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Posted: 5/3/2007 9:59:11 PM | | Guns are kool if you know what you are doing. People in law enforcement or military need them as part of their profession. | |
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Kalira
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Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 5/4/2007 3:07:15 AM |
How do you feel about dating a man who keeps guns/rifles in the house?
Handguns included, and let's assume that the man is properly trained, certified by state training courses or military training
mmmm yummie
teehee sry had to be said personally i think someone who can do that is not so much brave but in control of themselves .. and frankly i guns scare me which is why i go to the gun range ... getting over the fear i guess ...
good on ya man
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Posted: 5/4/2007 3:51:32 AM |
There will be NO guns in my house. I personally don't want to date a guy who has a gun. I guess we forget that most women who are murdered are murdered by someone close to them i.e. a loved one. Oh and you can say "guns don't kill people, people kill people'' well guns just make it a whole lot easier.
It was only a matter of time before this tired old argument was trotted out----I almost wonder why it took so long?? LOL
Like has been said already guns account for a far less significant number of murders than any other sort of tool including kitchen knives, heavy pans/skillets etc etc etc. Even more disturbing is the incident of drunk drivers that take lives. So if it's "people kill people" how do we address that?
While I know responsible gun owners are NOT part of the problem there will always be those that blame guns for every malady society suffers. Those same people tend to ignore or not realize the REASONS people kill should be of more concern than the exact method used. If every gun were to suddenly disappear the rate of murder would NOT drop considerably nor would violence in general. To a sane rational person guns might make killing seem easier but if someone is truly motivated to take a life there's not much that can be done to stop them I'm sad to say. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2007 8:29:23 AM | I don't see a problem with it at all....my dad is a fire arms instructor...so I grew up around guns and understand that as long as you are trained to handle them, it is not dangerous. There are those crazies out there who have them for bad reasons, but that is the chance you take when meeting anyone. Some men, like my dad, like to collect guns and shoot (at targets) or hunt for sport....nothing wrong with that..just boys and their toys!
I also have my own for protection. A Ruger .45 pistol | |
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Posted: 5/4/2007 8:36:25 AM | | I keep a rifle and pistol in the house because I like to target shoot. Both are legal and registered. If a girl does not like the idea of my having them, she needs to move on as I have no intention of giving them up. My guns will never be used against anything living, including animals, except in defense. I hope that situation never arrises. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2007 10:33:59 AM | Would i date a man who owned guns? if he's a police officer or a militery man and they are part of his job, then yes,.. apart from that,.. Are you joking? Oh, I know this is a cultural thing,.. and I'm not going to put my effort into having a gun debate here,.. but really, I am frankly terrified of the mentality of anyone who wants to have guns for sport or hunting. Poeople killing animals just for sport? just for the 'pleasure of killing them? ooo err,.. you're all mad.. mad I say... (goodewitch backs slowly away from the forum)  | |
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Posted: 6/24/2007 12:31:49 PM | If a woman wouldn't date me because I have guns then she's not good enough or open minded enough for me.
Personally though I dont believe there is a "need" to go hunt moose , deer or whatever it is your hunting . In this day and age we have grocery stores with wonderful sections called meat departments . If there really was a demand for those types of meats , they would be offered in your local store .
There is indeed a need to hunt and that is to keep their populations down. It keeps the herds healthier, drivers are safer on the roads with less deer, it protects farmers' crops. In fact here in Minnesota the number of deer have gone up due to fewer hunters. The herds have increased so much that the DNR is considering offering more than one deer permit per hunter.
There most certainly is a demand for wild game meat.  Why the he** do you think there are hunters? Yes there is the sport of it but those people eat them as well. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2007 4:38:50 PM | | I think girls who hate guns are insane. If they are American then they obviously don't know anything about our history and the role the gun played in our freedom. Generally this means they are uneducated and dont use much reason in their thinking. I carry a gun daily for self defense (i have a permit). I dont hunt and I am a vegan, so no killing animals for me. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2007 4:46:19 PM | I don't have a problem with a man who is trained and has a license to have a gun(s) for legal use/as a hobby. BUT it must be kept in a safe place where no one would be accidentally harmed.
