| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 6:50:30 PM | | Is it just me, or are all these school shooters white Christian men? What are the stats on this? Anybody? | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 6:50:52 PM | guitarman eh
that is great what Canada has done with no guns.
This happened in America .You cant say what works for one country will necessarily work for another. America was built with the right to carry a gun .Its part of the Country.Maybe even in our constitution.A person should have a right to carry one and defend him/herself
Do you really think just because you carry a gun you would become a person wanting to shoot someone.It"s called self defense.I have never owned a gun,but with how the world is becoming I might have to buy one ......ya'll | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 6:54:48 PM |
When is America going to change gun laws? How many more innocents will be slaughtered until the USA will recognize there's a 'problem' ?
America has a problem with black men robbing and murdering other people. How many innocents will be slaughtered until the USA changes laws regarding black men?
America has a problem with white men murdering their very WIVES. How many innocents will be slaughtered until the USA changes laws regarding white men?
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 6:57:37 PM |
Is it just me, or are all these school shooters white Christian men?
In this country, gun control laws are not enforced upon white people until they commit a crime with a gun.
In many places a white person can get caught carrying a firearm in violation of the law, and they only get a warning...and their gun back.
In some places, like Chicago, a white person with the right connections can drive drunk, spit at a police officer, be found in possession of a handgun with the SERIAL NUMBERS FILED OFF, and then walk...with the gun.
Michael | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:01:04 PM | twdfish>>> "...Do you really think just because you carry a gun you would become a person wanting to shoot someone.It"s called self defense..."
If someone is carrying a gun.... it could also end up being called a crime of passion. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:01:51 PM |
With that kind of attitude, why have laws in the first place!
To punish people who hurt other people.
Murder hurts other people.
Possession of firearms does not hurt other people.
Michael | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:02:41 PM | I'm just so PROUD of everyone here.
We have a tragedy. We don't even know who will live or die. Yet, we have so many armchair idiots here second-guessing everything. Why there wasn't a magic way to protect all 30,000 students...some on buses, some in cars, some in classrooms, some out in the open, some in the dorms, some in their off-campus apartments.
We have a truckload of whiners using this to bolster their anti-gun or pro-gun platforms.
We have HOW many people playing the blame game.
Meanwhile those of us who are part of the larger Virginia Tech community are still trying to find out who lived and who died.
Thank you, everyone. | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:03:17 PM |
If someone is carrying a gun.... it could also end up being called a crime of passion.
If your house gets burgled, better file the report online or by telephone. Who knows if someone at the police station might commit a crime of passion?
Michael | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:05:44 PM | My deepest condolences to all involved and affected. It a tragedy that this is still happening, and the death toll just keeps getting higher.
What could have caused this? Guns, bullying, parents, mental health. Probably ALL of it.
I think for the most part though, that western societies are sacrificing our humanness for technological advances. We are greedy creatures and want all the creature comforts and are sacrificing our well being for it. Our children are also now living in technological bubbles. My sons school letter asked (JK): Does your child watch more then 40 hours a week? WTF.. I made a funny comment on this to the secretary and she said sadly that it is most often marked off. WTF again ..how the hell can that happen? I can't even do that!! Then while sitting there isolated from activity or people (for the most part I would think) they are bombarded with violence, sex, you name it. Then they grow up sinking deeper and deeper into this addiction. Society doesn't even promote healthiness as everyday life, its an alternative for the consumer whore lifestyle.
We are just losing touch with everything we should be holding onto for dear life. Our planet, environment, children, and the simple things..
Who now can spend an entire day with their kids, self, others, without having something to plug in and distract you from real life?? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:13:43 PM | Well Dave...we are truly sorry for your loss, and arguing anything right now seems very small.
But ya know what??,,,,this is a forum. Designed for people that want to speak...right or wrong.
I can no longer whatch the endless news casts, with reporters asking the same questions over and over and see those poor kids carried out of the buildings. It just makes you feel more helpless. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:14:37 PM |
Is it just me, or are all these school shooters white Christian men?
