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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:34:45 PM |
Maby psychotic people shouldn't have access to all that firepower ?
That is like saying that gravity should be weaker so fewer people will die from falls.
Psychotic people decide whether or not they have access to guns.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:36:18 PM |
HI IN BRITAIN YOU CANOT BUY A HAND GUN AND THATS AS IT SHOULD BE HANDGUNS ARE DESIGNED FOR ONLY ONE THING
You can buy a handgun in Britain just as you can buy a handgun in Mexico; you just have to see the right people.
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT A HAND GUN .
UNLESS HE /SHE WANTS TO TAKE A LIFE.
Yeah, why would the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto want to take a life?
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Posted: 4/20/2007 8:15:50 PM | DivemasterDan>>>> "i challenge anyone to tell me the name of one person who was injured or killed! "
A Canadian who formerly taught in a Nova Scotia Agricultural College. Her name was Jocelyne Couture-Nowak and apparently she was very much against guns and violence... ironic huh :( Too sad, she seemed very well liked and sadly missed, along with all the other victims. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 8:47:44 PM | | I use a pistol for my work, my job is to protect clients not from human danger but animals. you can pass all the gun control law you like, it won't change a thing.He lied to buy the guns,filed off the serial numbers for some reason. He just as easily could have went to the streets and bought them there. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 8:54:23 PM | | We need to stop focussing on the weapon of choice, and focus on why he wasn't given the help he needed when he was involuntarily detained for mental problems. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:17:18 PM | Yeah, why would the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto want to take a life?
WTF?
That is the most ridiculous comment yet on this thread.
I've stayed out of this one because I knew it would turn into a lot of "arm everybody/ban all firearms" BS but I couldn't let that one pass.
Try to focus on the real issues: the loss of life and lack of mental health resources. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:49:09 PM | I have followed this thread almost since it started.
Many statistics and hypotheses have been cited on this thread, based on what limited information started to be released, and continues to be released .... we really don't know what is fact and what is rumour .......... many rumours will fly before the facts are pieced together ...... even now at this point in time after this incident.
I, for one, don't believe all that is cited by the media, or even all these hypotheses.
Unfortunately, the media likes to glamorize their stories.... and that is what the general public seems to want to hear ..........which adds fuel to the fire of the issue at hand........
which also encourages any other psychopaths out there ...........
and, one can prove anything wtih statistics ......... it is how sound the statistics are, which truly makes the case.
As I've said in other threads before, you will believe what you want to believe.
My true belief, is, that there is more violence in a society where there are higher class ranges.... where the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. My experience with the large cities in the US, is that there are large class differences ..... there truly are ghettos.... and this social structure of class differences exists in even the smaller cities. The smaller cities actually are more discriminating and racist than the larger centres.
I had to smile at my students today....... when one was telling me about chancing upon the ghetto of Toronto. I asked where that was. Since they did not know Toronto very well, they could not tell me. From my experience of living in the Toronto, the "ghetto" there is nothing like the ghettos of the large US cities. .... in actual fact, Toronto really does not have a ghetto .... it has areas where the housing is lower-income housing or government subsidized housing ....... I myself have been in those areas, living in parts of them as a universtiy student, and later delivering things to athletes that I have coached inToronto ...... and I survived, without an incident ..... I realize that there is more violence in Toronto now than there was at that time.
This is why I credit Canada as having less violence than other countries. I say "violence", rather than homicides, etc, since violence will include injuries as well as deaths ....... but, Canada is becoming more and more like the US, in many ways.... violence is increasing .... and the class differences are increasing ..... with the stresses of society now, anger managemenet is more of an issue, etc, etc ............
I realize that many Americans view Canadians as following whatever the American way is ......... and this may be true to some extent. I like to encourage individuality, and not following, but I am just one of many millions of people. Bottom-line dollars drives many people, businesses, and industries. Over the last 20 years, there is more pressure on this bottom-line dollar...... and more people want it for all their technical toys, vehicles, liesure activites, etc..... there is more of a focus on that now than there ever was .......... more people are taking trips now, than years ago ...... etc, etc .....
