mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 26 | |
| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/3/2007 11:57:52 PM |
mak68,
Why do you always try to prove everyone wrong?
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Do you know what that is? It's a question mark, it means I am asking questions. People claim things without evidence to back them up, I ask questions. Do the questions make you feel uncomfortable?
Point out to me where I am trying to prove someone wrong? I am asking questions and relaying my own experiences. I even say to pearl13 to get her observation on video, so we can all know for sure. Do you know the difference between looking at things with a critical eye, and trying to prove somebody wrong?
Are you so wrapped up in believing things without proof that you think there is no way you can be wrong? | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/4/2007 12:03:01 AM | | My father used to work at a goodguy's that used to be an old theater and of course somebody died there. So anyways, one night I was helping him clean up the store and I would see these round shadows scoot across the ceiling. It look as if a bug was flying between the display lights and the ceiling. That was freaky. But I still dismiss it as imagination or a trick of the eyes. | |
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Nergal
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Joined: 4/29/2007
Msg: 29 | |
| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/4/2007 1:01:46 PM | | I lived in a haunted castle and felt odd things but it was mainly down to being in that frame of mind ... if you want it ... you get it | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/5/2007 12:47:42 AM | "Same concept as a ouija board. You see what you want to see."
true, but why are you skeptical of this and not your religion. surely 'anything goes' if you believe in one magical story. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/5/2007 3:41:21 AM | ------true, but why are you skeptical of this and not your religion. surely 'anything goes' if you believe in one magical story. --------
If you are talking to me I never said I was skeptic, I am the one who wants to know of occurrences of these things by people it happends to..... | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/5/2007 7:00:48 AM | i wasn't, i was asking n8420, who i quoted.
its up 2 you to decide whats true, but remember we are all presented with the same evidence. i've been in allegedly haunted places too. i didnt notice anything 'unnatural'. even skeptics have imagination but we dont let it get the better of us. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/5/2007 8:34:06 AM | I have recored some interesting EVPs. Im not saying they are boo-ghosts or anything, but if you want to explain that away, I would be happy to hear.
The experiment used a multi-chambered shotgun microphone aimed toward the center of a grave yard. The experiment took place around 2pm. It recorded a young female voice humming. There was no little girl, no any houses which could have picked it up. The sound was recorded for about 5 minutes in length. Additionally, the humming was confirmed by an outside source which didnt know that it was an EVP recording. Interesting to note, the sound wasnt heard when played at normal speed, but at 2x speed.
In a grave yard at Waco, the sound of a female going "wooohooo" was recorded as well.
All the tapes were sealed before the time of the recordings.
Lets just say that if ghosts are real, and if they used to be humans, then they would not follow a predicitable schedule. although I understand the need for healthy skepticism there are types of evidence that cant be explained away.
I have read evidence on orbs, flashes and rods. I do think they may be reflections from the dust particles from the flash, since you never see orbs in the day light.
i think EVP recordings would be harder to explain away if you eliminate most of the external variables that would confound the experiment. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/5/2007 1:14:52 PM |
until I done a soul retrival an sent it over the other side
Mr. visionary, I am unable to email you because of your restrictions. Have a question for you. If you wouldn't mind, please email me so I can email you back. Thanks!
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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 36 | |
| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/5/2007 3:12:13 PM | I have recored some interesting EVPs. Im not saying they are boo-ghosts or anything, but if you want to explain that away, I would be happy to hear.
You might hear/read what I would tell you, but it seems that you already have your mind made up, what would be the use of trying to explain the other possibilities? When you use the term "explain that away", it implies to me that any other explanation will be given short shrift. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:10:11 AM | | This is a very interesting experiment but still is not proof enough for me. This could have somehow taken place in the manufacturing of the tapes prior to being sealed. There are many more rational explanations as to why it is not real rather than why it is real. We believe what we want to believe not always what is real. I had a near death experience and did I see a white light or anything?...no....just black..... and yet my son who was three at the time said he saw my "shadow". I would love to believe that there is an afterlife and that ghosts exist and that we don't cease to exist but I cannot believe in that until I see it with my own eyes. I spent the last few years trying to learn about ghosts, psychic ability, religion. past lives etc. and am so skeptical now it isn't funny. The bible for example is like a car accident.....it is man's interpretation of events and as you know in an accident, you could have many witnesses who saw it but they all have a different version of the events. It is the same as seeing a ghost.....everyone has their version of events. I think that if there were ghosts and they were capable of coming to visit, this would be documented as scientific fact and Jesus would have done it years ago. I suppose nobody will know until we go. Come back and tell me about it. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:43:09 AM | I believe in ghosts, because I have experienced many odd things. Do I have proof? No. Could I be wrong? Of course. However, there are too many odd happenings and coincidences in life to be easily explained away.
