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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/7/2007 9:20:25 PM | Lots of people die, and rember what they seen, and the way it felt like. Its not skary once your gone, just how you go.
There is God, God is all, everything, and every thought that has a just good reason. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/7/2007 9:58:44 PM | there has to be more.
Why?
Should it make any difference as to how we conduct our lives on Earth? | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/7/2007 10:43:56 PM | Excuse me, may I be so bold to say ... What made U think that we are so special & unique, Nick.....
Why do U NOT think that God spoke/speaks to them(all animals) also?
Had that ? in Bio. today & it REALLY frosts me, when U consider that 'animals' will sense a disaster( such as a tornado, etc.) before we, humans, do, ... on one hand
Am REALLY tired of those who consider lesser beings, as lesser, because we don't speak the same lang.
Am I a Cow? for moo-ing such lang.? My X's would like to agree, however, we are X's for a reason.
I like the idea that we are all unique, on one hand, & that life is NOT as we percieve it!
That is my human-centered approach.
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 1:09:19 AM | Yes!
K I am not as colorful or as well read as some of the people that have posted before me. So I guess I will explain my position with an example:
For me God exists through me believing:--hence faith--
All will ask or state Proof it! mmm ok here is my example:
Look at your computer, does it exist? It was made correct? Do you know who made it? Did u see them make it? How do you know they exist? The computer exists.
mmmm
Look in the mirror? Do you exist? You were made correct? Do you know who made you? Did you see yourself made? How do you know the creator exist? You exist!
Ok just my humble Christian opinion,
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 1:56:34 AM | The way I look at it Fiesty, it's best not to jump to conclusions about things just because we don't know the answer. Particularly if there's no unambiguous evidence to support it, as is the case with any of the various claimed gods.
The evolution of the universe and Darwinian evolution are well documented rationally explained scientific explanations.... as opposed to jumping to conclusions just because we would like them o be true.
They only go back to the big bang bang though ... so perhaps that leaves room for a god that created the universe with the big bang, then was no longer involved? Again we need not jump to conclusions .... String theory and the updated M theory version, while not a fully fledged scientific theory has recently been merged with everyday physics. The god theory IMHO, is not much of a theory at all really. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 3:05:18 AM | | Just because we are each unique that does not mean that there is life after death. And I have not read any mention of life after death for the other animals in the religions I am aware of. Obviously Cosmos was created by some entity but to think that we are its chosen species/creation, that is wishful thinking IMO. We should conduct our lives in a human and humane manner but not because we expect return via a heaven in an afterlife, IMO. If the afterlife does exist, that will prove indeed a pleasant surprise!! To hope there is one, well that does not make it exist. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 4:06:13 AM | What is this thread doing in the Science/Philosophy section?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't questions about God belong in the Religion section??? | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 6:00:22 AM | The way I look at it Mark11 is this , Christianity is one of the only religions that has eternal condemnation after death, meaning hell. Most other religions have reincarnation or just you are worm meat when you die.
Now how I see it, mmm if I believe in God, Christ and IF my faith IS right I go to heaven and don't suffer hell. mmm If I am wrong the only thing that happens is I come back to do it all again or become worm meat...
MM the way I see it why would I be a fool and take any chances of spending eternity in hell fire in brimstone when by believing what I believe with a child like faith I have nothing to lose. For me I am not taking any chances. It is just as easy for me to believe in a God as it is for me to believe mmm maybe easier, then to believe in a big bang theory gee who caused the big bang..and evolution, mmm who created the ape.
Like I previously said, believing what I do I am in a win win...believing in nothing mmm well there could be eternal consequences...Here is me not taking that chance.
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 6:35:47 AM | fiestyangel.
you've basically just given us Pascal's Wager. It has been destoryed and its logical fallacies torn apart numerous times. You should look it up in grteater detail. You cant believe in something simply because not believing could mena damnation. Its a preposterous propersition. You believe something because you are convinced it makes sense and (at least for me) that there is some kind of rational thought that can support it.
just google/wikipedia Pascals wager. Have fun | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 6:38:07 AM |
Look in the mirror? Do you exist? You were made correct? Do you know who made you? Did you see yourself made? How do you know the creator exist? You exist!
This only applies if you count the creator as my parents. Unless you are claiming that God himself made me from dirt and breathed life into me. I dont think my mother would appreciate that claim. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 6:49:10 AM | I love my fantasy, it is mine and I think I will stick to it...mmmm no one has come back from death to tell me I am wrong or you are right. So lets see I can chose to believe what I don't see because it is my believe, or I can believe what others try to convince me is the right way to believe because it is their beleive. Yet as far as I know no one has ever, let me repeat ever come back and said that yes in fact there is a heaven or no there isn't.
No one can prove that evolution is correct or any other theory for as far as I can tell, only my humble intelligence, which is very minut, because no one is still alive to say yup it all began like this. Everything is theory, a believe or a faith...don't hate I will stick to mine I like it, I trust it and hey its mine. It works for me.