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Posted: 7/5/2007 10:43:01 PM | I'm all for the right to bear arms. I find that it's a great stress relief. I've been much less stressed since joining a gun club & shooting almost every week for the past year. There's nothing like knocking down 10 plates in 20 seconds (well maybe it was 23 seconds with a magazine change). It's not the "shooting things" that gives the stress relief, it's the fact that you have to focus and concentrate on what you're doing, therefore you can let go of other thoughts of your life for a little while.
That being said, the reason a lot of people that I've encountered (note that this is my personal experience, not about anyone here) that don't like guns just don't know much about them. Most have said that they don't like them because they promote violence. If someone wants to do you harm, they will - gun or no gun. Guns don't kill people, they are just a means for people to kill people. That's just my opinion, however a gun sitting by itself 99.99% of the time will not just fire. It has to be handled in some way. The ones that go off by accident are normally by people who don't know what they're doing with them or aren't paying attention. If you have a gun in your hand, you should be in control of it and know how to operate it.
Gun clubs are great places to get away from the stigma of society that you're a freak for enjoying shooting or owning a gun. I've learned plenty from the people that I encounter up there. There are men (and a few women) ranging from their teens to their 90's , blue collar & white collar, soldiers, police, etc. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 7:15:07 PM | I wouldn't date a woman who wasn't willing to use a gun to protect herself, her children, or her other loved ones. One thing I was brought up on was self reliance, and first and foremost is not having to wait for someone else to come protect you. Cops can take anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour or more to show up depending on where you are, and if someone just kicked in the door to your apartment in the middle of the night, either one's too long. Besides, with the recently released stats on the NYPD's shots/hits ratio I'm not sure I'd really want a cop handling a weapon around me anyway. It was something like 9% of the shots they fired actually hit their intended target. As for hunting, you can tell who's never been poor, or hungry by the people who would ban all hunting. I don't hunt, I've never had to. I do however, have a couple of friends that do. One in particular uses it as a way to make sure his kids get enough food every day. He's got 3 boys under 12 and works his butt off 6 days a week but money's still tight. He can spend 30 cents on a shotgun shell and feed his family for a month, or he can turn to food stamps and be just another person on the taxpayer teet. He chooses to take care of his own family, and gets to hold his head high. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to say "oh I can't shoot Bambi, look at those big brown eyes" They'd rather watch those eyes go dim, then see disappointment in the eyes of their children when they're told there won't be any dinner tonight kids. I'm not a fan of people who shoot things and leave them to rot, there's no reason for it. However, controlling the population of animals that can transport disease and are dangerous to humans is another thing entirely. Anyone who's against non-law enforcement/military having guns should check out this link. Try it with an open mind and you just might open your eyes a little. Cheers.
http://www.a-human-right.com/ | |
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Joined: 7/12/2007
Msg: 62 | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 7:18:56 PM | i agree with you.
and i attended a Bible college and am a member of MENSA.
there is a lot of disinformation regarding the ownership of firearms...
but historically tyrants have ALWAYS outlawed private firearm ownership.
live free.
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Posted: 7/16/2007 8:16:55 PM | but really, I am frankly terrified of the mentality of anyone who wants to have guns for sport or hunting. Poeople killing animals just for sport? just for the 'pleasure of killing them?
I own a few firearms and I bought the first one after walking in on people burglarizing my home. I turned around and ran out the front while they ran out the back. I live in a built up, urban area and it still took the police almost 25 minutes to arrive after the call was placed. I used to live in a neighborhood going down hill and I bought the first firearm for protection. I grew up around guns, but never had an interest in owning one until I needed one and did not have it.
