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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 11/5/2007 12:48:17 AM | | Yes, English should be required for acutal citizenship itself. Immigration problem will work itself out until we understand demand and supply of labor from Mexico. Citizenship is about understanding and appericating American values, and we to have citizenship tests that include knowledge of the USA consitution, English language, and memorization of the star spagened banner. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 11/5/2007 10:04:24 AM | I know two friends from England who just became citizens of the US. They witnessed a few aliens that were refused because they didn't know basic english (ie....point to the table, were is the clock). Perhaps the government is finally getting smart. Funny how many immigrants don't know the language but can definitely work the system.
Remember Tuesday is election day....bring your photo id
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/7/2007 1:42:59 PM |
33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language June 6, 2007
The following senators voted against making English the official language of America :
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE) Wants to be President?
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY) Wants to be President?
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) Wants to be President?
Domenici (R-NM) Coward, protecting his Senate seat...
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI) Not unusual for him
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) Wanted to be President
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT) Disappointment here.....
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL) Wants to be President?
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) Senate Majority Leader
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-M)
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged."
~ President Abraham Lincoln " Amen "
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Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your pledge of allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator... impeachment, recall, or other appropriate action is warrented.
Worse, 4 of you voting against English as America 's official language are presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd, and Senator Obama
Is this for real ??? | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/7/2007 2:43:11 PM | I think if you sincerely want to join a community you would want to be able to communicate... so I don't have any issues with making it a requirement.
Just as I don't see any problem with a business insisting that it's employees be able to speak the language most commonly spoken by their customers/clients. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/8/2007 1:02:48 AM | I'm thinking of the number of jobs that you CANT get in Austrlalia or America unless you speak a specific second language. I beleive its Sanish in Floridia, in Cairns its Cantonese or Japanese, in Melbourne Vietnamiese.
So yes! I don't think it would be an unreasonable demand.
I've had several friends who have gone on working holidays to Singapore or Hong Kong for six months. (Remember that English is an extremely popular second languagein both places.) and come back speaking the local language. And remember that these guys had no intenton of any permanant settlement. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/8/2007 3:10:08 PM | We have people living and working in our community for 15 plus years, that still need interpreters. Something is wrong with that picture......don'tcha think?
And for me to go into Walmart and have to ask the clerk to speak English and be told...."Oh, I don't speak English, only speak Spanish. I feel sorry for you that you dont understand Spanish." is bull shit..... | |
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nagyi
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Joined: 11/5/2007
Msg: 183 | |
| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:47:36 AM | | FLUENT English???????? You ever did learn another language????????? Try first and come back and tell me your second language is FLUENT!!!!!!!!! everybody talking a lot from the immigrant people.How come when i pickup the phone right a way telling me, if you speak English push one ,if you .......even the goverment used the some things.....I'm from Hungary i didn't speak English when i come to the USA.I had to work hard to put food on table .I learn English from the poeple and try to learn writing to{I KNOW I NEED MORE TIME} don't gave chance anybody to used they own language,make them to learn English even is not FLUENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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nagyi
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Joined: 11/5/2007
Msg: 184 | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/10/2007 11:56:18 AM | English should be required if it were the official language of the USA.
as far as i know USA does not have any language recognised as official, so why should a foreigner be forced to speak a language having any official status?
and i add that Americans should learn proper English before wanting others to learn it | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/10/2007 1:33:42 PM |
We have people living and working in our community for 15 plus years, that still need interpreters. Something is wrong with that picture......don'tcha think? Not at all. If you live in a community that allows you to speak your native tongue on a daily basis, the chances of you speaking another language is slim. So the larger the community, the longer it will take to be fluent, that is if you ever become fluent. It's called human nature.
I agree that it's in their own best interest to learn another language, but that thought goes both way for me. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/10/2007 2:24:37 PM | English has always been the accepted/predominant language of the USA. Was there ever a problem until we had people relocating here, that did not work to assimilate? NO.
If I CHOOSE to relocate to say Korea, I expect that it is my responsibility to learn Korean to be able to function with less difficulty. It is not Koreans place to go out of their way to accommodate me, I am the foreigner in THEIR COUNTRY. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 12/10/2007 3:25:32 PM |
English has always been the accepted/predominant language of the USA. Always? What's your point? I believe people in your country are free no? Free to do as they please and think as they please? Are people free to speak what language they please or is that too much of a stretch?
If I CHOOSE to relocate to say Korea, I expect that it is my responsibility to learn Korean to be able to function with less difficulty. It is not Koreans place to go out of their way to accommodate me, I am the foreigner in THEIR COUNTRY. I have done exactly as you state (except it wasn't Korea), but that said, I learned my second language quite easily when I was a youngster, but despite my parents best efforts for 6 years, they could never quite grasp it.
