It's politics, sweet treat. Aghanistan, like Iraq, isn't attacking Canada or the
United States.
Do we need to go here either? 95% of things like this are politics. Ask me where I've said otherwise? I have even said, I can understand why people do not support the war, but how can you not support someone that has dedicated 5+ years of their lives to service for your country? Regardless of why the goverment sent them there, they as soldiers don't have a say...unless they want to go AWOL. And if you are an ex-soldier, you should understand that pretty well. If you were deployed somewhere, you know you don't have the right to say "well sorry sarg...I don't agree so fuc-k you". It would be, fall in line, pack your sacks you're leaving tomorrow.
Bottom Line: Goverments get the priviledge to pick their battles, soldiers don't. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2007 7:50:57 PM | And some may say you have very limited understanding. Let's be honest, no one really has any understanding, or at least nothing significant. You can speculate or offer opionions as much as you'd like, as can I..and it doesn't mean that in the end either of us are even remotely correct.
We all know the TRILLION was spent on Iraq rather than Afghansistan.
We know that the shareholders of Haliburton saw their share prices
go up 4000% - NO EXAGERATION. People are making incredible
amounts of money....it's OUR kids that are dying NOT the politicians
or the shareholders - let's get that much straight...I'll meet you half way.
I can understand why people do not support the war, but how can you not support someone that has dedicated 5+ years of their lives to service for your country?
I doubt very much anyone wants to see harm come to a soldier. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2007 11:03:34 PM |
We all know the TRILLION was spent on Iraq rather than Afghansistan.
We know that the shareholders of Haliburton saw their share prices
go up 4000% - NO EXAGERATION. People are making incredible
amounts of money....it's OUR kids that are dying NOT the politicians
or the shareholders - let's get that much straight...I'll meet you half way.
Dude - seriously. This is a thread about the Canadian military. Iraq and haliburton are completely irrelevant to the CF. We're involved in Afghanistan, a separate country, and haliburton supplies the US military, not canadian.
Oh, and your pet theory about drug cartels? During the years the coalition in Afghanistan were under Canadian command, Afghanis were allowed to grow poppy crops. it was seen as interfering with the local economy to make them stop. It's only recently that the crops have been put to the flame, and as part of an American, not Canadian, anti-drug campaign. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 12:53:39 AM | It's only recently that the crops have been put to the flame, and as part of an American, not Canadian, anti-drug campaign.
The crops are doing very well since the usa kicked out the
Taliban, and ALL crops...80% are heading
to the United States market and it's been a lucrative year for all stake
holders and those that depend on the drug trade directly and indirectly.
We Canadians are involved in the anti-drug campaign in Afghanistan.
By our laws that make these drugs illegal, we just handed the terrorist
a blank check that earn them BILLIONS of dollars. Legalizing it tommorow
will result in: 1) No change to the number of people who get addicted to
heroine....which is easily available. 2) Terrorists will be starved out of money.
So, either that, or a mushroom cloud over NYC....but before you
argue that the borders are too secure to allow for WMD to enter
the borders of the USA, let me ask you: How do thousands of tonnes
of heroine manage to enter the usa every few days?
And a few burnt fields of the competitor only make the drug more
expensive per kilo - win win. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 5:47:55 AM | e-wok has a very good understanding of this and many other issues.
the problem is, he is talking in ideas, root causes and solutions and most of the rest of the posters have not spent enough time researching the issues and choose not to put Afghanistan into both the historical and recent context of the multinationals (the Filthy Rich) goal for "global hegemony".
for instance by "argument" e-wok does not mean he wants to "argue" with you. he wants you to be able to back up your points with proof and logic. it is the critical thinking definition of argument.
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:25:56 AM | Yeah - nevermind that some of us were actually deployed overseas in uniform, and have friends currently serving in Afghanistan. What the hell would we know about what Canadian troops do or have done?
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:29:21 AM |
The crops are doing very well since the usa kicked out the
Taliban, and ALL crops...80% are heading
to the United States market and it's been a lucrative year for all stake
holders and those that depend on the drug trade directly and indirectly.
We Canadians are involved in the anti-drug campaign in Afghanistan.
By our laws that make these drugs illegal, we just handed the terrorist
a blank check that earn them BILLIONS of dollars. Legalizing it tommorow
will result in: 1) No change to the number of people who get addicted to
heroine....which is easily available. 2) Terrorists will be starved out of money.
Make up your mind - are we destroying the crops or allowing them to grow?
Here's a newsflash for ya: When Canadians were in command of the coalition in Afghanistan, we let 'em grow the crops. Why? Because Canadian law doesn't apply in other countries, and depriving them of their livelihood doesn't exactly win hearts and minds. If it sounds familiar, it's because I already told you that a few posts previous.
