| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 9:40:12 AM | with the advent of the "new?" bikini...[two band aids and a cork!]....there's no need to worry!
I come equipped with my own cork screw!
the game is over...the ladies are on to us! all we want is sex! Tell them upfront! | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 9:42:06 AM | Once again, I find myself trying to find the motive of the OP. Is it a well written commentary on the constant barrage of forums about this topic? Is it a personal observation derived from some life experience? Or, is it just one more rant from a woman-hating cynic?
My question is if men only want sex, why do they keep getting into committed relationships? There are certainly a plethora of resources without all the challenges of commitment.
IMO, most men and women "get it". They want the same things, caring, respect, dependability, fidelity, and a certain comfort zone. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 10:30:37 AM | Oh, please – here we have yet another "women this - men that " thread. Did it ever occur to you OP that having certain set of genitals doesn't exactly determine how people think and that both men and women might differ a great deal among themselves?
Aside from that, I am not sure, OP what is the real purpose of your post? Are you talking about yourself? If these tactics work for you and you are getting what you want in the end - then good for you; what is there to whine about? What you are doing though, is simply deception, that's why those women "don't get it". They are looking for something what you cannot offer but are pretending that you can.
If I were you I would examine very thoroughly my motivations. Apparently, having or getting sex is not the main issue here. You (or those men you are talking about) must be getting some kind of thrilling satisfaction out of seducing and deceiving. Why is that? If it was only about sex, you could get a call girl and it perhaps would be easier on your pocket, time and effort, not to mention the variety of positions you might be able to perform! So apparently men like you get a thrill out of the hunt.
Sex is never only about sex, it is not strictly about releasing a tension. If that was the case, everybody would just happily masturbate and we wouldn’t have this conversation because we would be extinct as species by now. Even sex addicts want to have sex because, for at least some of them, having sex is the only way they can connect with another human being; for others it is about boosting their egos, or a combination of those two. I am sure there is a bunch of additional other reasons as well. They are very "high" when hunting after certain "prey" and “crush” right away after their hunt is over, because there is no connection in casual sex except a-few-seconds thrill. So to the next prey they go.
Women do "get it". But I am sure just like a lion doesn't pick the fastest and most fit antelope for his meal, so don't you; you pick from the pool of women who you sense (consciously or subconsciously) will be a relatively easy prey. Those who wouldn't fall for your tricks would let you go after the first date or earlier, and I’m sure they do.
Women also understand that a really good sex doesn’t happen during the first week, or a month, or even a year. It might be great, thrilling and frequent, but the quality (and variety and techniques) of it really improves over time, even if the lovers are very compatible right from the start.
Women also understand that in order to get that good sex (and keep it good), the partners have to be able to relate to each other not only on physical level, so women are looking for a connection, that’s why they are trying to see your eyes and relate to you as a person.
Perhaps those women are looking for quality instead of quantity?
The “dressing up” and “seducing”, “looking good” part – sure women play along, it is fun to do, and it does serve the purpose: women are sexual beings as well, you know?
But please do not assume that because she played along, all what she wanted is to get you committed and married ASAP! Many women would not mind a meaningful, long term relationship with a really good sex, but unlike you seem to be thinking, it may take much more than connection and good sex before a woman will decide to wash your dirty socks and nurse you when you have a stomach flue, as it happens in a committed relationship.
However, if two people care about each other for a longer period of time, are able to relate on many levels, including sexuality, then the commitment seems to be just a natural consequence of a successful relationship.
You might even like it, if you would only grow balls to have enough courage to stick around long enough. Good luck!
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Joined: 7/31/2006
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 10:35:30 AM | Sorry, I did not quite get that? Would you mind saying it again.......
Indigo Rose: That was way funny, I almost peed in my pants.
Women and men not"getting"each other, I think it's just an urban legend.
Communications my dear friends, it's called communication. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 10:48:14 AM | | I do believe that this is a post by a man that has probably ended up in a few sticky situations with some of the women that he played too good of a part with. What I would like to know from you OP is what is life like when all you are driven by is your penis? Do women play a part in YOUR deception? Not unless you are telling them upfront that the only thing that you can think about is what is between her legs, and at that point there really isnt any deception to play a part in is there? | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 10:56:51 AM | Amen Funny girl...it is refreshing to see another woman who thinks more like a man. We are in a new age, the rules of the game we used to play in highschool have been changed. If one places such a high value on their vagina in this day and age, they will most certainly be going without! I for one, do not intend to go without.
I personally look forward to the man who looks at me and envisions me with my legs spread...since I am probably looking at him and imagining his size! And having tried the exclusivity thing a few times...trust me...it isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I guess it is human nature to want to be loved. And having experienced that wonderful, incredible feeling a few times...yes I would like to feel it again. But anybody who has had it before, knows that it dissipates after a while.Then you are left with a man who wants to see her legs spread, and a woman who has decided that because she is not getting the much needed attention she expected, and so she will punish him for this need.