I lived with a skeptic about 10 years ago. When he discovered that I believe in ghosts, he wanted to prove my belief was foolish, and asked me to explain how ghosts could exist. He was rather disapointed with my answer, because it didn't give him a chance to ridicule me. I simply said "Beats the hell outta me." | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:58:09 AM | | I also have experienced many many weird things and dreams and "feelngs" and all sorts of stuff. I can't explain those either but, I think that those were things I wanted to see, believe in, dream of....Even if I did see the proof, I would be asking questions and over analyzing it and I am one that wants to believe...... | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 9:23:25 AM | I have endured many weird and wonderful experiences too many to go through… and lots of experiences when others have been present. So it was good that not ones imagination.
I used to work in an nursing home, and myself and a co-worker loved anything paranormal. We also use to talk to one lady who was also interested in this matter… one day we said to her about if she could get back to let us know, a sign.. My co-worker said like flicker the light on and off. She agreed.
Months later she past away (bless her!) but the two of us would often go into her room and just say how much of a miss she was… it was yet months again after she died and the room had been allocated to a gentleman. We walked in to her old room (just routine checks, closing windows and so forth)
We were both overcome by a strong smell of lavender (which was her favourite scent) the door clashed behind us and the light did flick on and off… we both looked at each other mouths wide open and said her name! And of course thanking her for her contact.
like I say that's just one of very many encounters I have had. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 9:25:11 AM | Science
Tell the intended audience what is possible and impossible release reports information technology and inventions etc that suit the agenda keep everything else hidden destroyed or don’t research it at all avoid things that gives hope or less suffering etc educate scientists in what is possible and impossible only fund projects that suit the agenda if a scientist/s gets too outspoken and or does not distort certain research cut funding or don’t fund at all don’t research anything not considered not normal or impossible such as herbal medicine ghosts reincarnation telepathy acupuncture etc if it is researched distort it. Lastly report this to the media exaggerate or make up what is desirable keep quiet what is undesirable.
I’m not saying that all scientists would be funded by the illuminati go along with what is possible impossible or normal distort keep secret or lie about things or would research or investigate into herbal medicine ghosts reincarnation telepathy acupuncture etc but largely this is how it would work
Scientists tell us that it is impossible for a bee to fly but it does
GHOSTS equaly true as false to me dont know either way | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 10:11:17 AM | your idea sounds paranoid to me, what i can understand anyway.
and high speed film now shows insects wings create much more lift than hitherto thought, they exploit micro air currents or something, in ways previously unknown.
"Scientists tell us that it is impossible for a bee to fly but it does" | |
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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 43 | |
| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 8:31:04 PM |
Science
Tell the intended audience what is possible and impossible release reports information technology and inventions etc that suit the agenda keep everything else hidden destroyed or don’t research it at all avoid things that gives hope or less suffering etc educate scientists in what is possible and impossible only fund projects that suit the agenda if a scientist/s gets too outspoken and or does not distort certain research cut funding or don’t fund at all don’t research anything not considered not normal or impossible such as herbal medicine ghosts reincarnation telepathy acupuncture etc if it is researched distort it. Lastly report this to the media exaggerate or make up what is desirable keep quiet what is undesirable.
I’m not saying that all scientists would be funded by the illuminati go along with what is possible impossible or normal distort keep secret or lie about things or would research or investigate into herbal medicine ghosts reincarnation telepathy acupuncture etc but largely this is how it would work
So science is evil? Yet here you are typing away at your computer... how do you think that got there? God miracled it into existence?
I suppose thats how NASA got off the ground?
Seems to me that it's a religious right wing president that doesn't approve of stem cell research, a technology that could very well revolutionize treatments for many different diseases and ailments and alleviate suffering.
Your statement is utter generalization and smacks of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.
GHOSTS equaly true as false to me dont know either way
This is a marvellous piece of doublespeak. You'd make Orwell's O'Brien proud... | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 9:32:29 PM | what other variables could i have missed?
the tape was sealed by the mfg.
There were no other houses around.
the multichambered shotgun mike is 1 directional, its made to pick up sound in 1 area and filters out sound in a surrounding area. | |
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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 45 | |
| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/6/2007 9:47:14 PM |
the tape was sealed by the mfg.
There were no other houses around.
the multichambered shotgun mike is 1 directional, its made to pick up sound in 1 area and filters out sound in a surrounding area.
Here are a few explanations. Although I still think you already have your mind made up.
