| Randy Moss traded to the Patriots
Posted: 4/30/2007 10:19:30 PM | | Don't count on that and don't count on Moss giving N.E their glory back. The rest of the league has caught up with Belichick and his schemes. They may win their division, but thats about all. | |
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| Randy Moss traded to the Patriots
Posted: 5/1/2007 5:19:57 AM | "Parcell has retired because he did not want to put up with "T.O's sh*t""
And you know this how?....He didn't even have a press conference when he quit. He gave no reasons for his departure.....but I doubt it was just b/c of TO....had more to do with Jerry Jones meddling than anything else.
I'm sure Belichik did talk to him but we won't really know how he'll behave until the season starts. Wait until he thinks he's not getting the ball enough.
No point in debating this further with you. It's clear you think the sun shines out of Belichik and Brady's ass, so your inablity to objectively discuss your team makes this pointless.
Moss has been a whiny, selfish prima donna everywhere he's been....until I see different...I'm going to assume he will remain so.
"For Merriweather, the guy is young and has a lot to learn. Everybody deserves a second chance. There are a lot of veterans that will show him the right direction."
Remember you said that the first time he hits someone late or out of bounds and gives the opposing offense a first down. He's a thug and will prove it just as fast as Pacman & Sean Taylor did. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 6:58:42 AM | The proof is in the pudding my friend.
I will remember this conversation we had, so I will postively remind you at the beginning, mid, and end of the season.
For Parcell, he is a control freak and he lost all control with T.O. Don't you know this? You think he retired because it was time to hang his coat. I don't think so. Of course he's not going to have a press conference and say "I am retire because of T.O." He is a professional and he was just tired of dealing with the crazieness in the locker room.
Also, it is not my "inabilty" to debate, it is your arrogance. | |
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| Randy Moss traded to the Patriots
Posted: 5/1/2007 7:18:17 AM | "Also, it is not my "inabilty" to debate, it is your arrogance"
My arrogance? I'm not the one proclaiming my team the Super Bowl winner in May. I'm not the one who claims to have access to the inner workings of Parcells mind. He's 60 some years old and had been in Dallas 4 years, without a playoff win and no closer to getting back to the super Bowl than when he got there. That is my opinion on why he quit.
We will see...........my guess is you won't be around to admit you were wrong. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 7:40:09 AM | | guys like bill parcells don't let guys like terrell owens dictate whether they work or not. my guess, and it's only that, is he just wanted to retire. period. if the cowboys had shown some promise MAYBE he would have stuck around. but its a job that give you maybe 4-6 weeks off a year. it a grind no matter how old you are let alone a guy his age. i'm surprised he stuck it out this long with jerry jones. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 8:19:50 AM | Well of course, I have confidence in my team. Aren't you a Dolphins fan? You had more dissappointments than contentment. I have been there before when we use to lose all the time and I know you are tired of seeing the Pats win, but I' m not. You are making tons of excuses to watch them fall. While I just being optimistic. I base it on statistics.
Dillion: He moaned his way out of Cincy. Belichick took a chance and he was right.
Branch: Wanted a big paycheck, so we traded him to Seattle for 1st pick. He only avg. about 50 yards a game and we made it to the AFC championship without Branch.
Milloy: Didn't want a paycut, so we released him. He never recovered to be a probowler and horrible seasons with Buffalo and Atlanta.
Vinartieri: He is still good, but miss a FG in the SB. We got Gostkowski replacing the superstar and went 8-8 in the playoffs. Including a 50 yd and 43 yd to win against SD. This is still to be determine.
With Parcell, I have several books on Parcell and I have idea on the way he thinks. He is a very selfish man. When he has no control, he quits the job. He has done it to the Pats, Jets, and Cowboys. Not so much for the Jets. He has no loyalty.
When he was coaching for the Pats and took them to the SuperBowl. He was talking to the Jets prior to the SuperBowl game. We lost the SuperBowl because of his ways. Not everything should be in position towards Parcell because it was the players that were playing the game....but it was on the player's minds.
You will hear from me and you will be gnashing your teeth. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 8:41:12 AM | "You had more dissappointments than contentment. I have been there before when we use to lose all the time and I know you are tired of seeing the Pats win, but I' m not. You are making tons of excuses to watch them fall. While I just being optimistic. I base it on statistics."
I wouldn't exactly say the Dolphins have been disappointments to me. I'm a little older than you so I rememeber Miami's two SB wins and 5 appearences. I rememeber that even the year we went 4-12 we still split with the Pats. I remember that the Pats are 33-47 all time v. Miami. I remember that the Dolphins have the best regular season won-loss record of any team in the 4 major sports since 1970(at least thru 2003-haven't checked lately). I remember that Miami has had only 4 losing seasons since 1970....so no....i'm not disappointed.