It is much more advantagious for both the man and the woman to realize that in the long run....we are all just looking for the prize that awaits us in the bedroom. Find your lasting commitments and unconditional love with your friends....they will always be there, when the man of your dreams starts looking the other way. | |
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Joined: 3/20/2007
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 11:04:25 AM | | They get it, it's just both sides are playing the same game, but by different rules. A lot of guys ( now lets be honest.. there are a couple that are sincere.. ) just want the physical culmination of what a relationship can lead up to. Women ( and again, there are some that are different ) want the romance novel or movie they've been seeing in their heads and from their parents for years. They see how it was, and wonder why it isn't that way now. Guys see how it was and aren't willing to put forth that kind of effort. So what you are left with is women using their "god given attributes" to keep men interested and keep them coming back until they decide if the man is worthy or not. Men keep going back because the women have the physical "hook" we get caught on. It all comes down to people need to start being "themselves" more and worrying about trying to impress people less. Ya, its incredible when a women dresses up and looks sexy for her man, and the same when a man dresses up well for his lady... but if you can't just relax and be yourselves around eachother.. everything else is just smoke and mirrors. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 1:22:52 PM |
Msg 33: They get it, it's just both sides are playing the same game, but by different rules...
Well said! Of course everyone--to some degree--wants and hopes for more. I suppose that's what dreams are for... | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:00:52 PM | dianelirs,
I think you misunderstood me, and went down a road I didn't, lol.
If one places such a high value on their vagina in this day and age, they will most certainly be going without!
I disagree. I place an extremely high value on my vagina and my sexuality and I don't go without, lol. I wasn't speaking of placing a high value on the vagina---or not, I was speaking of attaching values to it that are misplaced. The vagina (in this context) is a body part that is used to physically express attraction, affection and to share pleasure, though it certainly isn't the only body part with which to do so. What I was attempting to say is that the vagina shouldn't be used as a prize (or a tool) with an expectation attached to it; as in "if I share my vagina with you, you better commit to me and we better be exclusive", or used in some way to otherwise control a relationship.
If we place a high value on our vagina/sexuality, then cool beans. But when that's the case, we shouldn't share it until we're comfortable, and won't be whining about how we were used for sex. Have sex because you wanna have sex, not to gain something in return.
Then you are left with a man who wants to see her legs spread, and a woman who has decided that because she is not getting the much needed attention she expected, and so she will punish him for this need.
Agreed...she'd be using her vagina as a tool to manipulate.
they will always be there, when the man of your dreams starts looking the other way.
1. if he's really the man of my dreams, he won't start looking the other way.
2. if he's really the man of my dreams, the lasting love and committment won't be a question that sex answers.
3. You're suggesting that we hold our men to us with sex. Yikes! | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:18:27 PM | | Well Mr Stud muffin.....some of us women are not as stupid and gullible as your trying to portray us,and what makes you think shes not using you for her pleasure hmm.......some men just dont seem to get it. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/15/2007 6:09:37 PM | | Singlewriter, I read your thread and feel sorry for you. Tis an empty existence you write of. I would hope most women do "get it" and are not the simpering example that you portray. My heart does rule me but my heart is not stupid nor blind. My heart does not simper for fools. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 8:29:30 AM | After reading the back and forth here --- going to add another 2 cents worth
Let's face it ladies, Sex is important to most men --- and there are some women, myself included who think it's really at the top of the list as well. How a person treats it is a personal choice and the age and expectations and dreams determine one's attitude.
For those of us who have been married, had our kids, have our careers, our financial independence ---- and are dating as a way to avoid the dulldrums of life (bills, chores, problems in general), what is it exactly we are seeking???
I know some women who want still to be rescued from financial problems.
Others who want a man to help them work around the house
Some of us, myself included have been thinking I want that next partner but I've tried to look at it now from the man's perspective and I have to stop and ask myself why I want to be tied to another person.......
Does experiences tell us that men are romantic, affectionate, caring beyond the hunt and capture period???
Am I going to find someone who day in and day out is good company, still tries to make me laugh and visa versa and can we coincide in the same space without resentment and frustrations building up and tearing apart the closeness?
I just don't know if I can answer yes to either of those questions anymore. So many men have taken a "experience the adventure" and "enjoy the moments" approach --- have to say except for disease --- which can be managed I suppose ---- maybe it's a very big unanswered prayer for that partner that I should be on my knees thanking God for saving me from myself!!!!
And I like men --- alot --- so this is not a bashing response. This is an acceptance that maybe they've got it right for those of us post marriage, post child bearing.
AND I think it should be the men trying to convince ME why I should share a life with them......not the other way around!!!! No more begging for attention!!!! | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 8:44:59 AM | This is quite sad. In fact pathetic. I see this as a man's (NOT all) vision of seeing a woman as purely a sex object, and having a complete disregard for her persona. Any guy that has this view about a woman and 'plays' his part in getting what he wants, no matter what the cost may be is PATHETIC.
These are the actions of a player. Women are people and they have feelings just as men do, and to take advantage of these feelings is the lowest of the low.
