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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 7/31/2007 9:55:48 AM | Post #251 said:
women who "mis"use their sexuality and depend on that alone to entice a man are just as guilty as the writer of this post...exploitation in any form isnt right and cant be justified in my opinion...when you strip away all the layers of deception and games that men and women play with each other, underneath it all isnt there just confusion and misconceptions re both the sexes...arent we just breeding more and more ignorance by this behaviour and shouldnt we instead be endeavouring to learn and understand each other better without all these b***s***t assumtions...
An honest woman as many can see who doesn't mince words and cuts straight to the truth! 
Like the friday night a gal gave me her number, I called a couple of days later, she asked me to call back at a certain time. I did with no answer; maybe a tradgedy happened who knows. But do you know how many girls think a man meeting a woman is stupid enough to call from his home phone the first time? Or the game of find out his name where we can research his total worth and record, like the police departments in this country are ethical and will give one the absolute facts, espeacially Nevada and California? 
You are right in that most Americans have seen the dysfunctional familys that were their neighbors or friends, and maybe they are honest enough to admit to their own 'nightmares at home' in the family scene. The problem is as you have said, from a Judeo-Christian standpoint, *If* one has studied the Bible, many are just playing games and not playing by the rules that are centurys old. 
Girls know or suspect that many of the fathers and brothers are from a Biblical standpoint, just studing everyone they can and whoring around is considered normal by these deviant mindsets. Of course a male can't do that without a female who even if she acts like she is a pure gal, her motive is to be conquested that weekend by a few of the ;Cassanova's in town. It becomes a vicious cycle and a 'trap' as she lured him in, later wants marriage, an expensive house, or she allows herself to get pregnant where she hopes he will marry her.
Then along comes too many babys, the expenses of taking care of the family by the male gets to be an 'incarceration for many', his deceptive wife has cut him down to sex once a week, he is out there 'whoring around' and possibly will bring home a veneral desease or complicate matters worse by creating another child or a woman who is both the victim and the criminal victimizer(partner in crime) in a twisted frame of mind and spirit!
All because two people failed to *Think* about the consequences of their inappropriate actions. They sat in Church, looked good in the community standing, and were doing the wicked sins as they had illigetimized their understanding of the scriptures by saying "God will forgive me, I'm only human"; taking little responsibility that there is a reason why God has arranged for the 66 documents that were cannonized to even be in existence. Oh, yes, people are better at lying to themselves than each other, but is their something greater than they that will administrate justice for their own developement; and I don't mean from mankind's courts?
and amoured knight...maybe you should move to australia hehe...but you will find that our divorce statistics are also50%...we are fighting a similar battle of the sexes here as you are in the U.S.
I'm sorry to hear that sister in Christ, but I think our dysfunctional marriages are closer to the 70% mark. What can you expect in my nation that has the audacity to claim 'In God We trust', therefore we have brothels in Nevada(Legal under Man and Woman's corruption), University professors in class asking boys to attend vaginal worship services at the temples called brothels when they turn 21! Advertisement in the paper and university newspaper for girls to apply at brothels and toppless clubs. Non-Heterosexual oreinted courses at universitys and teachers wearing too short of skirts and using vivid sexual literature in class to stimulate interest in the students. Yep, my countryman are within an 'insane asylum' and they are so twisted they think they are normal!  | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 7/31/2007 1:16:15 PM | Oh yeah, I admit I dress to entice a man I am interested in, it is part of the dance, I love it!!! I will make him wonder when he will get my clothes off but you know what ... idiot ... I have the power and no man will get anything from any woman if she doesn't feel like giving it.
Unless of course you are a rapist then you better watch out because more and more of us are packing. I wouln't hesitate to take care of that situation either.
Sorry, But I get so sick of men thinking they have the world in the palm of their hands.
Oh, hell no they don't GIRLS WE DO.
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 8/1/2007 9:17:01 AM | I must be the odd ball here. When I go on a date, it's casual and I wear jeans and a nice shirt. NO cleavage, my jeans are not so tight that you can read my lips, literally.
I wear little makeup because I am not really a big makeup girl and I prefer to look more natural. I wear little or no jewelry and my hair is short and casual.
Now, if a guy can see me for me, without wondering how far he can look into my blouse (because I never gave that opportunity) or wondering how he can look up my skirt (also, no opportunity) I think it changes the dynamic. I don't put my goods out to be ogled if I want someone to take me seriously. If we hit it off and we see each other a few more times, and I am comfortable with him and want to look sexy for him, I will, still no major cleavage, no short skirts. I prefer to come off more classy than sexy in appearance because for me and I think for real, true, sexuality comes from within.