From here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomenon#Naturalistic_explanations
Virtually no scientific literature on EVP exists, although skeptics have put forward various naturalistic explanations for the alleged phenomenon.[44] These include:
* Interference: Certain recordings, especially those recorded on devices which contain RLC circuitry, represent radio signals of voices/sounds from broadcast sources.[45] Interference from CB Radio transmissions and wireless baby minders, or anomalies generated though cross modulation from other electronic devices, are all documented phenomena.[44] It is even possible for circuits to resonate without any internal power source by means of radio reception.[45
* Auditory pareidolia: A condition created when the brain incorrectly interprets random patterns as being familiar patterns.[46] In the case of EVP it could result in an observer interpreting random noise on an audio recording as being the familiar sound of a human voice.[44][47] The propensity for an apparent voice heard in white noise recordings to be in a language understood well by those researching it, rather than in an unfamiliar language, has been cited as evidence of this.[44]
* Apophenia Related to, but distinct from pareidolia.[48] Defined as "the spontaneous finding of connections or meaning in things which are random, unconnected or meaningless", has also been put forward as a possible explanation.[6][49]
* Capture errors: Anomalies created by the method used to capture audio signals, such as noise generated through the over-amplification of a signal at the point of recording.[44][50]
* Processing artifacts: Artifacts created during attempts to boost the clarity of an existing recording through methods such as re-sampling, frequency isolation, and noise reduction/enhancement, until they take on qualities significantly different from those that were present in the original recording.[51][44]
* Hoaxes: A percentage of recordings may be hoaxes created by frauds or pranksters.[44] | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 3:36:56 AM | | Most excellent brainwaves going on...you guys hurt my head.....Just a little blurb from the less intelligent sector.......who is to say that the tape was not somehow damaged in manufacturing prior to sealing...happens to products all the time.....simple.... | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 8:44:14 AM | Did you know that the Sons of God looked down on the daughters of men and found them to be beautiful and had intercourse with them and actually had children that walked the earth?
Hi, I am a Theology student of ten years and have studied the Bible with great depth. I am not proclaiming to be an expert, but I do have a little bit more of an insight to it than most. Let me explain through Biblical reasoning the spirits that you are seeing. You may take it for what you want, but this is what the Bible tells us....
Genesis 6:1-7
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." NIV
The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4)
DIVINE INTERVENTION:
Giants are the result of interbreeding between humans and fallen angels, with the intent of creating a "master race". This master race, some believe, was intended to rule over the earth and over homo sapiens, eventually supplanting homo sapiens entirely.
This was one of the reasons why God created the flood--it was for the purpose of getting rid of these half demon/half human creatures. However, since the beings were half demon, when they died they were not allowed into Heaven; thus, they roam the earth. They are the ones who play the part in the many appearances of the spirits many see on earth. They are the ones who are able to go into the caskets and clone our loved ones so as to trick others into believing that their deceased relatives are appearing to them. They prey on those who are mourning, they prey on the woman who is left home alone and who is single and many others.
Take this for what you want, but you now know an explanation according to Biblical Truth. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 8:57:18 AM | the only one i can see a problem with is the auditory pareidolia. you can see this play out when you play a song backwords. for example when you hear a voice on the song being played backwards your brain inturpurts it as junk. when some says the messages says - satan eats cheese whiz. you think the messages says satan eats cheeze whiz. this would be the greated confounding variable the experiment can offer.
this problem can be solved if you make the recording and post it to a sound analyzer. before you filter out background noise you note peaks before and after the test.
capture errors are usually created if you use wireless technology. this factor can be ruled out. A control can be used to determine if a baby monitor would be recorded by a the multi-chambered shotgun mike.
processing equiptment - usually when eletronic amplifers are employed you have this problem. therefore, their use should be limited if not used at all. Physical amplifaction will create a directional sound amp source and rule out surrounding noise. A raw form and cleaned up version should be made aviable for the study.
hoaxes - waiste of time, but if you belive that every recording is a hoax, then you have failed your ability to objectivly look at any experiment as a true experiment.
as far as the quality of the tape is concerned, if you use multiple tapes from different mfg companies and record the same thing, this can easly be ruled out.
the next version of this experiment will include multiple shotgun mikes placed in a triangle pattern, plus a video camera to create a type of time stamp on the recordings. hopefully this method will yield interesting results. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 9:06:14 AM |
Take this for what you want, but you now know an explanation according to Biblical Truth.
Interesting reading, I've never heard about this before.
There is another possible explanation as well. I've read that no one has been sent to Heaven or Hell as of yet, that it will not happen until judgement day. If that is the case, some of the souls in waiting may still be hanging around here. | |
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