One day a fanny will bite this type of guy right on the a*** and he won't know what hit him, when she flicks him off without remorse. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 8:59:28 AM | | It is all a game of a sorts ; Relationships between women and men are never easy. If a woman is fun , good looking and sexy she will have the attention from men , but she will never know if it is because she is special or because a man just wants to get in her pants. Men are mostly ruled by a basic urge, women want to be wanted, lusted after, made to feel they are all that a man can want; and their men have to hold back until she decides that it is the right time and the right place. Passion is great but it doesn't happen often, it is usually if there has been some kind of frisson building up for a while and then "Bang" all hell breaks loose. Most men are so easy , they can't hold on to their princibles for long , restraint is not in a mans dictionary. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 10:48:05 AM | My head is ready to a~splode!
Singlewriter you portray women as being too passive.Do you by any chance write ROMANCE NOVELS?
Most of you Menpeople are so simple and predictable.Bang your fists on your manly chests all you want you know you are! All you really want is something in your belly..a little praise..a little quiet..a little lovin'..total control of the remote ...to know you are NEEDED and you are happy. No???
For those of you who are only interested in finding something wet and dark in which to make your little deposit read on! To the men who are NOT interested in our opinion, thoughts or feelings... *newsflash* Most of us can spot you a mile away and let the games begin...evil hehehe!
Women can use sex to get what we want...Men cannot... as sex is what you want.Neener neener! Sometime around our late teens we identify those of you that have no real interest in us as a human beings. Bah! That is the point of no return...dun dun dun you will NEVA get what you desire quite so easily again!
Ah, pay my snarking no mind... I love men with a muchness.
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:24:18 AM | Ingigo Rose ~ Mgs 11
I couldn't have said better myself. Girl you are right on the $$ with that response.
And to the OP...when I read your post, I had a thougth of :
"I can't believe this doesn't stink of Harlequin corny story writing!" (or does it?)
Never mind writing stories for the guillible teenagers type outhere. Why do you write something more realistic as a great erotic story for the real hot ladies outhere.
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:26:47 AM | ooops..
a couple of typos
"Why do you write something more realistic as a great erotic story for the real hot ladies outhere."
The verb should have been 'Why Don't you'....sorry about that. Fingers going faster than the brain again...darn!
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:54:49 PM | | Why is it that men don't get the fact that if they'd be more honest about what they want, they just might get it without all of the emotinal dramatics? Sure, they're going to try and some women will say no, but at least when they do meet one that says yes right off the bat, and who knows it's only casual sex, then the guy also knows they're not going to get the emotional dramaztics when they don't call her for a week. The biggest problem with your scenario is that he's *playing a part* and she's thinking he's being *honest*. Seems to me he's the one who's going about it all wrong...and hurting people in addition. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 2:19:31 PM | Holy Generalization Batman! I think what the OP means is what women don't get about HIM, not men in general. It's also ridiculous to state that all women think this way. Gah. Women sexualize dating scenarios just as much as men do. Further, many men and women look beyond the rut for meaning in their lives.
I hope the Boy Wonder isn't swayed by this. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 2:39:09 PM | ::smirks:: It would seem I watch way too much of Star Trek.
My first impresson of Singles thread is this... "Spoken like a true Frangie."
Elaborate acting???? What is wrong with be an Honest and sincere man? Maybe some men aren't good enough to be honest about their intentions. They aren't desireable enough to get a woman interested into testing sex with him without an elaborate act.
Why do both men and women feel they have to act? And what is this obsession with having sex with strangers?
Yes, I am a man, yes, sometimes when I look at a woman I wonder what it would be like to be in bed with her. I wonder if I could actually rock her world with my talent. But then I wonder if she is worthy of my attention.
Its easy to give sex away to everyone. If a man is honest and finds the woman desireable he should feel able to tell her so. In todays society most women would smile and go for it if they also find the man interesting and desireable. No acting needed at all.
And a good relationship starts with good communication skills. Sex improves when two partners takes the time to communicate about what pleasures them most. It also increases if both partners are not "Selfish" and both work to please the other.
I just don't feel you can work to this level of arousal or pleasant encounter without caring or even better, have some kind of love for each other.
By why act like a Frangie? What to know what women look like naked? Go to a club that features naked women. | |
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| Women just don't seem to get it! Or do they?
Posted: 4/16/2007 3:39:39 PM | I am going to assume you are speaking for yourself here since there are some men who has responded to your thread and does not want to be considered a pig.
I think you just need to get over yourself.
I think the women you are speaking of are just hoping to find that one honest man out there ,and they are there but you are living proof that we have to kiss a lot of frogs to find him.
First you say she dresses carefully to attract his attention. Did it occur to you that maybe she is confident and knows who she is and not afraid to show it? Maybe by dressing tastefully makes her feel good about herself and does not have as much to do with you as you might think.
You say she wants to look into your eyes. The eyes are the mirror to the sole and the only thing you can do to keep her from seeing you for what you really are is to look down.
You say she is honest and sincere and you put on an elaborate act, and if you play your cards right you will get what you are after. If you were an honest man, you would not have to put on any kind of act.
I have to agree with Pretty Little Princess, men like you scare the crap out of me.
The longest term relationship you most likely have ever had, has been with your left hand. Guys like you are subject to find themselves very much alone when the big party is over.
And last but not least, i have dated much better looking men than you. So get a grip! | |
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