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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:44:58 PM | | Death toll revised to 33, about a half hour ago. Only 5 have been listed in satisfactory condition; the condition of the remaining 15 still receiving treatment is unknown. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:52:59 PM | Don't blame a kid's life for going out and killing people. That's the "my mom never hugged me" excuse. MY mom was never nice to me, either, but I rose above her garbage. Good mental health is the issue, I believe....people overlook the fact that someone they know may need help...some even see things or hear things that should be a warning to everyone. I know because my father has been bi-polar for years, and it is STILL difficult to get him proper help when he needs it.
As for guns, it's too easy to get them. And please don't go off on a tangent about your rights to bear arms. As long as you can walk into a gun shop and purchase what you need to kill another human being, all because it's your right to do that, then I guess all is well with the world.
People died today...murdered in cold blood...keep that in perspective, and be thankful it wasn't anyone you know. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 2:58:13 PM |
This sick SOB would have went off his rocker and killed innocent people with or without gun control.
msg 35...i never said i agreed with the person...as a matter of fact i can't stand talking to the woman...and actually gave up trying to have an intelligent conversation with her many many many moons ago...
just thought the thing about gun control would surface thru some of this terrible tragedy...
i like a lot of your posts...i don't often agree with a lot of them, but i like reading them..
my apology to you on this one since it probably was out of place in light of the events today...my comment on todays events are still the same they were several hours ago:
what a scary thing | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:07:55 PM | | Accepted. I may have been a little out of line myself. But have heard enough on these forums disrepecting poor innocent people being killed on 9/11 and today and have it blamed on some wild political agenda. It just cheapens horrible tradgedys. As far as gun control?? I have guns for hunting, and my business relys on other hunters and people with guns. Do I need an AK or Uzi??? No. does anyone? Not really. Alls gun control would do is take guns out of the wrong hands. I guess the Security guards at VA Tech were not allowed to carry guns? Even after an earlier incident of an escaped convicted walking on campus with gun in hand? Gun control advocates never post someone defending thereselves against and probably saving their life because they had a firearm. Always the negative. I can only offer my condolences to the Families, and know that is what Bush was doing, not using it as some photo op, or election angle. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:13:54 PM | hey...i'm all for guns...in the right place...in a business i used to be in many of my clients thru the north have fantastic gun collections...wall to wall collections....and a whole bunch hidden away in basement cellars to hide from our so called 'gun-police' like our new 'smoking-police'...they never shot anybody...although they all wanted to shoot the moron that cost us millions starting up this screwed up gun registry program they tried to get off the ground a few years ago
in all these towns in northwest ontario up above minnesota, no one could ever remember anyone in those parts ever shooting anyone...maybe the odd bear or cougar or timberwolf but nope, no humans | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:15:25 PM | I am sickened by the news. I have had a hard time working today because I have kept the TV on and every time there is an up date I want to see what more is known about this tragic event. It is so senseless and such a waste of young, productive, promising lives.
I can not imagine what parents, loved ones and friends are going through now waiting on news as to who the victims are. I pray that they will be given the strength needed to get through this. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:18:09 PM | | Predictably some loser starts shooting people and as usual the liberals are blaming the tool rather then the guy using it.Canada has some of the toughest gun laws in the world and it did nothing to prevent our school shootings.The reason this puke killed as many as he did was cause the cops screwed up.Plus they take a week to enter a building by then its over.Armed security is a good idea,kinda ironic huh? takes a man with a gun to handle a man with a gun and yet guns are bad right? evetually people will wake up and start looking at the reasons why people are becoming sociopathic killers rather then blaming the gun,knife,bomb ect | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:22:24 PM | | I don't blame the gun...I blame the morons who think it's ok to give 'em to just anybody...anything to make a buck.... | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:23:07 PM | | No huge collection here..lol Just a couple shotguns for birds. But would i hesitate to use it on someone intent on breaking into my home or harming me...nope. Would i object to someone taking my guns away..yup. I do think that handguns are way to easy to get, and penalties should be stiffer for those obtaining them when they aren't supposed to have them. But for the overall problem, it would be better served to recognize mental instabilty by people and be more agressive in treating it. I find it hard to believe that this guy was a normal well adjusted dude that just flipped because his girlfriend dumped him. The two guys at columbine , made videos etc...and did everything but hold up a neon sign saying they were capable of doing something tragic. And the parents or system did nothing. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:36:59 PM | Predictably some loser starts shooting people and as usual the liberals are blaming the tool rather then the guy using it.