Since then I found I actually enjoy going to the range and shooting, so I bought a few others. I am not a gun nut and think there should be tougher gun control laws, but I think you overreact if you think anyone who owns a firearm is somehow crazy. | |
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Joined: 7/12/2007
Msg: 64 | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 8:52:46 PM | bro above: you are right about most of what you wrote but you are dead wrong concerning gun control.
as an investigative journalist i can tell you that and prove otherwise to what you have been programmed to believe.
every major shooting has involved psychotropic meds and violation of EVERY major gun.
knowledge over influence. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 9:04:58 PM |
How do you feel about dating a man who keeps guns/rifles in the house?
Do you mind if I bring my .45 when I come visit you? Oh by the way, a lady here in South FL claimed that the gun she keeps under her pillow accidentally fired and shot her hubby who was sleeping next to her.
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Posted: 7/16/2007 9:22:43 PM | | As the mother of a young child, I am always asking about this. I would be very wary of getting too involved with a man that has guns in his home. Maybe if they were tightly secured...even then I would need this proved. | |
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yeahso
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Joined: 7/12/2007
Msg: 67 | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 9:26:43 PM | would you be offended it you never ever saw it?
as in: one day after being happily married for many years - someone came into our (ostensible) home and i punched through the wall - hand emerging clutching a loaded pistol?
i am a Christian member of MENSA and i would never endanger my family.
period.
that means by owning a gun and by NOT OWNING A GUN (EQUALLY IF NOT MORE DANGEROUS). | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 9:40:34 PM | The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate, reads:
“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "
did you knowthat in Washington DC the police are not responsible in protecting the citizens of the District?
BUT no one in the District of Columbia can own a firearm ,not even for protection.
Now to make one thing very clear,,,, guns dont kill people,,,people kill people,,mostly through negligence, ignorance or loss of moral control for what ever reason.
Fear of an inanimate object is simply a lack of intelligent understnading of that object and its proper handling or use.
Now as for hunting for a trophy I dont really condone it but most outfitters who setup hunts do harvest and use/distribute the remainder of the animal.
I have friends who hunt for winter meat as they cant afford meat in a grocery store.
Oh and as for the meat department the one fella talks about, how do you think they kill some of them? it certainly ISNT as clean and ethical as a properly trained and equipt hunter.
Its down right disgusting. But I like eating steak and other meats. And I understand that God put us on the earth to use and command it to our use.
And that includes all of the animals that were put here to be used as food.
I live in Indiana and we can protect our property/life with extreme force if we so feel threatened. We dont have to cower in a corner and hope the bad people dont tear up too much stuff or rape our 10 yr old daughter (a friend s daughter who I am Godfather of wasraped in sucha manner,,in Chicago) or wife/husband. We can grab grandpas 12 ga load some double ought buck shot and shoot the b@$t@rd that is doing/trying to do such crimes on me or mine. I am 10 minute from local town, and about 20 from sherrifs dept. so protection may be paramount for me to take matters into my own hands.
Ladies if your walking to your car ina parking lot at night and a mugger/rapist/generall bad person assaults you , A would you wish that I with my own firearm and a license to carry it(also you gotta think I had to pass a FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK very picky and hard to get a good rating on for the most part)would come to your aid and either run off or detain for arrest the perpetrator for possible prosecution?
Or should I just drive by and call the police with an average 14 minute response time and let your belongings/life/kids be forfiet?
This happened recently in the town I work in, a college town and the girl was just getting off work and I had fallen asleep in my truck after getting some things from Kmart, the guy had a machette (big knife)and was waving it around. The girl had her 2 yr old daughter in the car ,with it running to cool off, as she checked/locked the buisness door again.
I step out ,quietly , making sure my gun is unobstructed, also make sure I have my extra clips of ammunition ( I am a former Scout and have had some plice training WAY in the past) .I walk up on the scene (yes i had already called the police, 8 minutes before) and simply ask if she was having some king of trouble.
