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Posted: 4/27/2007 5:44:48 AM | "The Taliban, BTW, is a Pakistani organization that took over Afghanistan after the Soviets left."
your getting warm... your Karma is about to bite you on the backside... who was behind the Pakistani? your house of cards is about to fall... that is, if you dare to look...
first denial, then blame, then admitting it like you knew it all along...
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Posted: 4/27/2007 6:36:18 AM | For whatever anyone believes about what you've been told about the Taliban and for whatever they actually are, one thing can't be denied: They had the opium trade beaten back to small levels.
If anyone thinks we are in a third world, dirt poor country namely afganistan, other than operating as a security force for an obviously strategic military and oil transport region, they have been brainwashed. We should leave them poor bactards alone so they get on with their lives.
Oh, by the way, if anyone believes the events of five and a half years ago happened the way they were portrayed on the idiot box, take another toke off the naive pipe!!
'Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me!' | |
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Posted: 4/27/2007 9:22:43 PM | My 'house of cards' eh? Implies having been there, served in the CF, have family living in the middle east, etc. is a 'house of cards' compared to armchair commentators who invoke the names of American journalists as though books on American hedgemony somehow have anything to do with the Canadian Military.
You wanna talk house of cards? Some of you aren't even playing with a full deck. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2007 9:25:55 PM |
If anyone thinks we are in a third world, dirt poor country namely afganistan, other than operating as a security force for an obviously strategic military and oil transport region, they have been brainwashed. We should leave them poor bactards alone so they get on with their lives.
...which is exactly what we're doing. You think 'their lives' included Pakistani extremists running their country, outlawing half their culture in the name of extreme fundamentalist islam, denying females education or basic rights, etc? We removed an occupying force and are sticking around to maintain order while their home-grown government gets back on its feet - and you guys are acting like Canadians, not the Taliban, are the bad guys. Give me a break. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2007 5:27:37 AM | Why do you feel that being there some how gives you exclusive insights into the truth about why we are there that the rest of us cannot see?
Perhaps is your own bias that is not allowing you to see the truth? You need to find only the information that justifies your actions and call any one who disagrees with you names and that somehow disqualifies their opinion .
How many times does Honourable Minster of Defence and Propaganda Gordon "Hill & Knowlton" O'Connor have to lie before you stop believing him?
Or like bison33 are you going to leave it in France? “though I remember a nurse said how Iraqi soldiers were killing babies and the such. She was in France ,I think, for the whole time this was allegedly going on.” Leave it in France, don’t question it any further…
Who produced those videos and distributed them on American News stations in through universities and churches? Do you think they didn’t show them to the troops so the troops would know the real reason for the invasion and only the rest of us would be kept in the dark? Who has infiltrated and high jacked the Canadian government and turned into a branch of the military industrial complex? How many people involved in the Canadian government have worked for or are working for Hill & Knowlton and support Harper?
Who funds the Pakistani ISI?
For years the CIA used the ISI as a conduit to pump billions of dollars into militant Islamist groups in Afghanistan, both before and after the Soviet invasion of 1979. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html) (there are many other sources)
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Msg: 107 | |
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Posted: 4/28/2007 7:03:46 AM | Make up your mind - are we destroying the crops or allowing them to grow?
My bad, I can't keep up with all the changes.....at first the Americans were
destroying the poppies claiming they were funding the terrorists but RECENTLY
they did a 180 turn around - apparently the farmers were siding with the
terrorists for their livelyhood. Hard to keep up sometimes but this
turn around just happend recently.
Bottom line is: the drugs are still funding the terrorists - it wouldn't happen if
they legalized. It's double talk on the part of the administration.
24 April 2007, 17:32 GMT 18:32 UK
Nato criticised for Afghan advert
By Alastair Leithead
BBC News, Kabul
Poppy production is an important income source for many farmers
Nato forces in Afghanistan have been criticised for paid adverts on a radio station implying it is acceptable for farmers to grow opium poppies.
The crop, which is the raw material of heroin, is expected to be grown at record levels again this year.
Criticism over the adverts came from both the UN and the Afghan government.
The UN last month said that although production of opium poppies had fallen in the north and centre, a sharp rise was likely in the lawless south.
'Major priority'
The controversial announcement, paid for by Nato forces, appeared on a local radio station in Helmand province.
Nato says it has no responsibility for poppy eradication
It told farmers growing opium poppies that their fields would not be destroyed by Nato or the Afghan National Army.