I've always said "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" And it's true...but the point is, guns are way too easily ecxessible in the US.
Canada has some of the toughest gun laws in the world and it did nothing to prevent our school shootings
If someone wants something, they'll do whatever they can to get it. Point is, if they are going to, make their hunt harder. And let's not even get into comparing the statistics of gun related deaths between Canada and the US, or better yet, the unregistered to registered gun related deaths. One major city alone in the US has more gun related deaths in one year, than Canada as a whole does in 5. Canada has extreme gun laws, the US has hardly any. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to do the math on that.
The reason this puke killed as many as he did was cause the cops screwed up
I agree, there was a lapse of 2 hrs and 15 minutes between shootings.
The two guys at columbine , made videos etc...and did everything but hold up a neon sign saying they were capable of doing something tragic
If you followed that incident in the months/years to follow, any videos, drawings, maps, etc were well hidden. You can't always blame the parents. Infact 95% of the time I don't think you can. Just as a drug user hides his drugs, those with plans to blow things up or take a gun into a situation, don't generally leave it all laying in the open. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:37:35 PM | This is the reason I believe everyone, at the age of 18 should be issued a weapon by the government, and trained to use it. EVERYONE! Once some bastid comes into a place and whips out his firearm, intending to shoot everyone, he would be looking back at many more fully locked and loaded of the same. Trained on them in the hands of capable individuals. Yeah, there would be a lot of idiots that would need to be weeded out of the mix. But having an armed population would deter random acts of violence such as this. Do you think this fellow would have killed 32 people if there would have been more armed individuals present?
NO. 1 or 2 people, and he would have been killed or detained. Actually, I don't think he would have made the attempt, knowing that he was walking into a situation that he could not win.
So yes, TO SECURE PEACE IS TO PREPARE FOR WAR.
I realize that alot will disagree, and that is OK. This is just my opinion.
And yes, I am armed to the teeth, and a well trained, responsible gun owner.
All of those families, and loved ones who have been affected....Words can't express the sorrow.
Ke Akua Me Ke Aloha
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:42:36 PM | When I went to grade school, only 30 plus years ago we started the day with
the Lord's prayer... I will supply it for you because some Anti Christs were sucessful in banning it from schools and you may not have ever heard it.
Our Father who art in Heaven, hallo it by thy name, they kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trepass against us, and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one. for thine is the power and the honor and the glory for ever and ever amen.
When this prayer started the school day, just a few decades ago...the biggest problem teachers had was gun chewing.
Perhaps, they shouldn't have banned God! because there doesn't seem to be anyone protecting our children from the evil one anymore.
God, I pray you be with those familes.
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:45:01 PM | They could have been his fathers guns, his uncles guns. He could have stolen them from the next door neighbor. He could have got them on the street. Who knows.
This act was carried out by someone who for whatever reason reached their tipping point and snapped.
None of us including myself has the answers as to why.
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:52:56 PM |
The reason this puke killed as many as he did was cause the cops screwed up
I agree, there was a lapse of 2 hrs and 15 minutes between shootings.
I couldn't disagree more. It irritates me when people speak as though cops have superpowers that they simply opted not to use. From what I've heard, there was no reason to believe a massacre was about to take place after the initial shootings happened, especially if the first shooting was in fact a boyfriend/ex looking for his girlfriend. Hindsight makes everything SO obvious. The blame lies with the shooter and the shooter alone. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:53:47 PM | I'm a Virginia Tech graduate, this hits close to home for me. I had a lot of classes in that building...and it may be some of my professors who are dead. Plus, it might be some of the kids of friends/acquaintances...so this may hit me even closer.
I haven't read all three pages...but I did see a lot of petty bickering about gun laws and a lot of other BS. Please wait...we have some things to work through....just everyone shut up trying to put your own political spin on this. It's complicated....I'm getting first-hand and second-hand reports...it's complicated...let's wait before we choose to make this our pet political project. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 3:58:25 PM |
When I went to grade school, only 30 plus years ago we started the day with
the Lord's prayer... I will supply it for you because some Anti Christs were sucessful in banning it from schools and you may not have ever heard it.