So again, while I agree that it's in your best interest to learn another language, it's not as easy as you might think, especially if you're a unilingual adult to start and live in a community that speaks your native tongue. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/1/2008 12:35:40 PM | | Just as I wouldn't expect another country to learn my language for my benefit, anyone who migrates here shouldn't expect AMERICAns to learn their language and become a subclass. My ancestors came to America and learned the language of the land - it was their duty to do so when they left their birth country in favor of a new life here in America. The intent wasn't to change the American way, but to be a part of it. | |
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bimm
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Joined: 11/12/2007
Msg: 193 | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/3/2008 1:05:38 AM | Yes, English should be the primary language of the USA and be required for citizenship and even for long term residency.
I think people are too damn PC and coddle people too damn much and make everything in every language instead of making people function in society. I would expect no less when I go to another country.
I was really awakened to this when I went to a San Diego Padres game a few years ago and the entire opening ceremonies was done in English and Spanish, WTF!
Not at all. If you live in a community that allows you to speak your native tongue on a daily basis, the chances of you speaking another language is slim. So the larger the community, the longer it will take to be fluent, that is if you ever become fluent. It's called human nature.
Maybe it was different in California but when I grew up these communities were non existent. Everyone mixed with each other and people where here to be citizens and fit into the culture of the USA as it was revered back then.
Now it seems entire communities of one culture and one language are becoming the norm and it seems the desire to be a citizen is gone too along with the desire to fit into the culture. They want to make comfortable havens instead of becoming Americans. I just don't get that at all!
Just my 2 cents. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:03:56 PM | | My parents moved my family from Finland to Canada in 1969 and they spoke very poor english but they knew enough to learn the language so that they would not be ostracized and treated as less than they were. I remember my mother when I was child used to ask me what that word meant and what this word meant. I thought it was important that they used to say ( to their finnish guests ) speak english ! | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/5/2008 5:37:49 AM | Canada has 2 official languages, English and French, try finding someone that speaks either times...
Hey if you're vacationing that's great, but I mean how do you expect to be able to work efficiently or even function within society if you don't speak the common language of the area?
AlsoQuebec should be forced to learn English more since the rest of Canada needs to learn mandatory French.
Really all I'm gettin at is if I went to China, India or somewhere like it, I doubt they'd be impressed if I was speaking english to them expecting them to understand me. | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/5/2008 6:50:46 AM | Since a single language is a needed necessity to harmonize a community (Nation), then Yes English should be mandatory... If people want to learn or have prior knowledge of a second language then that's good for them and shouldn't be frowned upon. But we as a society shouldn't have to have our box of frosted flakes labeled in ten different languages because someone doesn't want to learn the language of the nation they choose to live in. By not having a community geared to a one tier language over complicates things and makes it more difficult for everyone concerned and also adds endorsement to keeping ethnicities divided when unity would better serve everyone's interest.
1. If science and medicine was smart enough to adopt Latin...
2. Nations of the world early on seeing the need for safer air travel adopted English as the default language so that pilots and Air traffic control would always have a way to communicate.
3. Even the Automobile industry realized that the need for uniformity, that's why no matter where you go in the world or on which side the sterring wheel is located, the pedals are always mounted in the same standard positions. Gas to the right, Brake to the center, and clutch to the left.
Uniformity amoung a community is extermely important and a one language default for a nation isn't a burden nor is it socialism, it's all about harmony... | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/5/2008 7:09:01 AM | Canada has 2 official languages, English and French, try finding someone that speaks either times...
During a recent interview, about bilingualism, in Canada, as to the thoughts about speaking both English , and French,....a woman exposes her thoughts,....
Or should I say she exposes herself.
Not for the timid, or weak of heart, ....she flashes her breast,...shows off even more,....
down in "Bush Creek",.......
CAUTION,....FULL NUDITY !!!!
She doesnt say much concerning the subject matter, but her conversation is in English,
even tho she expresses herself in somewhat of a "Slap Stick" sort of way,..her vernaculer terms is paramount to Rodney Dangerfield.
(I think this link is hillarious,.....Listen to the Interviewer, and Camera man laugh
their behinds off,....the camera man is laughing so hard he can hardly keep filming)
I think ,.......she either needs to learn proper English,..or become a comedian.
The link is,.....
INTERVIEW GONE WILD
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=3750&rtn=search-3750&Keywords=interview&nl=2 | |
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| Should basic English language skills be required for LEGAL citizenship?
Posted: 1/5/2008 10:13:44 AM | This is not a facist dictatorship despite the desires of some for it to be. It is arguably in an immigrant's interest to learn our language. It is however entirely unAmerican to seek to compell them to do so.There's no such thing as an American Taliban, no reason to indulge the fragile and xenophobic sensibilities of those that ignore Jefferson, Franklin, etc.
"Let Freedom Ring." | |
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