This, of course branches into a larger topic of social lissues ..... which I truly believe is behind how we end up with these psychopaths, etc.
I did not research my hypothesis here, but, I am sure, that if I did, I would be able to find statistical studies to support what I have said here, just as many of you have cited statistics about the relationship between homicide rates in various countries and their gun laws, etc.
Thus, I say, this is my belief and my hypothesis.
My heart goes out to the victims, their familes, and believe it or not, to Cho himself.
He truly was a heartless person at the time of his bizarre actions.
It amazes me how people can harbor such a hatred and anger to get to the point of performing such an act.
But, then, wars continue to exist in our world too .......... Do these people not harbor such feelings too? Too many innocent people get caught in the cross-fire.
And, when it happens on a peaceful community, it makes more of an impression.
Too many people do not value other peoples "lives". This is what scares me!
We all know too well, how many people reacted to 911 ........... they see too much of this on tv, video games, etc ............ and the impact of the taking of "lives" is not felt!
So, Mungojoe, I feel that the issue here is more than just "the loss of life and lack of mental health resources." It is forecasted that there will continue to be more of a need for psychiatrists and psychologists as we "progress" in our society ...... this action by Cho, only amplifies the truth in this forecast. I purposely avoided any of the racist remarks that have been made on this thread, sinc I regard them as very ignorant without the insight as to the real issues at hand here. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 5:06:21 AM |
It's funny that all the pro-gun folks I know take a serious look at arguments from the other side, but when it comes to anti-gun, it's a one-sided argument.
Oh really?
Do you include your next comment with those 'serious looks at the other side'?...
YOU, are nothing more than a product of liberal-media-brainwashing.
History has obviously proven nothing. As recent as the tragedies at Virginia Tech....whom had a gun ban. You know what, I'll just say it. If the powers that be didn't deny responsible citizen the right to protect themselves, 32 people would NOT be dead right now!! Period!
So your solution isn't to take the gun away from the maniac, but instead to put guns in the hands of thousands of students???
The sad reality is this guy Cho isn't the only unstable person in the US. Indeed, it seems we have a few unstable people on this very thread. Anyone who has watched this story unfold knows that this guys was obsessed with his guns and the feeling of power it gave him. Unfortunately he is not alone. Many men feel extremely powerful when they have a gun in their hands. Put the two together and you have a disaster in the making.
Many arguements have been made for gun ownership, but in my opinion, none justify the enormous loss of life we see everyday in the US.
-Hunting: Most hunters seem to agree that assualt rifles and handguns aren't needed to hunt...so why do we have them?
-Self-Defence: More gun-owners are killed either by their own gun or the criminals' than saved by using their gun. Also, most gun owners are male (as are most violent shooters). So why aren't the majority of gun owners female?
I'll tell you why, because males tend to be more destructive than females. So while you sound off about your rights and your guns keep in mind that you are also defending the 'rights' of the Cho's of the world to own their guns. How's that for blood on your hands?
Think about this...if handguns and assualt rifles were illegal, then the police would have a better chance of preventing such massacres as the VT shooting. If an internet sale is made it gives police a chance to catch the guy before he goes shooting. Or if a killer is stopped for speeding and they find a gun in their possession, there's another oppertunity.
We can all argue about what is and isn't a right all day, but the facts back me up. Look at how many people are killed by guns in the UK and compare it to the US. Gun bans save lives. Maybe the lives of you friends, family and total strangers aren't as important to you as the thrill you get firing off a gun, but they are to me. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 6:51:37 AM | Your insight seems genuine and is very well written natural energy. I have never personally been to the states but the reading I have done echoes your comment.  All is not lost when we have people like you addresses the real issues. All thats needed now is to just to get the majority to stop and really listen. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 4:00:21 PM | I guess the police figured out that Cho bought the PK22 Walther cartridge clips on Ebay. They got what they think is his ID, and the item he purchased under this ID:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140098812797
From this dealer: http://stores.ebay.com/ELK-RIDGE-SHOOTING-SUPPLY
Who has multiple packs for sale. Now did he buy the 9-mm Glocks packs from this guy as well? Maybe, since the dealer carries them AND the extension packs as well, maybe through the dealer but not through the regular bid system.