How about asking your god why it allowed this to happen? You're clearly not praying hard enough. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:08:49 PM | OH MY GOD! I'm REALLY, REALLY scared-- I'm agreeing with RK92559 on something. This sick SOB would have gone off his rocker and killed these poor people, with or without gun control. Where there's a will, there's a way.
But I also have to agree with the other posters who have said that it was ill-timed for "President Bombs Alot" (good one Syl ) to re-assure the NRA that they still have his support. I'll take it three steps further and say that it was downright heartless, calus, and stupid.
Like everyone else, my heart breaks for these young people and their families. My heart also breaks for the family of the gunman. They are victims of his horrible act
just like the families of those that he killed.
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:09:37 PM | My cousin got the call early this morning. His daughter was okay, but didn't want to drive home. More, she really wanted her daddy! We are lucky, knowing as we watch she is home with her family.
Gun control laws? As long as there are laws, there will be people who break them, so tighter laws isn't the answer. We'll never know the answer, as we can't see into the minds of the people pulling the trigger. We can't know how the idea forms, how they put their plan in motion, if this is a plan or a spur of the moment action. All we can do is grieve, hope and pray. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:11:10 PM | It will come out, in the future, that "someone" knew that this was going to happen. "I didn't think he meant it" or "I didn't think he'd actually do it" will start coming over the airwaves from people who will harbour the guilt of not coming forward with the information. Someone ALWAYS knows. Somewhere on the net- some friend somewhere...
I'm a police advocate and sympathizer- they go do their calls just like we do... one minute you're going to a noise complaint and the next minute you're going to a university campus where 33 people have been murdered, same wounded and the guy is still running around shooting people. Guess who gets to go in there and get him? Yup, that's right... the "fawkin pigs."
I'll bet the people cowering underneath their desks weren't calling them pigs. I think maybe a few people should remember that.
My deepest sympathies do reach out to anyone in here who has been touched by this tragedy. How about we take our debate hats off (because it's not going to change anything) and just appreciate the fact that we are still here. And go give your kids a hug. And if you don't have kids, call your parents. And if your parents are no longer with us, call a friend.
Eno. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:15:44 PM | | Anyone that does have family and/or friends there, I hope they are safe... | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:17:04 PM | What gets me more than anything is the fact that people died a few hours before in another building, and people weren't alarming people to it, and calling school off. A bomb threat school gets called off, but hey a few kids dead. No biggy let still have school. (What kind of people are in charge over there.) (They should of had a alarm system for events like that, and have it ring out loud all over for people to hide and get out. That would of saved lives.)
Everyone will be going on, and on about gun laws now. (The guns don't kill people, people do. If its not a gun it will be a knife are poision, are bombs, and so on.)
In the U.S.A. mostly kids are doing the killing,(Because they have problems they don't know how to deal with.) where other places its older people mostly.
If the person is older, it wont suprise me. Chances are it would be someone older sooner are later.
Its all just sad, and ashame it happened. Lets hope schools set up a system that is loud, and sends the kids out fast and hiding. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:25:29 PM | I agree with dave30076 ~
just everyone shut up trying to put your own political spin on this.
While most of the posters here express concern, condolences, etc.. I can't help but think there are a good many posters who just like to see themselves type/hear themselves talk. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:29:01 PM | care bear:\
If tougher gun law can save just one life, it is worth it, I cannot understand the right to own a machine gun. I am not saying no one should own a gun, but do we realy ned such weapons? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:37:06 PM | i don't understand what would make an individual line people up and shoot them.
once we figure that out as humans maybe that will allow us to evolve to a point where we don't need guns or violence.
why does this keep happening over and over!!
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Posted: 4/16/2007 4:43:47 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
let me give you a reason we are seeing this..................
-a teenage boy spends hours of his life playing modern ultra violent video games.
like 'DOOM'---'grand theft auto'---50 cents video game 'bulletproof' etc.
these games are basically 3-d shoot out similators......
-maybe he smokes a little bit of pot and goes and plays his ultra violent video game
-the images start to seep further into his subconsous
-he becomes desensitized to the idea of killing | |
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