It's just you. You obviously haven't been listening to the news as this was an Asian man.
et me give you a reason we are seeing this..................
-a teenage boy spends hours of his life playing modern ultra violent video games.
like 'DOOM'---'grand theft auto'---50 cents video game 'bulletproof' etc.
these games are basically 3-d shoot out similators......
That doesn't hold water. How do you explain school massacres and other mass murders before the advent of video games? Until now, the worst school shooting was the tower sniper in Texas. Hard to blame that one on violent video games considering it was 1960's.
where I live in Canada......when someone freaks out,he might stab one person,maybe 2.....because guns are not available like chewing tabacco and a 6-pack of beer.....
Ever heard of archery? And a crossbow is just as easy to aim as a firearm. If there's a will, there's a way. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:19:56 PM | semper vera >>> "...et me give you a reason we are seeing this..................
-a teenage boy spends hours of his life playing modern ultra violent video games.
like 'DOOM'---'grand theft auto'---50 cents video game 'bulletproof' etc.
these games are basically 3-d shoot out similators...... "
My 17 yr son plays those games and he has joined the p/t military police reserves gaining experience for a solid police career to help people....... there goes that theory huh!!! | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:25:22 PM |
"Rage as we know it today did not exist when Ronald Reagan took power in 1981. The word stress had a far less lethal meaning then.
Right. We lived in the garden of Eden and Reagan invited the serpent. Gimme a break.
Before Reagan, there was no such thing as “going postal” or schoolyard rampage murders. It all started with his reign and his revolution.
Pure nonsense. School massacres were taking place long before Reagan was elected.
It's a fascinating Foucauldian/Marxist perspective, but - like much from Marx and Foucault - just does not stand up to the facts in the real world.
He shot between 50-100 rounds. I doubt he shot all of the clips he was carrying (vest was full of them, typical clip (depends on weapon) carries say, 12-20 rounds. He was carrying two guns.
Why didn't anybody jump him when he was reloading?
Easy to talk big, isn't it? Ever been in that situation?
I find it particularly amusing that you yourself say he had two guns *immediately* before asking such an inane question. This guy knew what he was doing; do you think he would have emptied both guns at the same time? Of course not. So there would be no point at which he could not shoot anyone who moved on him.
At least some students had the sense to see what the noise was ..and then act quickly to shut the doors and re-enforce them with tables/podium, when he tried to enter classrooms. Those rooms had shots fired into them, but no one was killed.
According to one of the girls interviewed, they tried to block the door, he shot through the door, forced his way in, and started shooting people. Only 4 or 5 people walked out of that classroom, the rest were dead or dying.
Man, people second-guessing the cops, second guessing the victims. Apparently it's too bad they weren't down there because they could have done so much better and nobody would have been killed. Gimme a break. Don't even know all the facts and already placing blame. And blaming the victims is just despicable.
sv | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:26:38 PM | I'm just so PROUD of everyone here.
We have a tragedy. We don't even know who will live or die. Yet, we have so many armchair idiots here second-guessing everything. Why there wasn't a magic way to protect all 30,000 students...some on buses, some in cars, some in classrooms, some out in the open, some in the dorms, some in their off-campus apartments.
We have a truckload of whiners using this to bolster their anti-gun or pro-gun platforms.
We have HOW many people playing the blame game.
Meanwhile those of us who are part of the larger Virginia Tech community are still trying to find out who lived and who died.
Thank you, everyone.
Im sorry for what your community and yourself have had to endure. You must feel... I couldn't imagine, so I wont get offended and blast you for your comment. (hope no one else does either) I hope that you, your community, everyone can take this, can unite and DO something about it instead of playing the blame game, (Which mind you only comes naturally when dealing with grief) until it happens again.
But what? Maybe you (being from there ) could keep us informed as to what is going on down there, then maybe echo your efforts wherever we are.. ANYTHING...
As for now you all I can do is draw attention to this and send you my prayers.. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:28:01 PM |
And a crossbow is just as easy to aim as a firearm.
If simple machine tools can be used to make Sten guns, a typical high school woodshop can churn out auto-loading crossbows.