It appeared to imply that it was alright to grow the illegal crop.
The advertisement said troops from the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) understood that most Afghan people had no other source of income and troops are there not to eradicate opium poppies but to bring security and kill foreign militants.
The majority of heroin in Europe comes from Afghanistan and reducing opium poppy production is a major priority for the Afghan government and the international community.
But the military has distanced itself from eradication efforts as angry farmers who have lost their livelihoods would be more likely to join the Taleban insurgency.
The UN Office on Drugs and Crime representative in Kabul, Christina Oguz, said that such a policy was sending mixed messages to farmers
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"Isn't it a kind of a dubious message? There is this very strong link between insurgents and drug traffickers," she said.
"I'm afraid that the farmers can be confused at that and believe that everybody's leading the drugs side which is not a good message."
The Afghan government said it had not been aware of the advertisement, but Nato had apologised for putting it on a local radio station.
But an Isaf spokesman said it was not a new policy, as the force is in Afghanistan to provide security.
He said that issues relating to poppies are the responsibility of the Afghan government. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2007 8:21:45 AM | It is indeed a great team and an excellent experience and definitely MUST be tried at least once in a life time as you get to spend pretty much the best time of your life, do the collest stuff EVER and fully benefit from your taxes.
HOWEVER, army is incompatible with lawschool and hardcore studies, so I had to quit most unfortunately, but it was great all the same. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2007 11:18:13 AM | Wow
Small world.
Yesterday I just fared a group from the airport to their daughter's home. Heck I fared coast guard, UN people in the past as well...
They just came back from Ottawa. After memorials and eulogies (sp?) etc. I think their son was killed last fall in Afghanistan (they come from a small town not far from Sarnia.) I'm been purposefully vague.
Later,
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Msg: 110 | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 12:15:21 AM |
WWII has nothing to do with Afghanistan. Afghans never attacked Canada at all. Infact, there is not a single Afghan who even participated in any of the September 11 attacks in the US at all. So attacking Afghanistan is totally pointless.
You actually believe this don't you passionteman
If you don't yet know who was responsible for the 911 attacks then there's no point in anybody explaining it to you now.
Have you ever heard of an organization called NATO ?
You know....the North Atlantic Treaty Organization which all it's members are committed to defending each other if one is attacked.
Unlike the U.N. this international organization united in it's decisions and effective in it's response.
Did you know that Canada is a member.
So is the United States, and most of Europe.
When the U.S. was attacked on 911 this triggered an automatic NATO response which would explain why there are German, Dutch, Polish, Italian, British, American, Canadian and other troops in Afganistan.
Unfortunatetly George Bush in his infinite wisdom diverted almost all of America's resources from a legitamate action against terrorism in Afganistan to his adventure in Iraq.
It's amazing how many still get these two seperate wars confused, including here in this thread.
And as usual with almost all wars involving NATO it's American, British and Canadian troops that do most of the fighting, and unfortunately......dying.
And I'm very proud of our Canadian Soldiers and that reputation they have earned with our allies ...... and our enemies.
You know, we all complained when in past years our armed forces were ignored and poorly supported by the government, and now ironicaly some of you are complaining now that they are getting much better support and attention from the new goverment.
Better support does mean spending more money and buying new weapon systems for our troops and most of that will come from The U.S. and Europe.
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Posted: 5/1/2007 3:41:49 AM | Dear LSD
I know the difference. Doh, I think most people know what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan AND THEY'RE SEPARATE APPARENTLY. Not unless you're talking mercenary gangs to keep the war in the middle east going and the odd dissident of the day at bay?!? How stupid do you think everyone is? Tiger never talked about plasma explosives on the twin towers which could never come down perfectly vertically without a kick-butt explosive. Amazing what tax dollars buy. He never farther got into the real treaties of WWII. He never got into the Mossad tip-off farther. Just blind patriotism at tax payers expense and that meek servitude that most politicians peddle. What about the pentagon quick clean up. Or the Kennedy assassination? All ignored. Sick.
The BS and shallow media sways most of the herd. Wait until all will be revealed!
I'm trying not to be some**** conspiratist nut bar here. I want people to see the whole deal and and see the bigger picture to save lives and end this endless battle. Bottom line that again the NWO/new secular order on the dollar bill is old and it's killing good people and and it's old an boring and evil really...
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Posted: 5/3/2007 3:53:54 PM |
You actually believe this don't you passionteman
If you don't yet know who was responsible for the 911 attacks then there's no point in anybody explaining it to you now.