Here's another nugget you overlook: under the Taliban, the crops were illegal. So - er - what was that about billions for terrorists? | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 3:57:02 PM | for instance by "argument" e-wok does not mean he wants to "argue" with you. he wants you to be able to back up your points with proof and logic. it is the critical thinking definition of argument
And has ewok offered up any evidence to back his points up? Has he cited sources, statistics, or findings? No he hasn't. He has merely offered up his opinions just like everyone else has, that's it. You shouldn't even entertain the thought of asking people to back up their information if you yourself can't, won't or don't.
Yeah - nevermind that some of us were actually deployed overseas in uniform, and have friends currently serving in Afghanistan. What the hell would we know about what Canadian troops do or have done?
Apparently, those involved are the last too know...everyone else seems to know tho. Amazing, isn't it?! *hopes you all note the sarcasm*
BTW, I stated in an above post what my friends that are serving in Afghanistan and Iraq have told me...you know...the good they are doing in those places. And that information is verifiable on the Department Of Defense website if you care to view it there. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 5:26:43 PM | And has ewok offered up any evidence to back his points up? Has he cited sources, statistics, or findings? No he hasn't. He has merely offered up his opinions just like everyone else has, that's it.
It's actually common knowledge if you're a news junkie. That's why
I'm so forgiving of you and won't hammer you too much...you don't keep
up, but expressing your opinion is ok - but back it up with facts. Just google
it and check facts out on your own. Check out the GDP of Afghanistan
and ask yourself if the leadership of Afghanistan will allow their economy
to collapse by extinquishing the drug trade. Common sense (not opinion)
tells you NO FRIGGIN WAY. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:09:49 PM | ah, so we're to go by your interretation of a journalist's interretation of what's going on with the Canadian military, vs. real world first hand experience in uniform.
wow. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:11:38 PM | | 'interretation' should read 'interpretation' | |
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Msg: 91 | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:29:53 PM | ^^^ I'm a former Canadian Forces soldier, sir. I'm not pretending anything but
I can't speak about what is going on in the field right this moment, but like you, I
wait for reports to be release and debated in Parliament where the civilians
decide the next mission or lack thereof. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:37:36 PM | It's actually common knowledge if you're a news junkie. That's why
I'm so forgiving of you and won't hammer you too much...you don't keep
up, but expressing your opinion is ok - but back it up with facts. Just google
it and check facts out on your own. Check out the GDP of Afghanistan
and ask yourself if the leadership of Afghanistan will allow their economy
to collapse by extinquishing the drug trade. Common sense (not opinion)
tells you NO FRIGGIN WAY.
Actually, I'm a self proclaimed news whore. But do you beleive everything in the media? I don't, and if you do I feel sad for you. You do realize the media reports what people want to see right? What do you think brings in more ratings for them? Seeing bloodshed and hostile environments...or troops playing soccer with young iraqi children? I think this past weeks VA shootings should answer our question., while the memorial services did get airtime, and yes so did the victims.. who and what got the most airtime? The gunman. I couldn't turn on my tv set, log onto the internet or pick up a paper and not see that morons face there with a gun in each hand...could you? The tapes he left, the photos he left, the letters he left., that's what was played out constantly in the media. If that's what's being rebroadcasted over and over again, it's what people are watching, and what people are watching is what brings in the money.
I would hope you aren't so dumb to beleive everything reported in the media, just as I'm not dumb enough to realize everything the goverment tells us is not the truth. But generally the media is one sided...ask any celeb, they'll tell you. And again, don't tell me to back anything up since you haven't backed anything up. Unless simply claiming you've heard it in the media is your way of backing your opinions up. My sources come from The Department of Defense, take it or leave it, personally I don't care either way.
Directly from the DoD:
- Did you know that 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq?
- Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been built in Iraq?
- Did you know the Iraqi Navy is operational (which it hadn't been) They have 5- 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.?
- Did you know that Iraq's Air Force now consists of three operational squadrons, 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 bell jet rangers?
- Did you know that Iraq now has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion ?
- Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service now has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?
- Did you know that there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq. They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities?
- Did you know that about 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
- Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consist of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?
- Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?
- Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a recent televised debate recently?
I'm sure you didn't, because no...we never hear of these things. The point being is yes..we are all aware a war is going on, yes most of us disagree with the war, BUT most of us also don't realize that there IS good happening over there. These soldiers live it, they KNOW it. And for you to simply say "well the media reports this and that" and have the nerve to tell me to back up what I've said (which by the way all of the above can be found at the DoD at www.defense.gov) astounds me.