She looked at me with my hand on my firearm, and visibly relaxed a little and lost some of the hysterics.
The idiot (I later found out ) was strung out and thought she had a night drop bag to steal.
He rears back to swing and I draw and offer him the ultimatum, drop it or (well lose some very hard to replace male parts) and he drops the knife(uhm 23 inches of cutting blade by cops measuremnt),,,and she kicks him in the "ahem" as I find out he wanted her keys(and IE her daughter) to the car.
The cops came by, sirens blaring, light flashing nad I holster my gun so they know I am good guy(even though I gave them my description,, so as to not shot)and sit back and watch them cuff'em and stuff'em.
This makes owning and carring a firearm very real and benificial in my mind. And guess what no one got killed but a bad person is in jail, attepted robbery, atteepted kidnaping, car theft, assault with deadly weapon and under the influence of narcotics and repeat offender,,and possesion.
He had done it 3 times before,, it was kept hush ,hush and I donated the reward offered.
As for hunting , go look at a kill line in a meat processing plant then go watch a hunter.
OK nuff said but Ido get my double chocolate milk shakes for free now.
my $.02. If more Honest , law abiding citizens owned and carried firearms,,, then crime would be less,, its proven.
My aunt worked for a Village Pantry and wasrobbed 3 times 4th time the yahoo got to crap his pants and stare down a gun barrel! crime doesnt pay ,especially if the person being robbed/assaulted is armed.
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Joined: 7/12/2007
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Posted: 7/16/2007 9:57:32 PM | | MonzaRacer- thank you. you are an honorable man. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 9:30:05 PM | Dont know about honorable but if the creep had swung his ass would be taxidermy jerky. NO ONE will harm a lady if I am around untill I am dead or near death.
See the big reason I carry was I helped put a very bad drug dealer away a long time ago, I was warned he was out of jal and I had already bought the gun but hadnt got my permit yet, after hearing he was out(and had threatened me to cop I used to work with) I bought a Tactical lock back knife and have carried one since.
And yes I know how to gut a person with a knife in selfdefense. I can put 4 cuts on most people before they ever know what happened.
I learned from a former Seal team leader and my old Tae Kwon Do teacher. You want to see a real knife fight go watch Underseige with Steven Segal and Tommy Lee.
Thats as close as you will ever see one as it would be a lot closer and a lot faster.
I now carry with a Lifetime permit and carry a Ruger P90 .45 Auto it has an 8 round clip, one in the pipe and I carry the other 2, 7 round clips. And on a tactical range I can run ,roll, and shoot and pretty much 21 or 22 out of 23 rounds total hit where I aim or give a good accounting for themselves.
I carry hollow points and no metal jackets these would only serve to let them go through many things rather than open up and detain or destroy the perptrator I am shooting at.
Know this ,IF i am shooting at someone they ARE a criminal trying to hurt me or mine or at least someone.
Can I live with killing?Yes.
Why?One is because I know my cause is right and I walk with God anyway (also ordained minister)and I trust him to keep me safe AND guide me and my aim.
Are my guns locked up yep but can I get at them easily yep and the buckshot too.
Lead with a load of double ought buck and follow up with the .45.
Will I expect my girlfriend/wife to respect my ownership handling of guns , gang straight, would I expect her to carry ,no but I would expect her to go out and practice till she is comfortable with them so as to be able to protect herself if I am gone or hurt.
"And eye for and eye and a tooth for tooth"
also if you see some child or adult normally not violent killing with a gun then they either were never trained in proper handling or are in very desperate mental state.
Also if the liberal anti gunners ever just figured out that the criminal that used a gun should be shot with it after conviction and proper appeals, well then most gun toting criminals would remember that if caught they would get death penalty.
If you remember the murders usually got hung in the square at noon for all to see and remember.
I am sure many many young meen way back when went on the straight and narrow because of wittnessing these dispensations of justice.
I am as mild mannered and kind to a fault and unles you knew me you might never know I have a gun and permit.