That's what you believe based on watching Fox and CNN. Everyone doesn't go with that bs.
Have you ever heard of an organization called NATO ?
You know....the North Atlantic Treaty Organization which all it's members are committed to defending each other if one is attacked
Yes. I do know that, but their getting involved is totally illegitimate since there is no proper evidence .
When the U.S. was attacked on 911 this triggered an automatic NATO response which would explain why there are German, Dutch, Polish, Italian, British, American, Canadian and other troops in Afganistan.
hahaha. US was attacked!!!. lol. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2007 6:38:59 PM | We have two people siding with war on this one because they have personal stakes in this or large egos. These two have had friends and/job in this and their reputations to uphold. Financed by taxpayers of course when the money should have been used on healthcare or education etc.
First and foremost yes I do have friends that are in the Military who are fighting currently in Afghanistan and Iraq, and I also know of a few that have died there as well. But the only thing I've ever stated is that it's sad that anyone would say "I don't support someone who is laying their life on the line everyday", especially when most of these soldiers don't want to be there, and alot don't agree with the reason they are there, but they have no choice because they signed up to defend our countries.
At the end of the day, I didn't vote Harper into office (I voted Liberal), but even if I had..I wouldn't have been the only one. The majority of Canadians thought he was the man for the job and the Canadian Military being deployed where they are is a direct result of that. Same as the American Military. So why punish the troops, or not support the troops because of the actions of literally one man? Only a completely heartless person could say they don't support the troops, since they are only doing what they enlisted to do..which at the end of the day is: Listen to the Government.
I received two engineering degrees through the military, and not onlysaved civilians from the harm of war in Bosnia but saved Winnipeggers during the red river floods. But to you, the only possible motive I could have to say Canada's military does good works is 'ego', and the money is better spent elsewhere huh? Pull your head out of your ass.
Your comments are nothing more than oversimplifications or plain ignorant drivel. Facts are, you have no idea what it is a Canadian troop does as part of his or her job description. You seem to blend CBC reports and American war movies together in your mind and conclude that anyone who supports the military supports some unspecified thing called "war" - nevermind that you're talking to people who have been there, done that, and are speaking from experience.
Well said karma, well said.
When the U.S. was attacked on 911 this triggered an automatic NATO response which would explain why there are German, Dutch, Polish, Italian, British, American, Canadian and other troops in Afganistan.
Very true. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2007 4:42:04 AM | Old alliances appear still running the show. With a touch of economic blackmail?!?
There is little support farther for helping widowed parents etc. Yeah sure they can buy or rent more toys that kill of course.
Veto power with the five in the UN is representive and fair despite GLOBAL opposition?
The government is a hypocritical mess. I could go on here again.
Now Canada has a Gitmo mess. With the odd bully overdoing it. What about the Arar case!
I feel for the foot soldiers and I've talked about what's really going on. We have a voluntary military exporting flawed or declining commie like now (phone taps, internet tracking etc massive debt economies) democracy telling Afghanistan what to do?!? Rigged elections on the US and media on the fly bi-partisan tripe!
People are still dying because of patient wait times, and post secondary funding stinks!
Get a grip and drink some coffee,
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Posted: 5/7/2007 5:22:37 PM | I'll be the first to say our Government has it's nose so far up Bush's ass that it isn't funny. When the liberals were in office, Martin took a stance saying that Canada will not get involved. I was happy, so were others. But the fact is, offices in goverment change and with the change, larger changes are inevitable. With this goverment change, we went to war. The people spoke, the people voted and this is a result of the majority of votes.
Are you even aware that is was Martin's Liberals who originally committed Canada to this mission, all aspects of it, including combat?
All Harper's government is doing is fighting to keep the mission alive, that Martin committed us to. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2007 5:28:20 PM | | Martin was against getting involved with the Iraq war, not the Afghan mission. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2007 8:20:26 AM |
Then we can become what too many Canadians want us to be -- an ineffective, self-righteous, boring scold, forever lecturing from the sidelines at enemies who will laugh at us and ignore us because, having taken our measure, they've found us wanting.
I remember reading this editorial in the Toronto Sun the day it was printed.
I thought this part of that editorial was especially bang on.
Under 12 years of Liberal rule thats exactly what this country was becoming on the world stage. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 9:40:17 AM | Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? 
