| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 10:58:44 AM |
There is another possible explanation as well. I've read that no one has been sent to Heaven or Hell as of yet, that it will not happen until judgement day. If that is the case, some of the souls in waiting may still be hanging around here.
if this is true the ghost theory is true, and if the ghost theory is true, boy this place is really crowded | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 11:37:54 AM | "There is another possible explanation as well. I've read that no one has been sent to Heaven or Hell as of yet, that it will not happen until judgement day. If that is the case, some of the souls in waiting may still be hanging around here."
theres yet another rather more likely possibility. people are born, eat, grow, reproduce, die and then rot, returning nutrients to nature to continue the cycle of life until the sun turns into a red giant and frazzles the earth to a crisp. end of story. been good enough up to now hasn't it.
now, considering virtually everyone carries around mobile phones with lil cameras in, you'd think there would be some conclusive proof of ghosties by now. or do doormen remove them at the entrances to haunted buildings. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 11:59:48 AM |
So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." NIV
Mankind does participate in death... the soul does not.. therefore we encounter spirit.
I am going to ruffle some feathers here... and I don't want to sound disrespectful in saying so!
Everyone is questioning ghosts and paranormal activity... and it's proven to those who have seen for there own eyes! But yet people accept the Bible as TRUE WORD!
I am not saying it's either true or false... but a lot of people seem to quote it a lot...
Yet who wrote the Bible? wasn't that written by mankind?
How old is the Bible (could it not be like Chinese whispers, and parts added on when translated over the years??) | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 4:22:40 PM | | Exactly my friend. I did make reference that the bible is man's interpretation....see above. I don't even consider the bible to be fact.....it is a story or many stories. Do I believe in God yes (and that is only wishful thinking on my part), the bible no. I go to church often but don't believe every word the priest speaks as fact. To each his own. If belief makes one a better person then hey..who am I to judge. I just would like to have proof of things because it is interesting to see fact. I like to be proven wrong. We go through life on faith that there is an afterlife and ghosts and souls and all that stuff but the world is round so to speak and it took proof to convince people of that. I want someone to prove that God is real and ghosts are real rather than just jumping off the edge of the earth. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/7/2007 8:02:42 PM |
theres yet another rather more likely possibility. people are born, eat, grow, reproduce, die and then rot, returning nutrients to nature to continue the cycle of life until the sun turns into a red giant and frazzles the earth to a crisp. end of story. been good enough up to now hasn't it.
That could be the case. I rather doubt it, though. Too many strange things happen. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/8/2007 7:40:20 AM | >
Scripture does not state that, but states...
We Rise Soon after Death.
Once more for those of you who do believe in the Bible, it states that when we die, we are immediately with the Lord in Heaven through the following scripture.
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." [2 Corinthians 5:8]
Jesus acknowledged that the thief would be in Heaven with Him on that day....
When Jesus was on the cross He promised one of the thieves, "Today you will be with Me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). Jesus did not say, "Just wait twenty centuries or more, and I will fix up your body again."
Once more the presence of our bodies in Heaven is acknowledged with scripture which speaks about Lazarus...
Jesus tells of a poor man Lazarus and his rich neighbor who both died. The rich man ended up in hell, while Lazarus went up to heaven. (Luke 16: 22-24) Both of them came into the next life immediately after death. There was no hint here of a long wait to come back into their bodies, for the rich man's brothers were still alive on earth.
Since we rise immediately after death, people who have died are in the spiritual world, and they can be seen by those whose spiritual sight is open. For example, when Peter, James and John had their eyes opened to see Jesus in His glory, they also saw Moses and Elijah, who were clearly not in their graves. When Saul went to the witch of En Dor, he spoke with the spirit of Samuel who appeared as an old man (1 Samuel 28: 3-19), and Lazarus found himself in the bosom of Abraham in heaven (Luke 16:22-24). In fact, when Jesus said to the Sadducees that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of the living, not the dead, the clear implication is that Abramam, Isaac and Jacob had already risen from death into life (Matthew 22:31-32; Mark 12:26-27; Luke 20:37-38). He is "the God of the Living," not "the God of the dead who will centuries later come back to life."