This is speculative, since Ebay has a court order issued Friday for compliance with requests for information on the account. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 8:07:55 PM |
Self-Defence: More gun-owners are killed either by their own gun or the criminals' than saved by using their gun.
I am sure that is what you have been taught, however, it isn't true. According to FBI estimates, firearms are used 2 to 5 times more(depending on location) often to defend then attack. They say up to 2 million times per year in the U.S. alone. They continue saying that it is difficult to say exactly as most of the time, these incidents are not reported. Less than 1% of the people that are injured or killed accidently with a firearm, own a firearm or grew up in a household where firearms were present. Injuries from firearms are caused by a combination of curiousity and a lack of education on using them correctly and safely.
Also, most gun owners are male (as are most violent shooters). So why aren't the majority of gun owners female?
This used to be somewhat true when divorces weren't so prevelant in our society. Typically, the husband/father did most of the hunting and the females depended on the males for protectionl. However, in the past 25 years, women make up almost 60% of the first time firearm buyers(again, I'm referring to the U.S. here).
I am only adding this in HOPES that before people make up their minds on which side of the issue they stand, they would take the time to find out the facts (from unbiased sources) about this issue-or any issue. Don't simple make up your minds by what you see of TV, or what someone tells you. Todays media is EXTREMELY bias - they tell you what THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE, period. They take the facts and maniputlate them around until fit their agenda-and this goes for all mainstream media.
I agree with the posters that say the true underlying problem is the widening wealth gap in today's societies. The reason that most crime occurs in the 'ghetto's or projects', isn't because these people that live there are more prone to crime because of their race. It is because of the true lack of opportunities for these people to support themselves and their families. Be honest with yourself for a minute-if the only way to feed/house yourself/your family was to steal, would you do it or live on the street and starve? Would you sit there and listen to your baby cry from hunger or from suffering in the elements, or would you find a way to provide for him/her? This problem didn't arise overnight, and it wasn't [completely] brought on by the violence in todays media's of choice, it was mostly(my opinion and the opinion of many so called experts) brought on by necessity. I will be the first one to spout off that if you really want a job, you can find one. However, I also DO realize that there are few entry level jobs anymore that anyone could honestly support someone/a family. With the lack of wages keeping up with inflation, it takes young families at least 2 incomes to 'make a living' (though I also feel that most people today think that having all the latest 'gadgets' are part of the 'necessities' of life. Between this and credit cards...but that is another thread entirely) in todays society. Poverty level is based around US$20k/ year these days(depending on your location-that may not even give you a place to live) which means you would have to make at least US$10/hr - that is assuming your employer allows you to work 40 hours a week. Many these days do not, because then they will also have to pay additional taxes on that full-time employee. My personal opinion is that the employers that don't work their people 40 hour weeks should pay a higher tax rate as these employee's will have a higher likelyhood of needing government assistance-yet another thread. We are into the 2nd and 3rd generation of people that found it necessary[real or perceived] to have 2 income households to survive. Which means that their children are either being raised by a daycare, the TV, or as in the case of these low income areas, the streets. If your child comes home to an empty house because both their parents are at work(doing what they have to to make a living), that child will end up being raised by their friends who may or may not be good influences. They see their parents(no matter how well intentioned) having to work 2 jobs and struggle to make ends meet, while their 'friends' who steal or sell drugs are buying all the latest gadgets and driving the hottest cars. If these are the only choices you have growing up, what do you think would you tend to lean toward? Especially when there are no adults around most of the time to teach you otherwise.
