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Posted: 4/16/2007 12:33:55 PM | The world ? I think the US rules the roost in that department; with the exception of Dunblane I never heard of any of the others apart from the ones in the US (and I don't watch US media)
You are right. In other parts of the world they prefer strapping a bombs to their chest and blowing up people in markets and buses instead of schools.
Same twisted result, same twisted psyche, different method.
Wasting innocent lives is the same wherever it happens. | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:34:54 PM |
but there are still serious loopholes
So your argument is "Because its not perfect its hogwash".
That doesn't 'wash' with me at all., the whole reason I did the training and went though the process was to understand all this and not just comment on it from the outside.
Handguns are illegal, but we can own them.
Incorrect, I can legally buy a 9mm hand gun (and hollow point ammo and full metal jacket) if I want, not that I want to, or ever will.
and we must call the authorities before we leave the house with the gun
Wrong again.
I can tell from your post that you haven't done much if any research into the subject.
Ok, you tell me what good it's going to do for all the law abiding citizens to take the gun courses and pay to have their guns registered?
Starting with the premiss that this is in place to control the law abiding citizens misses the point completely, its the start of a process that has to get tighter to STOP (well slow down) the guns getting into the hands of the people that we don't want them to have.
I guess I'm just trying to understand how having taken a gun course and having a peice of paper that says the gun is owned by that person, will prevent them or someone else from using that gun in a murder?
Of course it wont that's a ridiculous approach to the argument. It's the same for cars and ram raiding.
Mine point is, that there is some legislation there that can be worked on and improved, opposed to how slack it is in the US.
Though the real issue is respect and the social attitude towards violence as a whole. | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
Msg: 28 | |
| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:37:19 PM | You are right. In other parts of the world they prefer strapping a bombs to their chest and blowing up people in markets and buses instead of schools.
Same twisted result, different method.
One is political the other isn't.
The discussion here is shootings in schools. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:46:02 PM | | Where I live, the group I am in made Bullying illigal. You can now get charged for it. I am crying as I write this. All my life I have been harrased, as were my friends. I am surprised it never happend at my school. 32 people dead 29 hurt. My heart is with thos people, and there familys. But it will happen again, and again. Still somebody does something, and somebody listions. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 12:55:07 PM |
USAToday News Service. Update at 3:12 p.m. ET/
Scott Hill, a spokesman for Montgomery Regional Hospital, says 28 people are being treated at area hospitals. "We don't expect any more patients," he told reporters outside the hospital. Hill said 17 patients were being treated at his hospital, with the remainder divided among three other medical facilities in southwestern Virginia.
So the casualty number appears to be confirmed at 28. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:08:52 PM |
Not only is the world less safe because of that idiot president, his own
country is less safe from his own home-grown terrorists.""""
I don't think he should be called a terrorist. Psycho is more like it. If decent citizens had to give up their guns we would be over run by bad guys.
I hardly think Bush had anything to do with the young man's mental problems, for he had to be sick to do something like he did. Gun laws will not stop anyone from getting guns if you want them no matter where you live, or what country you live in. From what one person said on the news he was looking for his girlfriend. Sounds like he was on a mission. How tragic! So many lives destroyed because of one person. I pray that God will be with the injured,and the families who mourn their loved ones that were lost. This is so sad. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:15:15 PM | I think this might be like Columbine. The shooter inside, shooting up the place at will, and the police outside guarding all the exits.
It's still early and the investigagtion will reveal more, but there seems to be an aweful lot of footage of police officers behind trees and automobiles as you can hear the shooter in the background.
It tooks the police hours to find the Columbine shooters AFTER they commited suicide. I can understand not rushing blindly into the bulding, but moving with a sense of purpose should be expected. I hope it is not the case here that the police only entered the buildings until after the victims let them know he had shot himself.
Where did this guy go in the two hours between the first and second shootings? That is the real question. Did he leave to go buy some more bullets and return, or was he hiding out somewhere? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:19:49 PM | This is a sad moment for so many.
First....my condolences to all the family members of the young people gunned down.
My prayers go out for all those affected by this tragedy! I hope and pray this spurs changes to gun laws . | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:21:27 PM | ******Not only is the world less safe because of that idiot president, his own
country is less safe from his own home-grown terrorists.""""