All the moves you mentioned were good ones(except for Viniteri) but as the financial ads say...past performance is not indicative of future results. I know how you feel.....I rationalized the same way when Miami got Ricky Williams. But you can't buy a championship....and when you take a locker room with great chemistry and throw a meatball like Moss in the mix....it's a huge risk.
Can't wait until football season. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 8:50:26 AM | | Moss has never been a great route runner. This might change at NE, since it'll be expected for him to work harder. And if his routes become more polished, especially his short and medium route running, then Moss will be a great weapon anywhere on the field, instead of being one dimensional. If not, then the Pats still have one hell of a weapon that can stretch the field. Either way, the Pats' offense is a bit better. It could be a lot better if Moss runs his routes well. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 11:08:37 AM | "his short and medium route running"
Never happen....know why?...many of the short to intermediate routes require a reciever to cross the middle of the field. He might get hit if he runs those so you can forget about him making the tough catch over the middle. Randy cares about Randy....that's all he's ever cared about. If he loved the game the way some of the Pats do, this might work.
As it is.....i'll be chuckling to myself every time he alligator arms one with a defender breathing down his neck. The running game will suffer because he blocks(when he does it at all)like a schoolgirl.
He's thirty. I'll give the Pats the benefit of the doubt drafting the Hurricane thug because he is just a kid. But by the time we are thirty....we are what we are. And Moss is a lazy, selfish punk...and nothing Belichik can do will change it.
I'm curious....would the Pats fans be saying how good Moss is and how he'll change if he'd gone to the Jets. Of course not....they'd be ripping the Jets for signing this loser and would be saying what a dumb trade it was. But since the Pats got him, now he's a good guy who deserves a second chance and who Belichik will take under his wing and mold him into a fine citizen and a hard working player. Give me a break. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 12:40:38 PM | | i'll submit this: many short and medium routes are timing routes as well. and with the new group of receivers the pats have. they will all need to spend as much time with brady as they can. and even then these guys will be hard pressed to be on the same page. a couple of overthrows here a dropped pass there, a wrong route mixed in. a little bit of pissing and moaning...........you get the idea. these could be some painful times for the smug pats fans. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 12:51:38 PM | | I really think that Moss is going to do well in New England. Having Brady will make Moss appreciate having the best QB and he will not want to leave. I look for a breakout year from Moss and the Pats are an AFC fav with all of the other moves that they made. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 3:37:05 PM | How about if Miami Dolphins would have trade to get him? I know you the Dolphin fan would have praised him too. I am certain you would have a different view on this.
The only way we can have some closure on this discussion is to wait and see. See if Moss becomes disruptive to the team. I am confident that he will change. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 9:25:55 PM | Moss's athletic ability has never been his downfall be it run support or route running for as any gifted athlete he has the ability to make-up for any shortfall with his ability for great plays...think the Vikings cared when he would slack on a button hook on one play and catch a 60 yarder on the next...what Moss has been and will continue to be is a cancer with all New England has done to bolster its recieving corps is only going to hasten his affect the honeymoon will be very short lived...you really believe Carter retired from the Vikings because he was feeling old and done was he not done chasing Rice's record...he ( Moss) was then re-born in Oakland knowing they had a QB problem and admitting he did not go all out when he did not feel like it...aka...admission in Minnisota " I play when I want to play "...but after 9 years he will now become the man, not player, that he has never been....good luck fans but would hate to be in that locker room during the upcoming season...Owens is Owens but then again Moss is a flavor of a different kind but cancer is cancer...food for thought Oakland has been the wasteland for the bad boys of the NFL...the end of the end for their careers...kinda strange a team would dip into that pool of talent...I am so proud of the fact that win or lose that character still matters and is a steadfast tradition with my team good luck to all and Go Steelers wish the season started tomorrow! | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 5:23:14 AM | "How about if Miami Dolphins would have trade to get him? I know you the Dolphin fan would have praised him too. I am certain you would have a different view on this."
You'd be wrong. There were some rumors of Moss going to Miami at the end of the season. It made me ill. I'll be disappointed too, if they allow Ricky Williams back in Miami and i'm ashamed they signed that slug, Marcus Vick, last year. I am a dedicated fan but that doesn't mean I adore every move they make....and you'll never hear me praise any of these guys. Guys like Moss, TO, and Vick are the poster children for the spoiled selfish millionaire athlete. They are a disgrace to the league.
I don't alter my opinion of a guy based on whether or not he plays for my team. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 6:48:06 AM | Well, you tried to make a case if NY Jets would have traded for Moss that all NE Pats fans would have been "ripping" the Jets. Maybe, I would say so too. For the reason that Mangini has not demonstrated enough in the NFL he has the ability to change a player. He did have a great year.
However, because Belichick has shown several times when he brings in a player that he has the capability to make the player better.