Angels have sometimes appeared to people whose eyes were opened to see them. Very often, the Bible says that these angels are people. For example, we read that three men appeared to Abraham (Genesis 18: 2), and that when Jacob wrestled with an angel he wrestled with a man (Genesis 32: 24). Likewise, the angels were people who appeared to Joshua (Joshua 5: 13-14), Manoah and his wife (Judges 13: 6-11), Ezekiel (Ezekiel 9: 2-3,11; 10: 2-3,6), Daniel (Daniel 9: 21; 10: 5; 12: 6-7), Zechariah (Zechariah 1:8,11), and the women at the sepulcher (Mark 16: 5; Luke 24: 4). The Bible says these angels were people, and clearly none of them were still in the grave.
In one passage Jesus says that He will raise people up "at the last day" (John 6: 39-54). From that passage alone, we would not know whether He meant "the last day of the world" or "the last day of their earthly lives." In a similar way, Jesus says in the previous chapter, "The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth" (John 5: 28, 19). The context shows He was speaking not of a resurrection still centuries distant, but in the present tense. "The Father raises up the dead, and gives life to them…. The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live" (John 5: 21, 25). Clearly, this resurrection was already taking place. Consequently, when Martha spoke of her brother Lazarus remaining in the tomb until "the resurrection at the last day," Jesus corrected her by saying, "I am the resurrection and the life," implying that the resurrection was present. Jesus continued, "He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die." When we view the teachings about being raised at "the last day" in this context, it becomes clear that it must mean "the last day of their lives." | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 5/9/2007 3:36:22 AM | Yes indeed, let me tell you of a happening that truly happened to me. It was January 18,1995 my mom and I had been living together (I being her only child) then she became deathly ill so I placed her in the hospital. On this night around 11 PM I was sitting alone in her bedroom feeling extremely sad when suddenly I heard in my mind an awful shrill faraway cry, next came a windy sound then scratching but I could see nothing (had lights on). Soon it ended, in an hour her physician called to tell me mom had passed away. To this day I believe it was her spirit just coming by to tell me she had to move on.
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/21/2007 8:32:38 PM | | I live in a very haunted city, Victoria, B.C. A few years ago we lived in a house which was haunted. There were lots of different things that happened. When we moved in my two girls would tell me of being woken up in the middle of the night because of the sound of footsteps in the hallway outside of their bedroom. I didn't make too much of it. But then there were many other things such as the TV turning on or the radio. Sometimes when I was in the kitchen washing dishes I would feel a presence behind me. The closet light would go on and off in my bedroom closet.he My daughter saw a "ghost" a young man. My daughter's friend also saw some sort of ghost. Lots of things like that happened. I didn't make too much of it but just before we moved out I was in the house alone and I heard the footsteps outside of my bedroom. It was so loud I thought someone had broken into the house...Where I live now is quite boring...I kind of miss our haunted house. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/22/2007 7:08:13 AM | | well i nevered in a haunted house but while in service i was stationed in a cemetry at shurgudh (punjab) L.O.C. i was in air defence so we were very close to border of india. it was an old cemetry (quburistan). part of my job was incase of any bombing we have to put remain of of any grave back it its place . i was there for 6 months day & night, we used to recive indian shelling on daily bases & often shells wolud fall on a grave & sometime bones would come out (not so often) . among my men that place was haunted but living there every day i start beliving less & less of ghosts . i never saw a ghost (some fellow claimed they saw which i belive was nthing more then thier imagination). i dont think there are any ghosts because if there were ghosts then that quburistan was the place, death all around you & not a single ghost to be found. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/22/2007 8:35:55 AM | I lived in an allegedly haunted castle for 3 years, it was the site of an English civil war battle so the stories seemed plausible. I only ever had one odd experience and that was easily put down to tiredness and a form of hysteria. A friend of mine, having lived their at the same time also had one odd experience where his dog actually got scared and ran off. Its hard to prove one way or another, the stories provided a kind of belief and atmosphere which I think can cause a form of energy to appear. I dont actually think its the spirits of dead people but more a form of energy memory, reinforced by the belief of people since. I also stayed in an old hall, one of Lord Byron's homes. This too is reputed to be extremely haunted, helped by the fact that it has its own graveyard. A few of us wandered around the place, in pitch darkness and never felt, heard or saw a thing.