This is a horrible tradgedy, and cannot feel more sorry for those kids and parents. And for you to drag some total nonsense like that into a thread like this ...you and your friend are to ****ing stupid even for the internet. So head over to the politcal discussions and rant about Bush switching out airplanes , and setting charges in the buildings on 9/11, and he is out to dominate the world, and he is the anti christ..Blah Blah Blah you ****ing anti Bush moron.
This sick SOB would have went off his rocker and killed innocent people with or without gun control. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:36:54 PM | This song "Sniper" by Harry Chapin came out in the 70s and while it's about the 1961 Texas bell tower shooting it seems strangly appropriate. You can probably find it on limewire.
It is an early Monday morning.
The sun is becoming bright on the land.
No one is watching as he comes a walking.
Two bulky suitcases hang from his hands.
He heads towards the tower that stands in the campus.
He goes through the door, he starts up the stairs.
The sound of his footsteps, the sound of his breathing,
The sound of the silence when no one was there.
I didn't really know him.
He was kind of strange.
Always sort of sat there.
He never seemed to change.
He reached the catwalk. He put done his burden.
The four sided clock began to chime.
Seven AM, the day is beginning.
So much to do and so little time.
He looks at the city where no one had known him.
He looks at the sky where no one looks down.
He looks at his life and what it has shown him.
He looks for his shadow it cannot be found.
He was such a moody child, very hard to touch.
Even as a baby he never smiled too much. No no.No no.
You bug me, she said.
Your ugly, she said.
Please hug me, I said.
But she just sat there
With the same flat stare
That she saves for me alone
When I'm home.
When I'm home.
Take me home.
He laid out the rifles, he loaded the shotgun,
He stacked up the cartridges along the wall.
He knew he would need them for his conversation.
If it went as it he planned, then he might use them all.
He said Listen you people I've got a question
You won't pay attention but I'll ask anyhow.
I found a way that will get me an answer.
Been waiting to ask you 'till now.
Right now !
Am I ?
I am a lover whose never been kissed.
Am I ?
I am a fighter whose not made a fist.
Am I ?
If I'm alive then there's so much I've missed.
How do I know I exist ?
Are you listening to me ?
Are you listening to me ?
Am I ?
The first words he spoke took the town by surprise.
One got Mrs. Gibbons above her right eye.
It blew her through the window wedged her against the door.
Reality poured from her face, staining the floor.
He was kind of creepy,
Sort of a dunce.
I met him at the corner bar.
I only dated the poor boy once,
That's all. Just once, that was all.
Bill Whedon was questioned as stepped from his car.
Tom Scott ran across the street but he never got that far.
The police were there in minutes, they set up baricades.
He spoke right on over them in a half-mile circle.
In a dumb struck city his pointed questions were sprayed.
He knocked over Danny Tyson as he ran towards the noise.
Just about then the answers started comming. Sweet, sweet joy.
Thudding in the clock face, whining off the walls,
Reaching up to where he sat there, answering calls.
Thirty-seven people got his message so far.
Yes, he was reaching them right were they are.
They set up an assault team. They asked for volunteers.
They had to go and get him, that much was clear.
And the word spread about him on the radios and TV's.
In appropriately sober tone they asked "Who can it be ?"
He was a very dull boy, very taciturn.
Not much of a joiner, he did not want to learn.
No no.No no.
They're coming to get me, they don't want to let me
Stay in the bright light too long.
It's getting on noon now, it's goin to be soon now.
But oh, what a wonderful sound !
Mama, won't you nurse me ?
Rain me down the sweet milk of your kindness.
Mama, it's getting worse for me.
Won't you please make me warm and mindless ?
Mama, yes you have cursed me.
I never will forgive you for your blindness.
I hate you!
The wires are all humming for me.
And I can hear them coming for me.
Soon they'll be here, but there's nothing to fear.
Not any more though they've blasted the door.
As the copter dropped the gas he shouted " Who cares ?" .
They could hear him laughing as they started up the stairs.
As they stormed out on the catwalk, blinking at the sun,
With their final fusillade his answer had come.
Am I ?
There is no way that you can hide me.
Am I ?
Though you have put your fire inside me.
Am I ?
You've given me my answer can't you see ?
I was !
I am !
and now I Will Be
I WILL BE !!! | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 1:47:28 PM | This sick SOB would have went off his rocker and killed innocent people with or without gun control.
Pure conjecture, a violent outburst can be made a lot worse depending on the tools to hand.
The "nonsense" as you call it being pulled into the thread while possibly insensitive isn't completely misplaced, as being taught as a country that violence is the answer to any and all problems is one lesson that is being taught from the top down.