The Patriots have a system that every player that puts on a silver helmet are graded into "our kind of guy". By age, either too young or too old. Injury problems. Character concerns, plays, etc.... I am not sure how they work it, but it obvious that it is working. I believe the Pats did do their research and knowing Moss would be a perfect fit. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 7:17:27 AM | Even the Patriots will sacrifice integrity to win
April 29, 2007
I never want to hear again about the Patriots wanting players with high character. Just like virtually every franchise in the league, it is all about winning for them, nothing else. Trading for Randy Moss says volumes about the priorities of New England and Bill Belichick.
I am not talking here about the off-field Moss, with a separate set of issues. This is all about Moss the player, the guy who quit on the Raiders last year, the guy who wanted out of Oakland so badly that he stopped trying on the field. This is the same Moss who never ever in his career has come remotely close to running out every pass pattern, who never ever has come remotely close to fulfilling every blocking assignment, who never ever has come remotely close to understanding what it takes to be a good teammate, either in the locker room or on the field.
Even when he was a productive star with the Vikings, he was incredibly surly and unpopular with his teammates, a disruptive force with his coaches, a guy who was and still is all about himself. If anything, all that got worse in Oakland.
Now we will hear about how all this will change because he is a Patriot. Bill Belichick won't allow him to loaf. The strong locker room will not allow him to be a jerk. And all that may turn out to be true. For sure, I am convinced Belichick will cut him if he comes to believe Moss is not going to change. The worst that costs the Patriots is a fourth-round pick, a meager price for someone of such immense talent.
But to acquire Moss is an admission by the Patriots that they are so desperate to win another Super Bowl it doesn't matter who mans their roster. If they can play, forget all the baggage. Forget how this reflects on the integrity of the organization. Forget all this stuff about making locker-room chemistry and bringing in players of the highest moral integrity a priority. It's all rubbish. No surprise, really. And that is sad.
from sportingnews.com
This pretty much sums it up for me but I disagree that Belichik will cut him if he acts up. We will see.....just can't see a guy who's been selfish and difficult his entire career changing into a model citizen and player now. Belichik is good but he's not perfect.........folks forget what an enormous disaster his first head coaching stint in Cleveland was. He may be able to make some players(like you mentioned Dillon) change. But I don't believe Moss wants to or is capable of changing. And Belichik has tarnished his legacy in my opinion by stooping to sign such a player in a desperate attempt to win anothe title before the window of opportunity closes. No dynasty is forever. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 3:55:19 PM | | I doubt Randy Moss is the "missing piece" for the Patriots to return to glory. They got him for chump change, a 4th round pick. That says it all to me; he is more trouble than talent; he'll be complaining about playing time and hamstring injuries more than anything else. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 6:17:34 AM | I read the entire thread and instead of trying to quote one person I am just going to give my general overall opinion of all the randomness of this thread.
The Patriots getting Moss will be extreme. He will either play big or they will look like morons. However, the potential Moss brings with him is well worth that of a 4th round pick. That's like the clearance isle, so how could you possibly not try it. Moss just needs to rededicate himself to the game. he's not that old. If he gets himself back to the Viking days, works on his speed, route running, and attitude then hen will be fine. Bellichek is a coach, he can deal with attitudes and frankly the Patriots are a veteran team. The locker room will be controlled.
Brady vs. Manning- both are great quarterbacks. To try to compare which one is greater is like trying to decide if beer or wine is better. It all depends on what you are looking for and at. Purely stats wise would go to Manning. The boy does or will own every record before he is done. he is brilliant and forever working on his game to keep his game at the peak level. Brady the quarterback that knows how to win and get it down. He was never meant to win Superbowls. hell most people never would have picked him to start a NFL game. He has a special magic to him and if you base best QB on winning, that would be him.
Parcells and T.O.- Parcells likes attention. He retires to get attention. However, I would guess the problems in dallas were not with T.O. as much as Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones wants to be the coach and make all the decisions. He just doesn't have the balls to do it. He would rather have a weakminded coach that he can control, thus the Wade Phillips decision. T.O. will always be surrounded by controversy because they media loves him. he can play nice and someone will dig something about him. He made the bed, and now he lies in it. He still is a good wide receiver. he made catches and got his bonus. maybe we need to look and place some Dallas blame on Romo.
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Posted: 6/17/2007 9:03:04 AM | | Number 1 Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL. you get into the hall of fame on championships no stats. Manning has one superbowl Brady has 3 Manning will get in but he will be short of Brady's 5 superbowl titles when all said and done. Pats go back to back again | |
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Posted: 6/17/2007 4:57:38 PM | "Don't count on that and don't count on Moss giving N.E their glory back. The rest of the league has caught up with Belichick and his schemes. They may win their division, but thats about all."
Hahahaha... Patty, you're a funny guy. Do you ever quit drinking?
Some people say that he lost a step. I guess running a 4.29 in the 40 yard dash IS a bit on the slow side; heh????
Personally, I think that Adalius Thomas was the biggest pickup this season for the Pats.
Wes Welker will have a good year, and Donte if healthy, will be the leader for yards. | |
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