This is me and part of how I wasrasied, I got back handed if I did wrong or the belt or the switch,,, no timeoputs for bad things, no had slaps for major no nos, I learned there are consequences for my actions.
Now I am a single 39 yr old with no criminal record and a lifetime permit. And a lifetime of stories of going out after dinner at grandpas and shooting 22s or shooting trap ot high powered rifles. Or helping load shotgun shells in the living room. That was a high point if grandpa ever let you start loading shells!
I have the gun I always ogled as a child ,a Western Auto store sold 12 ga. Mom has the Kreighoff (ie $20k+ value trap gun with 3 different barrels, mine when she passes away) .
Ok nuff said but guns made this country safe, kept it safe and will continue to.
Oh I also ahve a Mathews Switchback XT bow for archery and with a broad head I could gut a person in one draw and release and I doubt the perpetrator would even know he was dieing till he keeled over.
Ever guess why Japan hit Hawai instead of California, one of the Generals knew a lot of the Americans had guns and would protect thier country.
I live next to a govenrment resevation (ie Base that does military support work) and if old Osama ever shows up in a truck trying to bomb it hes dead if I get a bead on him.
All right I have said enough to piss off every lady on here so Ill shut up.
Just sign me,
Lee, registerd and licensed gun owner and devoted patriot too.
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Posted: 8/19/2007 10:05:06 PM | I have 26 different guns (at this point in time...more to come in the future) and if a woman isnt comfortable with that then she and I would not get along. I hunt and target shoot. My dad is a retired police officer so I have grown up around guns. I take pride in knowing how to safely and accurately use firearms. I have multiple rifles, shotguns and pistols. If a woman I was dating wanted to bring a gun on a date I am comfortable with that. To me that is just showing that she is intelligent and is safety minded. I mean no matter how well you think you might know some one you have met on here there is no real guarantee that the person you are meeting is who they say they are. And hell she can even come to my personal shooting range and it might be the best date I have ever been on. Plus I think its very sexy seeing a beautiful woman shooting and hitting her target. Thats probably why I like country girls so damn much, they aren't scared to pick up a gun for a little fun. But then maybe thats just the redneck in me.
And one thing for the people who are against hunting I have a question for you. Do you eat meat? If so the only difference between you and the person who actually killed the animal is that your hands are a little cleaner. But dead is dead and food is food.
Now as far as gun owners being potential criminals well that doesnt make much sense. If a criminal wants a gun I doubt the majority of them are going to go buy one legally or get a permit to carry one. And as far as some one breaking in to my house that wouldn't be the brightest idea they have ever had. Because if it came down to some one hurting the people I care about I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger. Then call 911.
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Posted: 8/20/2007 5:48:24 AM | I was raised with guns, and have no problem with them at all. In fact, I can't see having a serious relationship with someone who doesn't have one... whether it be for hunting, target practicing, farmers being able to put an animal down when necessary, or simply for protection.
As for protection, I just don't understand how people can exist as "sitting ducks" for criminals ... I just can't imagine lying in bed, hearing a window smash and just "waiting" to see if my family is going to be murdered or not ... with no means of even trying to stop it! | |
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Posted: 8/20/2007 5:59:49 AM | | There are guns in my house ranging from a couple of .22's to an AR-15. I can load and shoot each and every one of them. They are locked away and the ammo is in a separate place. My kids have been raised around guns as I was. Their dad is a hunter and none of them has ever touched a gun unless he was there with them. They are locked up because of the liability of someone ELSE'S kids finding them one day. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2007 6:08:42 AM |
How do you feel about dating a man who keeps guns/rifles in the house?
It won't ever happen. That's how I feel. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2007 6:18:43 AM | | I dont like guns much because of the fact they just collect dust till you go hunting, and people with access to gun tend to injure themshevles more than the criminal breaking into the house. I had childern would not want guns in the house period, and think Americans in general are too gun crazy at times. | |
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