And yes I'm sure to people like yourself you think...wow...vaccinations, whoopie! Or wow..the stock market, who cares. We take those liberties and freedom for granted, it's as common to us as breathing...it hasn't been for years for those people. And when you hear stories from your friends that are serving over there, and when you get photos from your friends in the mail of smiling children and when you get hand written letters or emails from your friends saying things like "it's tough here, but seeing the good we are doing makes it worthwhile", than please by ALL means, come to me and say "Yeah...no good is being done".
BTW, if you think the DoD is one sided, I suggest you browse the site. On the front page there is information about the investigation into Tillmans death, along with the Military and Accountability reports, Detainee information, etc. So ewok..I've provided legitimate sources to back up information that I've received from friends serving abroad, where's yours? | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:58:56 PM | Hey People
This is my last post on this thread. For me personally this is a done deal IMHO.
We have two people siding with war on this one because they have personal stakes in this or large egos. These two have had friends and/job in this and their reputations to uphold. Financed by taxpayers of course when the money should have been used on healthcare or education etc.
Tiger talked about the conservative take on this. I believe the liberals got us in on NATO obligations and US blackmail because few countries wouldn’t back them on Iraq. Funny his family members were allowed to leave the US after 911. A country who had a counter-revolutionary that was financed to oppose the Russians and went rogue ie: Bin Laden like many dictators and counter revolutionaries in the past that they supported (Noriega, or Saddam etc.) I believe very little of this prima fascia media or drill sergeants to motivate the troops. They had one bombing on the towers a year or so before and the building came down with a plasma explosive to bring them down vertically. The Mossad tipped off a few before the attack farther (like 400 didn’t show up.)
Clearly Bush and Harper are standing firm as they’re serving someone. Bush is vetoing congress and ignoring the population. And Harper is ignoring committing to a 2009 deadline ignoring other parties in Ottawa or public views on the war.
Tiger I know about the Treaty of Versailles (impossible demands on Germans) and the German setup to create the monster that was Hitler. I know Hitler’s background and his inner circle. I know about the power shift from Europe to NA. Why did Europe allow the Germans to rebuild their army? I know about the Pearl Harbor setup to. I know about the Breton-Woods agreement and Yalta as well.
Good people again are serving sick greedy people that want the poor or confused to police and die for them again plain and simple in another battle.
Peace,
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Posted: 4/25/2007 7:44:32 PM | Karma
What an uneducated steaming pile.
The only reason Hitler rose to power was because after the allies removed the Kaiser, Germany was left destabilized and leaderless. If you smash the existing power of a nation you'd better stick around and ensure the appointment of a stable government, or oyu're asking for even bigger trouble down the road.
That's what Russians' slogans were when the entered Afghanistan long time ago "liberating Afghans" and look what they did to it after decades of war and now it is the American's turn.
Sweet
America was the country that was "officially attacked",
Let's not talk about where the proof of that is at all.
but we lost Canadians on September 11 as well. Official releases from the Taliban have pointed at Canada as a terrorist target. Should we sit back and wait for them to drop a bomb on Parliment Hill? Or wait until they blow up Niagara Falls?
You call it "official" as if you were handed over those proofs by the Taliban themselves. Anyone could say something. Got any proof that it was from the official Taliban, hand-written and sealed? Don't believe so.
I will tell you from friends/soldiers that I've spoken to, they beleive they are making a difference. I'm currently putting together a care package to send out to a friends Unit that are stationed in Afghanistan, they tell me about how they encounter children and people everyday and how they thank them. Weeping and hugging them for all they have done. You don't see that on the news. I, and others are currently trying to get 1000 soccer balls to send over so the soldiers can give them to the Afghany children (the soldiers btw are the ones that have been requesting them) But of course you don't see that on the news. They are currently rebuilding some buildings that were blown up in attacks, but of course....you don't see that on the news.
Ummmmmmmmm. How come they aren't shown in the news then if it is good news and we are supposed to hear it?
I don't see it that way. Do you feel that WWII was trampling on peoples cultures?
WWII has nothing to do with Afghanistan. Afghans never attacked Canada at all. Infact, there is not a single Afghan who even participated in any of the September 11 attacks in the US at all. So attacking Afghanistan is totally pointless.
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Posted: 4/25/2007 7:59:09 PM |
You call it "official" as if you were handed over those proofs by the Taliban themselves. Anyone could say something. Got any proof that it was from the official Taliban, hand-written and sealed? Don't believe so.
Fair enough, but by your assertation that "anyone can say anything" (which I'm not arguing btw) so can the media..and you seem to be one that plays right into the medias coverage as well. The media can choose to report positive things, or negative things..guess what generally pays the bills? The negative. Why do you think tabloids sell so well?