There are many things that could have attributed to this persons reason for 'going off'. In the end, however, I am a staunch believer in you are responsible for your own actions, period. Reguardless of how many times you were teased, reguardless of what kind of childhood you had, reguardless of how hard/easy your life has been up to this point - YOU HAVE NO-ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF FOR THE CHOICES YOU MAKE. Only time will tell whether they turn out to be the right choices. If you need finacial help, psyhological help, emotional help, or whatever - in MOST instances that help is available. Even if it isn't, that is still no excuse to commit acts like this. The American dream is available to anyone, but you are not ENTITLED to it just becuase you live here(by birth or otherwise), you must work, and work hard in most cases, to obtain it-it won't come looking for you. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 8:45:56 PM | “Laura and I have come to Blacksburg today with hearts full of sorrow. This is a day of mourning for the Virginia Tech community - and it is a day of sadness for our entire nation. We've come to express our sympathy. In this time of anguish, I hope you know that people all over this country are thinking about you, and asking God to provide comfort for all who have been affected.
Yesterday began like any other day. Students woke up, and they grabbed their backpacks and they headed for class. And soon the day took a dark turn, with students and faculty barricading themselves in classrooms and dormitories - confused, terrified, and deeply worried. By the end of the morning, it was the worst day of violence on a college campus in American history - and for many of you here today, it was the worst day of your lives.
It's impossible to make sense of such violence and suffering. Those whose lives were taken did nothing to deserve their fate. They were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now they're gone - and they leave behind grieving families, and grieving classmates, and a grieving nation.
In such times as this, we look for sources of strength to sustain us. And in this moment of loss, you're finding these sources everywhere around you. …
These sources of strength are with your loved ones. …. And as you draw closer to your own families in the coming days, I ask you to reach out to those who ache for sons and daughters who will never come home.
These sources of strength are also in the faith that sustains so many of us. Across the town of Blacksburg and in towns all across America, houses of worship from every faith have opened their doors and have lifted you up in prayer. People who have never met you are praying for you; they're praying for your friends who have fallen and who are injured. There's a power in these prayers, real power. In times like this, we can find comfort in the grace and guidance of a loving God. As the Scriptures tell us, "Don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”
… May God bless you. May God bless and keep the souls of the lost. And may His love touch all those who suffer and grieve.”
Fascinating how the []resident nitwit conjures up all this empathy for the 32 ‘lost’ at Virgnia Tech; where is his outpouring of empathy for the THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of INNOCENT, DEAD Iraqis (whose deaths he is responsible for) who also “did nothing to deserve their fate. They were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now they're gone - and they leave behind grieving families?”
I guess the lives of 32 Americans are infinitely more valuable than the lives of THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of Iraqis. After all, he has given them ‘freedom’, what the hell else could they want!
Hypocrisy: the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess.
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Posted: 4/21/2007 8:47:18 PM | well while we're at it lets ban airplanes, how many people died on 9-11, by airplanes. Not once did I here any one wanting to ban the planes.Lets take it a step further lets ban all auto's too they kill how many each year?
You all want to blame the guns.
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Posted: 4/21/2007 9:11:32 PM | | Everybody thinks differently one may believe in right and wrong while another has been hurt so many times it's wrong, wrong, wrong, in most cases their emotions are gone beyond the point of no return they have simply snapped even if someone told them they were responsible for their actions, you might as well be speaking to them in a forgien language they are gone some people are so hurt usually by the very people they are taught to trust " You have no one to blame but yourself for the choices you make.." That may be. But don't ever say that to someone who has a gun at your head..Because at that point they don't care..It's important to get to people long before that happens..My emotions shut down when my father drop kicked me in my appendix bursting it, I was 8 years old I almost fu*kin died a vietnam medic home on leave saved my life..I remember comming to and my father knelt by my side crying swearing he would never hurt me again, but he did again and again..I loved my father very much but not at the time I wanted to kill him for what he did to me..I think I would have eventually..He died when I was 12 thirty six years ago today Apirl 21st 1971...After he died my mom told me she didn't want me then I ended up on the streets in and out of detention centers, kiddy nut wards bought and paid for by my mom with my dads money molesters work in those places and I got that too and at the ripe old age of 13 I took a grown mans life that nabbed me after I had run away from my mother and her boyfriends abuse and while he knocked me around he was finger banging my little sister but I guess that was our fault we let it happen...I got four years away from my little sister who continued to be sexually abused..I think this kid was sexually molested I don't know who, when, or where, it's just my opinion. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 9:13:37 PM |
I have never personally been to the states but the reading I have done echoes your comment. All is not lost when we have people like you addresses the real issues. All thats needed now is to just to get the majority to stop and really listen.