I come from a Canadian Military Family that served in both wars, Korea, and up to the present day, and I find your synopsis rather weak. The Canadian military is NOT nor has it ever been another arm or the American Military.
Furthermore our fighting men and women are generally trained to a level that would be considered Rangers in the the US military. In short even our lowest Private is a professional, and is capable of working two ranks above his or her own.
Partisan politics aside these dedicated men and women deserve our respect, and support.
They are giving no less then 110%, and so should we to them.
Cheers!
B. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 9:48:27 AM | Canadian Military? You mean they still consider a 50,000+ force a military? LOL
There are most policemen in NY than there are soldiers in Canada. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2007 12:59:06 AM | I haven't read all these 5 pages of stuff ... however, i know that the Canadian Military is Awesome!
They are doing great things in Kandahar, Afghanistan.
God Bless them All for all they do. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2007 2:27:24 PM | I always chuckle at anti-military thinking (kinda like saying "let's get rid of firefighters, and there'll be no more fires" ... sheeyah, right ...) - and then, we have the conspiracy theories ... hmmm ... hope they never find out we actually kept all those U-boats running, and we've got underground canals to Roswell ... but ... I digress ...
And so ... where does that leave us?
As said elsewhere - Yup - I'm sick and tired of intolerance and hatred, whether racial or religious. Undoubtably, the root of all evil is ignorance (and lack of education) - once you learn more about others, they cease to be strangers/infidels/heathens ...
Unfortunately, some hatred runs so deep that it consumes the individual ... with the result that they can not be "cured" by rational, logic, reason or persuasion ...
Thus, as much as people bemoan the fact that there is too much hatred and violence in the world around us, I'm absolutely convinced that "turning the other cheek" only presents a soft target for those rabid few who misinterpret "live and let live" as a sign of weakness ...
Sum up? With all due respect, I'm afraid I've completely run out of time, patience and tolerance to put up with gutless, whinging armchair critics who betray the very men who die defending freedom.
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
-- Teddy; "Citizenship in a Republic", Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
"Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality that guarantees all others"
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Posted: 7/14/2007 10:42:30 PM | Very well said macgregrrrr...
Thank you ... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2007 1:59:26 PM | Lets get a little reality in this. It was two people involved out of over 500. The effect of the drug mefloquine had a big effect in what happened. Did you hear about the schools and hospitals that were built there? Did you hear about the constant theiving? As an soldier when this happened I was more upset by the government giving unapproved drugs to soldiers to see if they work, politicians beating their chests at being caught giving orders to cover it up (no it was not just some of the top officers covering it up) and civies that give lip service when someone dies but are the first to say hang them when someone breaks the image of what we are. Soldiers are drawn from society and therefore reflect society. Try reading Kipplings poem "Tommy" that is how society treats soldiers.
As for the Airborne being honourable I know alot of ex members of the airborne both dead and alife. I would trust my life and my families lifes to them anyday. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 12:25:26 AM | 6july
As for the Airborne being honourable I know alot of ex members of the airborne both dead and alife. I would trust my life and my families lifes to them anyday.
Well now you know one more, at least on the internet. I thank you for being realistic.
sunwindnstars
These guys are your take on Rangers.
No, not at all. Our Rangers are or, were when I was in Pathfinders within the Airborne Regiment. While smaller in size and only ran the course once a year, the standards were the same as a Ranger course but, focused more on Recce and LZ/DZ ops than search and destroy. Prerequisites for the course were being a member of certain trades such as sigs, infantry, artillery, medical and then being AB qualified as well as recommended for the course. Pass rates were about ten out of sixty with two members being selected every year to attend a Ranger course in the states and frequently taking course awards. One year, a Sergeant (Brown) won all the awards which was the first time in the history of Rnager School that had happened.
However, JTF, which is what your link is about, is far removed from the average soldier and Ranger in that they don't day to day, live in mud and water and put up with the BS that a military grunt has to. However, they are good and are among the best in the world at what they do which is kill people in fast moving high profile situations, snatch and grab, and protection of dignitaries.
sunwindnstars
I'm all for Canada but lets not start throwing absolute nonsense around.
Exactly. Heard one of our ferverent idiots say that one of ours was worth seven of yours. I thought that seeing as how one of yours was worth ten of theirs how I would feel, trained as I was facing seventy armed guys all by myself with a CDN version of the M16, 120 rounds of 5.56 and a pistol and a sawed off Lakefield pump with full chamber. Not too robust to say the least.
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