Michael | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:29:34 PM | In another forum, it was mentioned by someone who read on Facebook that the killer was Asian.....and he has (still up) a site. I had a gander and I'll just say no shocker....if indeed this is the person in question. That post was removed so I'm not going to post a link but ..........my restrictions are off for a bit.
Judging by the hit meter on top, the word has gotten out fast.
No takers.....oh well | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:30:10 PM | it seems to me that every year their is a tragedy on or near april 20 week 4/20
is this actualy hitlers birthday in some sick tribute to him. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:30:49 PM |
I'm sorry, but when a bank offers you a free gun when you open up a bank account, I'd say there is a real problem with the leniancy of guns, wouldn't you? And altho I did see that on Michael Moores Coumbine, I also have an Uncle that lives in Pennsylvania (he hunts) that walked into a bank and got a gun from opening an account, so I'm not just "going with hype" on the issue.
Agreed. Getting a free gun just for opening a bank account is pretty f***ed up. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:32:48 PM |
I love how people just jump right past the issue. How hard is it to understand that if 100 people (who want guns) in one city have easy access to guns and 100 people (who want guns) in another city, have a real hard time getting their hands on them...that one group of people will have more guns than the other? Did I say it's the only solution? No...so don't assume that I did. Stricter laws to purchase, to possess, to maintain, etc is what's needed....to start. Than move on from there. I'm sorry, but when a bank offers you a free gun when you open up a bank account, I'd say there is a real problem with the leniancy of guns, wouldn't you? And altho I did see that on Michael Moores Coumbine, I also have an Uncle that lives in Pennsylvania (he hunts) that walked into a bank and got a gun from opening an account, so I'm not just "going with hype" on the issue.
If my mans 11- year -old brother is runnin' around with a .357 he got from Jose up the block who lives in apt 5D then...
what makes you think that making firearms “harder to get” is going to stem the violence in the United States?
Please... | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:34:11 PM |
PLEASE tell me how many people walk around not only committing murder with bricks, but can also wipe out 10...15..or 33 people? Seriously, who's the ignorant one?
You missed the point. If you want to kill someone, anything is a potential murder weapon. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:35:19 PM | Shooter is believe to be an asian male in his 20s. And that he murdered his GF who he caught with another guy then went on a rampage.
Also that Said Shooter is a student studying in the US from Shanghai China.
no clear facts yet | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:36:01 PM |
Exactly. It's not the point that violence doesn't exsist, because it does...EVERYWHERE. But when violence occurs, it's natural to reach for the first weapon at hand...and if guns are that accessible, and it's there, what do you think a person will choose? I can't even remember the last time someone died in my city from a gun shot wound..hell I can even remember the last time I heard of someone being shot.
Word, so i guess you want a "war on firearms," right? Just like the war on drugs was a huge success, right?
If people want guns, they gon' get em' regardless.
The root of the problem here isn't access to firearms,
It's the moral degradation of society as a whole. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:48:05 PM | http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=va#juvsale
here are some exerpts from
VIRGINIA STATE GUN LAWS (see the link above for more details)
JUVENILE SALE
Is it illegal to sell guns to kids? Partial
State law restricts selling or giving handguns to juveniles under 18, and other firearms to juveniles under 12. There are no limits on selling or giving kids 12 or older rifles, shotguns or even assault weapons - without even parental permission
JUVENILE POSSESSION
Are minors restricted from possessing guns? Partial
State law restricts juveniles under 18 from possessing handguns or assault weapons without parental permission or authorized supervision. But there are no restrictions on juveniles possessing other rifles or shotguns.
LICENSE OR PERMIT TO PURCHASE
Is a license/permit required to buy handguns? No
No state requirement that handgun buyers obtain a handgun license or undergo any type of safety training prior to buying a handgun. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 7:50:41 PM | When will all this violence stop?
When will we be able to go a day without hearing news like this?
It's beyond words to think that all those people said "I love you" or "See you later" to their loved ones for the last time.
Even worst are the ones who didn't get to say anything at all.
I pray that their families will find some peace amist all this tragedy. | |
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