You project sexiness from within, even wearing jeans and a tshirt. If you have to wear a dress that is cut down to your naval, or a skirt that comes up to your crotch, you are just looking for a guy who will want you for that and that alone.
If you are confident in yourself, if you like yourself, if you comfortable with your sexuality, all of that shows through no matter what you wear.
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 8/1/2007 11:54:55 AM | BRAVOOOOOO enjoyslife!! Well put! I couldn't have said it better myself. As the saying goes - why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.
If a woman has to 'advertise' her assets, perhaps one needs to rethink and ask themselves - is that all she's got going for her? Oh! and don't forget, same holds true for men.
Working in an environment where the majority are males, quite often during coffee or lunch break, these types of discussions are held. Interestingly enough, while they will all agree that they will quickly turn to stare at a 'fine piece' walking down the street, these are not necessarily the kinds of women they'll take seriously enough to venture into a long term relationship with. Most commented that if a woman has to expose her 'goods', she either lacks confidence in herself as a woman; lacks in brain matter so can only catch a man by using her physical attributes; or she's just plain cheap and obviously doesn't have much respect for herself. The average age of these guys is anywhere from early 20s up to late 40s and a mix of married and single.
Just thought I'd share this with you. It's not meant to become a debate. It is merely an observation in talking with a wide age spread of men and their thoughts on this subject. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 8/1/2007 12:38:21 PM | Cindy,
Your just as wrong as any man who feels that way! If it's all in the spirit of competition well.....To the victor go the spoils! If you hold that attitude you fail to recognize what a true relationship is and you contribute to all the b.s. that is! We ALL of the power to control some of our destiny and we are equals.....maybe we see things different at times,but I have to hold out hope that deep down we all at some point want the same things out of life.
Men aren't the only ones guilty of poor behaviour,women have there ways too! If you think your sexuallity is any more important than mine.....consult your local plumber!Fittings are labeled male and female for a reason....One can't work w/out the other!
peace.....Bosoxx | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 8/1/2007 4:37:55 PM | | Wow. Are you serious? After the little paragraph that you wrote you finish it with WOMEN don't seem to get it? If you really understand the dynamic of each part how can you not see how shallow the male side of this scenario is? I have been pretty fortunate not to deal with many men who had this focus so I know they are not all like this. Well I'm sure this was one of their focuses but not as high on the list as some deeper pursuits; no pun intended. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 8/1/2007 10:48:35 PM | i think if a woman chooses to dress sexy and accentuate her femininity and if a man chooses to undress a woman with his eyes, thats human nature and usually the first initiation of the mating ritual...we are all physical and sexual beings...but what i disagree with is that people abuse this so called "power" and exploit others with it and often times its all pre-meditated...with hurtful consequences!
thanks amoured knight ...ive read all your contributions to this thread and i do admire your depth and analytical mind...i agree with you that the world has gone mad, at the same time i still have hope (perhaps naive) lol! but these gender games only create bitterness...and im sorry the lady in your story treated you that way...often times in the past whenever i was treated unfairly by a male, after working through all the pain and confusion...i just came to the conclusion that it was his insecurities and ignorance that triggered his behaviour...and he was the victim of his own games...not me....the focus was no longer on me internalizing negative energy created by someone else, but instead seeing the truth in myself and feeling proud that i knew better than to continue to be his enabler...another bonus...i could sleep at night | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 8/7/2007 10:17:00 AM | you go girl lol what is up with the culture of america, the world with its predisposition of sex in culture, you would be surprised to realize in certain cultures the women are in charge, what are we basing all of the oppresion on? men through the centuries of time living in fear that somehow someway something will be taken from them? what is the threat?  | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 2:02:51 PM | "SingleWriter", if she dresses to impress that means she, also is looking for what you (or "he", as you say) are looking for.
Everyone wants it to be special, not just women. But you're making it sound like men are horrible and women are victims. Both he, and she get it alright. They might not be allways in tune. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 2:40:50 PM | | Perhaps it's what men don't get...wouldn't you say? There is something to be said for easing into things. Prolonged foreplay if you will. Not teasing, but a process many women need to be better than he he could ever imagine when the time comes. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 3:17:52 PM |
Until we stop placing these values (of expectation---"I do this for you, you do this for me") on our vaginas and start making love simply because we wanna make love, without expectation, this craziness will continue.