An I am not a doctor and don't play one on TV, but if someone has a cure for cancer , I will surely help out with an opinion.
Hunting: Most hunters seem to agree that assualt rifles and handguns aren't needed to hunt...so why do we have them?
Its my business to deal with hunters, I talk to a huge number every year. Which ones where you refering to? The ones I know just consider them another type of gun. So now your a spokesman for hunters??
Unfortunately he is not alone. Many men feel extremely powerful when they have a gun in their hands. Put the two together and you have a disaster in the making.
And the unibomber really enjoyed wrapping packages. Maybe we should get rid of string and paper. And my testosterone levels don't even budge when I happen to pick up one of my guns...nor do I have any thoughts of shooting someone..or wrapping packages that go boom.
Think about this...if handguns and assualt rifles were illegal, then the police would have a better chance of preventing such massacres I can tell you are not a gun owner. An assault rifle is nothing more than a deer rifle that fires one shot at a time. All automatic weapons are illegal. And when you purchase any type of weapon, the FBI and police know who has them. The 2 idiots that shot up LA after robbing the bank had fully auto AKs, illegal...ya think the cops knew they had them?? Look at how many people are killed by guns in the UK and compare it to the US. Gun bans save lives.
And this comparison is the lamest. How can you compare a country the size of the UK, to the USA?? A differant culture, less population, and so many other factors that it is like comparing an apple to a watermelon.
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Posted: 4/21/2007 9:28:24 PM | Hey Byrd - How you reacted/went on with your life displays your character - not your childhood. What these people did was wrong-plain and simple. And I would never fault you for what you did to someone that kidnapped you. The only difference is that, if you had lived in most any other state of the union you would have been given a medal rather than put away....though it sounds like you would still have ended up in some kind of foster care until you turned 18.
As long as you don't do those same things to your children, you have shown your good character and broken the chain of abuse - good for you! | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 9:37:57 PM |
Hunting: Most hunters seem to agree that assualt rifles and handguns aren't needed to hunt...so why do we have them?
Most hunted animals seem to agree that hunters wouldn't 'need' guns of any kind if they derived power and potency elsewhere. Ban weapons? Hell no, arm the animals.
Now, let's go shoot fish in a barrel, weehah!
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Posted: 4/22/2007 1:34:30 AM | Evn though I live many thousand miles away, did not know any of the victims or have any relation to the school, I cannot help but feel really upset by this, even a week later.
Perhaps it is the way the internet connects people, the ability to read about the victims on websites like myspace and facebook and the messages left by mourning friends that almost makes you feel like you have known them for years.
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Posted: 4/22/2007 4:52:19 AM | I guess this is the price we pay for the type of society we live in.
We are incapable of doing anything practical about the easy availability of firearms.
We refuse to do anything practical about mental health issues.
We will just have to tolerate the sacrifice of a few dozen innocent people every few years.
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Posted: 4/22/2007 5:59:11 AM |
We are incapable of doing anything practical about the easy availability of firearms. We refuse to do anything practical about mental health issues
And we are continuing to blame ourselves. If you have mental problems in this country, you have to try to avoid someone trying to help you. And you could melt down every gun, knife, bomb..whatever. And some nut will still try to make himself a Martyr by killing innocent people. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 10:55:19 AM | | per 553 the one that got me was the Jon Benet kidnap and homicide I knew it could happen because I myself had a rough childhood but I was grown up now..I couldn't look at the paper T.V. It shocked me so bad when I see things like what happened here I have to take a step back and not watch the news as much the whole thing makes me cry..All those young people had their lives ahead of them and the professors..I feel very little for Cho it took everything I had and alot of what God gave me to not strike out at others even the S.O.B.'s that did me wrong..It took years for that anger to go away but it did. And now I can feel again I feel sorrow for the victims and the families, Cho's family and those that had to see it..God Bless them, it's O.K. To cry today. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 5:20:29 PM | natural energy~
you know, i have lived in san francisco, los angeles, berkely, manhattan, brooklyn (oh, get this... i lived in bedford sty!) and chicago, rural illinois, and iowa. i never felt safer than walking down the street at night then i did when i lived in manhattan. and there are rural "ghettoes" as well.