The TV program 'Most Haunted', has now been labelled ' Least Haunted', in more than 100 episodes nobody has actually captured any ghostly image on film, or seen anything. Orbs have been filmed, but they are simply faults in the digital cameras. At least one parapsychologist has left, allegedly due to the tv crew trying to rig things and being caught at it. There is even a website run by former crew members who have admitted that much of it is faked, and the medium involved has been totally discredited after it was found he was fed information by the shows researchers.
Whatever ghosts are, I think the only harm they can do is that which we do to ourselves, from fear and panic. I'd love to see one, and reproduce the effect for others to see, programs which attempt to fake things to boost viewing figures dont help with serious research. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/22/2007 4:51:11 PM | Yes
Although I am not sure of the actual "form" of such phenomena. I have sensed certain things...a young boy and a man in my old house. I've seen electrical phenomena, heard voices from nowhere and have seen water go upwards..against the law of gravity. I have sensed "moods" or "vibes" in certain places. I don't know if these things are "echoes", or actual beings.
I reserve judgement ... Obviously there are things I can not explain. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/23/2007 7:15:48 PM | | I think when we die, if we've lived right, we are actually escorted out of this world by our guardian spirit. However, lots of people don't fathom the idea that they might have a spirit or an afterlife and they live accordingly and harm many in their pursuit of material and selfish pleasure. If their souls are encumbered by a ballast of earthly interests there's no way they can rise. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/23/2007 8:55:00 PM | | Why yes, yes i do. I can see, sense, and talk to spirts. Been able to do it all my life. I can walk by a house and know something is there. Hell i can drive by it and know, though not as likely with driving. I have tons of stories i could tell. Some good, some bad, some sad some happy. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/24/2007 7:47:23 PM | | Hmm and how do you know they were a flake? Or did you go into thinking they were a flake and nothing they could or would say would make you actually think about something, since obviously you sure as hell dont belive. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/24/2007 9:16:21 PM | i can beleave you on that one. hearing someone speaking that you can't see happens quite abit. but in my case i see them and here them. and trust me there is alot of huntings in kentucky. It's just most people here don't really listen to what is going on. but for people that see them is very rare. from what i have read and was told it is called clearaboient. able to see the ghost or spirit that is as i call it stuck here not being able to pass to the other life. alot of the older houses would have a haunting or two. i have lived in many old houses that are over 100 years old and there would be a spirit in the house that isn't harmful in the least. The last house i had lived in was 136 years old when me and my partents had moved in when i was a child. and like most child they go exploring the house to see what the place is like instuff. well i had found a room that even the realter didn't even know that was there. when i looked inside there was this old spinning wheel just sitting there. my parents came in behind me and they had seen it also. the wheel of the spinning wheel started spinning. i could see and elderly lady sitting the spinning wheel but my parents couldn't they couldn't explain why the spinning wheel was moving on it's own. i had told them it is not moveing on it's own that there was a old lady there moving the wheel. well my mother wasn't going to beleave it. she had the spinning wheel destroyed that day. well that wasn't the end of it. as i got older the elderly lady seemed to want to cling to me. but i wasn't sure why at the time i could only see them. but when i was going through that stage of becomeing a woman i started to hear her talking. i couldn't understand her at first and i thought there was something wrong with me. so i started talking to my dad about it. he did research on it to find out that there has been people that had the same thing. but it was very rare for people to be able to do both see and hear what the spirit is saying.