WWII has nothing to do with Afghanistan. Afghans never attacked Canada at all. Infact, there is not a single Afghan who even participated in any of the September 11 attacks in the US at all. So attacking Afghanistan is totally pointless.
You are right, one has nothing to do with the other..I brought it up to make a point. Germany did nothing to Canada, yet we still "stuck our noses in". So again by your assertation of "they did nothing to us", we should have let Nazi Germany go on as it was.
Ummmmmmmmm. How come they aren't shown in the news then if it is good news and we are supposed to hear it?
Did you read my above in regards to the VA shootings. Same thing. Gore, gossip, blood, violence sells..nothing more, nothing less. A car explodes on the side of the road and an innocent bystander comes to the rescue, who gets more media attention? The hero? Or the car that's engulfed in flames at the side of the rd? It's media..we are entranced with stupid things like that, the dam car gets more attention.
I've already stated I'm against the war, so I'm not sure why people are assuming I'm for it. Guess they can't read, eh? The only thing I've ever said is how can you not be supportive of people who are risking their lives to do what they enlisted to do? And those here that say they were MP's before, I dont understand why YOU can't understand that when you enlist, you sign your rights away, and you don't get to choose which battle you want to participate in. You go where you are sent. That's it. There are men and women right now deployed that are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq that OPPOSE this war., they HATE being there, they would rather be home with their famillies or bombing the hell out of the white house I'm sure. But they signed a piece of paper at some point and they enlisted. And like the TRUE men and women they are, they are over there fighting upholding their end of the bargain. That's it. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2007 9:04:02 AM | | I think the Canadian Military has become a shell of its former self. One of the biggest domestic concerns that should be adressed is how can the military exert our soveriengty over the Arctic Island and Northwest Passage. Without having the ability to show we exercise control over the region we could end up in bitter disputes over land and sea. Not just with the Americans, but others too. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2007 10:16:03 AM |
We have two people siding with war on this one because they have personal stakes in this or large egos. These two have had friends and/job in this and their reputations to uphold. Financed by taxpayers of course when the money should have been used on healthcare or education etc.
I received two engineering degrees through the military, and not onlysaved civilians from the harm of war in Bosnia but saved Winnipeggers during the red river floods. But to you, the only possible motive I could have to say Canada's military does good works is 'ego', and the money is better spent elsewhere huh? Pull your head out of your ass.
Your comments are nothing more than oversimplifications or plain ignorant drivel. Facts are, you have no idea what it is a Canadian troop does as part of his or her job description. You seem to blend CBC reports and American war movies together in your mind and conclude that anyone who supports the military supports some unspecified thing called "war" - nevermind that you're talking to people who have been there, done that, and are speaking from experience. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2007 2:31:50 AM | Karma
I was going to leave this thread alone but school yard like banter dragged me back in. Read some Chomsky or Gore Vidal.
We’re resorting to name calling now? Is this what tax dollars buy with some in the military?
And who invaded who? Did Afghanis come here destroy a bunch of stuff and will probably leave like the others without rebuilding or find work for the people there?
My points on WWII etc are that these and other battles were calculated and setup for specific reasons. Not the German’s just invading the Czechoslovakia or Poland and starting the war. The information goes beyond what most people hear on TV. The people that are really running the show and sending troops etc have been doing this for awhile.
Play the credibility card. The Afghanistan fight was a NATO/US dictate or blackmail session that liberals caved to even though popular opinion was against it and they said they wouldn’t go in.
I prefer the CBC, a good Canadian news media organization, to Fox News.
The stuff I’ve written has been more in criticism of our politicians, these same politicians that don’t serve and start the conflicts and need backup. If Harper had any guts or brains he would have sided with his people or world opinion in the UN and let Bush et al fight in Iraq.
Later,
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Posted: 4/27/2007 5:08:52 AM | I've read Chomsky.
As to Afghanistan, they provided land for the Taliban to train. The Taliban, BTW, is a Pakistani organization that took over Afghanistan after the Soviets left. We went in, removed their terrorist-friendly regime, and helped Afghanis put in an Afghani government.
But you'd rather spin "all military is evil" crap and not pay attention to facts - while conveniently ignoring, as you spin your fairytales about the Canadian Forces, that you're talking to people who have served in or are serving in those very uniforms you choose to spit on. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2007 5:12:08 AM | ^since I can't edit, I'll add: your analogies to Czech and Poland are inflamatory and deeply flawed. Canada left the Taliban alone until the organization they backed attacked one of our allies, killing thousands. So your 'point' is pointless.
And why would you presume that because I'm actually aware of what Canada's military does, instead of posting ultraleftist propeganda as you seem fond of, that I must then somehow be a FOx news watching Bush supporter? Another gross oversimplification on your part. The world is far more complex than you seem capable of conprehending. | |
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