as a matter of fact, based on the US census data, there is a larger number of poor people in rural areas then there are in urban areas. also, people's income and socio-economic situations do change. there are people who may lose a job, or go through a hard time financially due to a divorce, etc. ut these are often temporary more often than not. the actual number of people that remain at a constant in the poverty range throughout thier life times is actually very small. you can go on the dept of agriculture website and pull up the census data on this stuff.
i had to do a ton of research on single motherhood for a psychology class last semester. i poored over all sorts of data and found a very strong correlation between single parent homes and poverty. this is probably one the leading causes of poverty in this nation, raising kids outside of marriage. of course, when you factor in all the correlations between kids raised in single parent homes, durg use, crime, higher rates of mental illness etc. the picture is pretty ugly. you get kids who seek out negative peer group associations and what not.
in this young man's case, none of these factors are relevent. but they are relevent to the greater issue of crime and poverty.
the fact of the matter, based on reports that have recently come out, this young man was most likley mentally ill from the outset. he rarely spoke even to his own family. in one report in the new york times that came out today, his family mentioned, after watching his video tape that that was the first time they ever heard him speak in full sentences. the kid was a psychopath, and he was able to pass for almost normal just enough to barely function for most of his life up untill now.
there are people in this world that suffer from mental illness and are not only a harm to themselves, but a danger to others. this has been a fact since time immemorial. to try to apply logic to insanity is like walking through a maze. the kid did this because he was insane and there was nothing his family could have done to fix that. his sister turned out fine.
do you honestly think that getting rid of all those evil guns is going to prevent violence? remember, this school was a "gun free zone." the only people that will have guns will be the criminals or the nutcases like this poor troubled young man.
the world is a violent place and always has been to varying degrees. look, a psycho with a steak knife could kill a whole town full of pacifists. i'd like to be a pacifist too, but i can't because there is the distinct possibility that some other guy is not. that being the case i'll keep my gun thank you in case that other guy happens to break into my house at night.
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Posted: 4/22/2007 6:39:14 PM | Aex, i could't agree with you more. What we are seeing in events like Virginia Tech, is the disenfranchised reaching a point where they can't take anymore of whatever has been continually hurting them (the bullying, the insensitivity, basic man's inhumanity to man). All week long, the media has been telling us about all the "red flags" Cho had sent up for several years. He was know on campus as someone who might do exactly what he did. So where were the interventions? We also heard that his family was concerned.....where was the responsible action that they were able to take??
So i guess i'm saying, where does the responsibilty for not following through when someone is known to be "dangerous to self and otheres" lie???
i can tell you where it doesn't lie, though. It doesn' t lie in gun control laws. If someone is homicidal, they will use whatever means they have to kill. And if someone is a gun enthusiast, that doesn't mean that they are killers...seems pretty basic to me. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:01:12 PM |
msg 554:We are an advanced, intelligent, civilized people.
says who?
msg 556:God Bless them, it's O.K. To cry today.
yes it is Byrd. And you are one strong man yourself. My hats off to you. I salute you for being a true survivor in one mighty tuff old world.
...strong correlation between single parent homes and poverty. this is probably one the leading causes of poverty in this nation, raising kids outside of marriage. of course, when you factor in all the correlations between kids raised in single parent homes, durg use, crime, higher rates of mental illness etc. the picture is pretty ugly...in this young man's case, none of these factors are relevent. but they are relevent to the greater issue of crime and poverty.
and there's a large part of this story right there...this isn't meant to slight single parents...the single moms i've known have taught me a ton about the word sacrifice, and the phrase 'pay the price'...