My prayers go out for all those affected by this tragedy! I hope and pray this spurs changes to gun laws .
We can but hope. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:48:12 PM | Once again tragedy and already people trying to use others loses for their own ends ..... almost as sick as the guy that did it.
33 families lost sons and daughters, hundreds more lost friends. All have my deepest sympathy. I only wish there was more that could be done to ease this tragedy.
The sad thing is it has become less shocking. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:55:09 PM | I was never taught that violence is the answer to any and all problems
....Must be pure conjecture | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 1:55:27 PM | Very sad that now even our college kids can't feel safe on campus. My prayers go to every single student and staff member on that campus.
Gun control of any kind won't help. It's like drugs -- if people want them, they will get them. | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
Msg: 41 | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:08:20 PM |
I was never taught that violence is the answer to any and all problems
....Must be pure conjecture
What you are shown by example and what you believe can be diffrent things, as is the case I'm glad you don't think so ! | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:14:19 PM | | And what a person believes allows them to reject the examples they see. | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
Msg: 43 | |
| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 2:17:28 PM |
And what a person believes allows them to reject the examples they see.
Indeed, it's all perception and belief with in that.
Get a few people with diffrent perceptions, educated them with a belief system(s) that only allows for one view to be right and all the others to be wrong, and stand back and take notes ! | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:26:54 PM | Horrible and very sad. Indeed my condolences to all those affected.
When is America going to change gun laws? How many more innocents will be slaughtered until the USA will recognize there's a 'problem' ?
The obvious comment is sadly true - that a country that refuses politically to accept gun control is bound to experience more of such awful and frightening events. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:27:31 PM |
"Rage as we know it today did not exist when Ronald Reagan took power in 1981. The word stress had a far less lethal meaning then. The vise hadn’t yet been applied so intensely and so broadly, from the middle-class employee’s 80-hour work week, down to the three year old’s preschool exam prep course. That is gone now.
We went from the Seventies malaise to today’s post-industrial slavery, where we have accepted, with a cheerful attitude, the notion that our master’s interests- the constant transfer of wealth upward into the plutocratic class’ pockets- are identical with our own interests.
Before Reagan, there was no such thing as “going postal” or schoolyard rampage murders. It all started with his reign and his revolution. Thanks to Ronald Reagan, we are all miserable wage slaves, or schoolyard wretches being pressed and prepared for life in the office world.
Americans have become perfect slaves, fools and suckers, while a small elite is cackling all the way to the offshore bank. Why is it that in those rare, exceptional cases when Americans take up arms against the malice that Ronald Reagan bequeathed to us, we only turn on each other in our workplaces, our post offices, and schools?”
—Excerpted from Postscript
http://www.exile.ru/2005-November-04/going_postal.html
http://exile.ru/downloads/media/going-postal-ames.mov
http://www.alternet.org/story/24796/
http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/02/ames-goingpostal-review-cx_mm_1202bookreview.html | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:27:55 PM | God Bless the Right to Bear Arms - The NRA should be so very proud today!
GUNS FOR EVERYONE! | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:30:02 PM | I am 58 and I have seen too many lonely kids growing up without a family. Our generation were horrible parents. Kids can't grow up alone. Does any one know if it was another kid. Or was it worse.
I live in Montreal, and we have had too many of these scenes. Last time I looked, we were still in Canada.
I just feel sick, having to see it and hear it all again. it is so sad. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:37:53 PM | The expression "going postal" may be relatively recent, unfortunately, the reality is that this kind of thing has been happening for a long, long time. 1966 - 15 students at University of Texas - Austin were shot dead by Charles Whitmen, and 31 wounded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
There wasn't some sort of "golden age" when this kind of thing didn't happen, but the sad truth is that if people who desperately need it had access to mental health services, this kind of thing might happen less. If guns weren't so incredibly easy to come by, this kind of thing might happen less. If the economy weren't so desperatly screwed up, it might happen less. What might have rpevented this is something we will never know for certain. The only thing I am sure of right now is that a whole lot of people are hurting very, very badly right now, and a whole lot of lawyers are going to make a whole lot of money.
I'm pretty sure we can all agree that we'd rather not have to send our kids to schools where "lock-down drills" are part of their school day, the way "red menace drills" used to be. The big question - which does not have any easy answers - is how do we get there? Is there a path to preventing the kind of suffering the victim's families are now giong through? If there is, do we have the strength, courage, and selflessness to follow it? | |
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