but anyway before i could fully understand what the elderly lady was saying my mother had taken me and brother and sister and moved out. she couldn't take it no more. when i had come of age i moved back with my father and the spirit was still there. by that time had a little boy that was still an infant. he was takeing a nap and when he woke up he usally wants changed. well that was a normal thing i would go and change his diaper and let him what i called scoot across the floor. when i got to his bed to change him she was standing there and had told me don't need to worry i had changed him for you. well before hand he was fussy because he just woke up that is how i knew he wanted changed. well my son fussed for a couple of seconds and it stopped by the time i gotten out of the ladys room. so i rushed to him. when i seen her and herd what she said i kinda got scared because i could never really understand what the ghost and spirits was saying till that day. i had picked up my son and ran to my father and told him i can understand what the lady is saying she had changed my son's diaper and told me not to worry. he told me it was alright she isn't going to hurt you. just listen to what she has to say. so ever since then i have been able to see and hear what the ghost or spirit has to say. but there is a catch to that too. they will only show themselves to someone that can see them if they want to be seen.
you can beleave me or not that is totally up too you. oh and you are right on the hauntings i have been to many so called hauntings and they really wasn't haunted. but there was 4 out the 23 places i have been too that was so called haunted that was. then there was places i had went to that was haunted and the people that own the place didn't know it was. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/24/2007 10:05:42 PM | | glad to hear someone does beleave me other then my father and brother. but yes you should look into it again. like alot of people had said on here that they live in haunted or had lived in haunted houses i can beleave that. a ghost or spirit if wanting to be herd or seen will try many things so that is possible. even if it to do harm to someone. and i personly had seen that happen. it was a friend of mine that had lost a close family member to them. i ended up being a what you call it a person to speak to one to relay a message to another. my friend had suffered alot of scraches and cuts from this family member because this family member wanted to be know that they was there. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/25/2007 12:41:42 PM | | I believe...I was a drug dog handler/law enforcement specialist stationed at Hickam AFB in Hawaii. Hickam is very close to Pearl Harbor and during WWII Hickam was also heavily hit. The dog kennels were at the far end of the base across the road from the base's 18 hole golf course. There was no reason for anyone to be out there at night unless you were on patrol or on kennel duty. One evening I was sitting in the kennel office which was situated at the base of an old bunker. It was myself and one other person...the dogs were quiet..there was no noise..then we heard muffled men's voices coming from the roof area of the bunker. There was no way for anyone to be up there. There was no radio playing, the walkie talkies were silent. My partner and I looked at eachother with wide eyes (never mind the fact that we both had 9mm guns with full clips!) we hauled butt out of there...the only funny thing was my dog Lady, didnt react to the voices like they say animals do. I guess this is because the dogs live there (they didnt go home with us)and they were used to the voices..WE SURE WEREN'T! | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/25/2007 2:18:54 PM | The Ghosts you speak of are demons.They cannot exist in anyone or anything,
If your faith is in God.
The dead are gone.....evil is present where or who allows it to remain!
Yah thats about it! | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/25/2007 2:48:03 PM |
The Ghosts you speak of are demons.They cannot exist in anyone or anything,
If your faith is in God.
The dead are gone.....evil is present where or who allows it to remain!
Yah thats about it!
*snorts*
Yeah uh huh. Keep your head in the ground and keep thinking that....both of them. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/25/2007 2:57:16 PM |
Hmm and how do you know they were a flake? Or did you go into thinking they were a flake and nothing they could or would say would make you actually think about something, since obviously you sure as hell dont belive.
no no I knew they were flakes, because I knew them personally.
*snorts*
Yeah uh huh. Keep your head in the ground and keep thinking that....both of them.
Why is her idea any more absurd than yours. The entire idea of ghosts is silly. | |
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| Do you believe in ghosts/Haunted houses?
Posted: 9/25/2007 3:21:35 PM | Hi OP,
I personally don't believe in ghosts , spirits, demons, devils, angels, haunted houses, possessions, heaven or hell....but I do like this little guy though ... 
Love and peace  | |
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