...but there is just too damn many single parents...i guess the phrase "planned parenthood" is an outdated one now, but, people have to work hard to make it work without a plan...this side of the atlantic wasn't built by people bailing out all the time...this was the exciting new world not so long ago...now it's just plain unsafe and scary...glad somebody thinks they know what they're doing because i can't figure it out
a successful man now well into his 70's i know were sitting out at a bush fire oh about a year ago, maybe longer i can't remember...his second set of kids were now in their late teens and he's a pretty smart guy. He had this theory about part of whats wrong today and it being all these single parent homes where the boys don't have dad to straighten them out the way a dad can...and for the single dads with their boys, they don't have mum to tell them a thing or two about girls...and when the single dad has the girl living with him, she doesn't have mum for the things a girl needs mum for. I thnk you get the idea. Good post larissaann.
I've been around long enuff to know some marriages are just a train wreck and need to be broken up. But I've also been around long enuff to know that some parents are just selfish and were hatched themselves rather than raised. The kids need direction, but the parents seem directionless themselves. Just read the dating challenges in the other Forums for a day or two and you'll see countless examples of a lack of common sense, complete confusion as to whats right and wrong and a real bad sense of morality. Just some things to think about while I think this next one thru a bit more:
, his family mentioned, after watching his video tape that that was the first time they ever heard him speak in full sentences.
now, that's an interesting statement...
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OP: God Bless America...May you show them the way home. May you get them to stand down and come home and paint their one fences white for awhile. May you forgive them their trespasses as they are willing to forgive those who tresspass on them. May you get them to understand they're little more than 2 years old in terms of centuries when compared to other nations sharing this planet. May you help them with perspective. May you get them to remember one small step for man. May you help them restore their land of the free, and help them make it so you don't have to be brave just to go outside. May you give them the courage, the wisdom, the utmost fortitude and determination to mend the sinister sins that have been bestowed on this once great nation. May you help them remember what their nation was built with. The blood, the sweat, the tears. They seem to have forgotten the sweat part. So may you find them the people to remind them of what it takes, and force them to make the tough choices for awhile. May you help them see the light in the twilight's last gleaming. Amen to the people.
"...them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye...
...singin' this'll be the day that I die...""".............
Peace over Virginia Tech...may this be a turning point in your nation's young history. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:49:00 PM | Larissan04,
I guess I should respond, since you seemed to devote your whole post to me?
I'm not sure why. It does not sound like you understood my post.
I have walked down the streets of Chicago at night too, and felt safe.
That was not my point.
I also know that a cousin of mine who lives in Chicago, didn't want me to walk down certain streets to meet up wtih her for dinner ..... there certainly are areas where you are more careful. I don't think you can argue that.
I also mentioned the fact that the smaller centres and rural areas are often more discriminationg than the bigger cities ..........
Re: your data on the poor and the socio-economic situations - what is your point? Are you refuting the fact that the gap is widening between the wealthy and the poor? Careful with the data that you collect. I teach stats, and too many people do not gather and analyze their data correctly.
I am well aware tha many people move through different income ranges based on their income at the time ... having gone through a career change myself , I am well aware of this........... there still are many people in income brackets that are very low, and will remain there ...........
This gap is wider in the states. You don't have the same health care available to the average person as we do in Canada ....... for the time being, at any rate. As I said, this gap is widening in Canada as well.
Regarding mental illness ......... I stated that with the stresses of our society, more and more people are having difficulties dealing with the stresses ......... there is forecasted to be an increase in mental illnesses, and more of a need for pshychiatrists and psychologists in the future ............ I never disputed the fact that he had a major mental illness. So, I hope your whole post was not directed to me. If it was, then you did not understand my post.
I also indicated that the issues are not black and white ......... there are far more factors than just the stresses and income gap between the wealthy and the poor. | |
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