I think the whole world would be a MUCH better place if women would just come to accept that it is okay to make love just because you want to. But of course they can't come out and say that in our current culture as their friends will brand then "slut" as their way of keeping anyone else from getting laid more than they are. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 4:43:42 PM | Most men honest and sincere? Where you from gal....MD, omg...lmao...not the guys I know from there! but then I don't know them all either, lol. Just pokin some fun at ya, but seriously OP...not everyone thinks that way. If I dress nice, it's to feel good about myself, I no longer do it for a guy's approval...learned to quit that while still in the early years of my last disfunctional marriage. whitestarmama is right that you aren't giving men or women enough credit. And prettylittleprincess is right, it's no wonder women doubt any man's intentions when it's things like you posted that we come in contact with the most often. I agree with her as well that not all women are capable of meaningless sex, cuz I'm one of them! If a man asks me out, he isn't ENTITLED to anything more than my company if I agree to accompany him.
It all comes down to people need to start being "themselves" more and worrying about trying to impress people less. Ya, its incredible when a women dresses up and looks sexy for her man, and the same when a man dresses up well for his lady... but if you can't just relax and be yourselves around eachother.. everything else is just smoke and mirrors.
Thank you Windu, well said!!!!
crazeegyrl...lmao....tooooo danged funny!
And while somewhere near the subject here, I have a question for guys like you OP...Maybe I'm the only one still wondering this, or maybe I'm just naive as to it's answer, but what in holy hellfire is the deal with guys thinkin they are soooooo wonderful in the sack anyway? One poster spoke of rockin' someone's world, and I had to laugh. Maybe he could, but I have yet to experience any man who can do that...and he mentioned as well that he wondered if some women had the potential to be worthy of such...puleeeez! Not knockin' his post, because I know the context he was speaking from...but since YOU seem to have lumped everyone into groups that think the same, maybe you can tell me how ya'll came to be such "hot rods"? Was it all that youthful experimentation you did, learning to decieve women into sleeping with ya that made you such prizes in the sack (std's included), or did ya get a "how to " book on it, skim it like most guys do instruction manuals, and just claim "I can do it"? And where do guys get off EXPECTING...not hoping, EXPECTING all women to hit the sack acting like their favorite porn star? No, I don't think ALL men think that way, it's just that in your post you come across as if you think all men have the same views you do, and since I've run into so many with this mindset, just thought you might could enlighten us a lil' bit here.
I honestly have dated guys who DIDN'T get sexual with me ever...and I didn't take it that they weren't into me in that respect, I just took it they RESPECTED me enough to not make it the main reason they were with me. I know I come from a different area than most here, and that expectations aren't the same as maybe they are other places for SOME of us...still, I haven't EVER dropped a guy...much less for not showing sexual interest...that is just absurd to me. Maybe I was just born in a time warp or something, but some of us really DO have traditional values we've always lived by...or maybe it's just a few of us older gals. It just irks me that in so many instances women are thought to be so gullible when it comes to a guy trying to get laid, or we're seen to only BE a modern woman if we freely lay any guy that comes by in order to prove we are no different than guys are...wtf? Sorry, I ain't dumb enough to not know when a guy only wants some, and I have enough self respect to not lay every guy I go out with just because I could. Believe it or not, there ARE men who say they also feel that way, antiquated or not.
LMAO 777 777! Toooo danged funny! and Ooli oop, I bout fell outa my chair reading yours, lol.
wwwwhatever...omg...I thought the OP was "out there" but this.....geez! what world do you LIVE in?
Yep! there's a reason why women post:
"Not looking for intimate encounter" or "One night stands."
Reason: They've had plenty. Looking for a one night stand guys? Write one who claims she doesn't want one, then see if she doesn't tell her friends that you're too "clingy" the instant you express any interest past sex.
I don't know what kinda gals you've met, but I can tell ya right now I'm not looking for those things and never have had 'em either! And I don't discuss things like that with gal pals either since most my pals are guys, lol...Lord have mercy what happened to make you so cynical? And who in Hell is Cosmo? You base your info on some rag of a magazine? geez! Honestly hon, all women ....maybe very few actually...are like that!
I'm stoppin here, danged if I haven't laughed so hard, I can't even finish reading the posts! | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 5:23:39 PM | | Msg 268, I think ya missed the point hon...no one said anything about making love here...the poster, as I took it and the other posts I read, were talking about hook ups, plain old gettin laid. And as for WOMEN realizing or admitting it's ok...why does it never occur to anyone that it isn't JUST women, and that it might just have to do with their faith based views? Looking at it from that angle, many times it ISN'T ok to act on sexual urges j u s t becaue one has them! Or is that same old view out there that those that hold sacred beliefs regarding such things are just people with sexual disfunction simply because they chose not to act on it as openly as the rest of the known world? Get a clue, we were all made pretty much the same in that aspect...and the reason we don't jump every stud we could ride and the guys don't jump every filly doesn't mean we AREN'T admitting something, it's because of how we believe, and not even always entirely because of THAT! Many times, it has to do with a variety of things...attraction, beliefs, and consequences...all of which some take seriously. You know, when it comes to the sexes...and sex...everything just ain't so cut and dried with all of us as it is with others. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 5:54:55 PM |
She dresses carefully to attract his attention, and he wonders what she looks like without clothes. She wants to look deep into his eyes, but he's looking down at her chest. She imagines dinner with candles, and he imagines them writhing in bed. She is ruled by her heart, and he is ruled by the vision of two legs spread wide apart. She is honest and sincere, and he puts on an elaborate act. In the end--if he plays his part well--he gets what he's after. And she...well...she hopes this time it will be different. What is it that women don't seem to get? Or are they, too, just playing a part?
What is there to "get" beyond the fact that in the little scenario you described above, ^^^ one person is honest and sincere (your words) and the other one isn't.
This has nothing to do with who sleeps with who, and when, and why not, and whether society will think she's a slut, or whether he/she will think she's a slut, who is entitled to what...yada yada yada ad nauseum!!
This isn't even a man / woman issue...this is about someone LYING to another. Period. End of story. Anything beyond that is a moot point.
Of course I'm sure that there will be "some" people who will come up with many "valid" reason why it's "okay" to lie to someone, or to put it in OP's words, "put on an elaborate act" and "play the part well" when the other person is simply being honest and sincere with them.
But have no fear OP... I can assure you that "some" of us "women" DO "get" it after all ;)
JMHO
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 7:43:20 PM | I think you should read "Mars and Venus on a Date." That way you can convincingly pretend to have manners while taking the time to get to know a woman.
I think most women "get it" which is why they avoid men who act like dating is just going through the motions until they can "get it" as you say. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/15/2007 7:59:35 PM | | LOL... This is the game, my friend. Anyone that says that they don't play OR understand it, is lying. When you look at what the victorian notion of pure-undying love that some harbor as the ideal goal in life, I'm rather amazed that our species has made it this far. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/16/2007 8:12:02 AM | *Echo*
Women do "get it". But I am sure just like a lion doesn't pick the fastest and most fit antelope for his meal, so don't you; you pick from the pool of women who you sense (consciously or subconsciously) will be a relatively easy prey. Those who wouldn't fall for your tricks would let you go after the first date or earlier, and I’m sure they do.
Nice post Echo, Yep, I agree 100% with this opinion. I have noticed more and more that many men, "Think" they are still A Player's Man, getting up there as in the OP's case, still think they can reel in the women, but they have lost their edge. Now can't get the cream of the crop, they only get the dregs of desperation and so no doubt make good matches.
Lonely days and lonely nights is all I can say about them. By the time a man with an opinion such as the OPoster's really does get it, their balls are hanging so low, their age is sure showing and next thing you know they turn in to ...
Those cantankerous old men in the nursing homes still trying to grab a piece of ass. Haha ... Still thinking they are Dream Boats, but their ship sailed years ago.
You might even like it, if you would only grow balls to have enough courage to stick around long enough. Good luck!
Awwww like that will ever happen
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/16/2007 9:19:49 AM | I think women have it.....I think it's that "SOME of the men haven't"...alot of women today know what they want....they go after what THEY want....and I think that men either "get on the right train" and offer their seat to that one woman they notice who is standing up or sit in the caboose "hoping that the train is full and that a female will be forced to sit on the seat next to them....(meaning accepting the pittance of what they have to offer).
Don't underestimate what women know to be true............... | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 12/16/2007 11:22:20 AM | I've read all 11 pages of this thread. Yeah I know, get a life! Actually, I was procrastinating shoveling the snow. 
With all thats been said, I have little to add but one things for sure. We women are well aware of the power thats between our legs. Its made you boys do many a foolish thing. But as we age, were more concerned about the power between yours. Like, is there any? As we've experienced men, our hearts no longer carry the cinderella story. We know what you want and know that your no Prince Charming. And while I'm looking at you through the flickering dinner candles, I'm wondering if you'll be able to keep up with me. Ahhh..... the injustice of our sexual prime. I certainly am not thinking, "oh, could this be my future husband?" Not a chance! I'll keep my heart to myself thank you very much until I'm sure were sexually compatible. | |
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