Please, I am not shoving my believe down anyones throat, it is mine and I love it cherish it and it works for me.
fiesty
PS...Nope I didn't say that your mom and dad didn't have a part in your birth, what I do believe is that God started the initial process and gave your parents and all others the ability physically to recreate...my faith...don't hate. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 8:26:40 AM |
there has to be a god or nothing means anything. there has to be a purpose to my life. It scares me to death to think that all i am is a biodegratable mass. there has to be more. as far as we know to date we are the only living species in our known galaxy to question our own mortality and that fact to me is an encouraging thought.
Hardly convincing. That is analgous to people who say the US invasion in Vietnam or in Iraq "has to" mean "something" ..or all their soldiers died in vain.
what kind of "proof" is that? so now the original North Vietnam occupies "all" of Vietnam..so what did it all mean? | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 9:10:20 AM | "Nope I didn't say that your mom and dad didn't have a part in your birth, what I do believe is that God started the initial process and gave your parents and all others the ability physically to recreate...my faith...don't hate."
No God involved. Two cells from two people meet, there's a fusion and an embryo is formed which may or may not become a human. Now, if it's your faith to believe God is involved, then that's your reality. But it's not universal reality. I doubt God sits and watches over you while you are having sex and fusing cells.
I'm a believer but not a blind one.
"No one can prove that evolution is correct."
Actually, you can. We all evolved. You can read science texts/research articles if that's your thing, if not you can choose to believe what people have always believed due to religion.
We must not forget that the religious people thought the earth was flat and Copernicus was executed only because he went against what "God" had made. Even though his answer was correct over the religious fanatics.
Wait and watch, a day will come when there will be stronger and solid proof of evolution and from where I see, it's not that far away.
Again, I do believe that there could be a higher being. However, I don't choose to ignore the scientific facts. Having faith in a higher being is my personal reality whereas science is the universal reality. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 11:26:38 AM |
there has to be a god or nothing means anything
This is an honest, straight from the heart statement so please don't think I'm making fun of you....but do you really feel that way?
Are the lives of your friends and family really meaningless without a god?
Or is it that you feel you shouldn't care about anything if your existence has an end?
It scares me to death to think that all i am is a biodegratable mass
And here lies the true fear of all religous people....
But if you look beyond yourself and your immediate perception you'll see that this isn't true. There is a saying...'No man is an island' perhaps you've heard this?
It means that we don't exist in isolation. Our lives change the coarse of history more than we know.
there has to be more
And what if there is?
What if you die, go to heaven, and exist forever. Then what?
Would you be content to worship at the feet of god for eternity and sing his praise?
Or would you grow bored eventually? After you've experienced all there is to experience, then what?
Personally I don't believe in god, at least not as a conscious being guiding us and the universe towards some unseen fate. Explaining the origins of our universe is complex enough without trying to explain a sentient being and where the hell he/she/it came from. 
So Does God Exist?
Maybe. Maybe not.
But I know that I exist.
And if there's even the slightest chance that this is all there is to my life I want ever moment to count!  | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 12:50:08 PM | Yes, God does exist. Ever wonder why certain people still feel empty after having everything under the sun! Rember King Solomon? The King who had everything under the sun (wealth, power, 1000 wifes, wisdom...) still said all the earthly possessions are simply vanities. It is the Love of God that he wanted most.
It is the positive force of LOVE that can create or build. Other forces such as hatred, mistrust, greed, ambition, etc. at times can be powerful but they tend to destroy everything it its path. Ever wonder that a Love between a man and a woman is simply a simulation of the Love between the Creator and mankind?  | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 2:02:06 PM | mm don't think God watches over everyone making love, but if He chooses to I think it is possible. Yes Yes I do know how babies are made mm but that said who created the cell???
GOD!
Ok ok I am blind, yup I am I believe blindly, like a child, I choose to have blind faith...it works for me!
Praise God!
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 4:07:08 PM | Ever wonder that a Love between a man and a woman is simply a simulation of the Love between the Creator and mankind?
No.
Who is then the "creator" and who "mankind"?
Most religions, even if one takes away their "religion" status, are IMO quite good "social systemics" and worth following as a social/philosophical view on life and LOVE for humankind etc.
But people can believe in God or a specific God or even in an imaginary friend for adults if it makes them "feel" better. As long as they remember that Society is ruled by Constitution and laws produced by democratic means and no religion gives people who believe in it the license or "right" to be "above" the secular laws. Else we have chaos! That is why Socrates drank the conium.
(discussing this topic in the Philosophy/Science thread as the OP decided obviously affects the approach to the topic, ie scientific and mostly, philosophical, the existence of God or not is a philosophical topic too as the Ancient Athenians demonstrated inter alia) | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 4:36:10 PM | TheDerful and dianoor made the points on "evolution being proven" and "Pascals wager" that I would have put, so I won't repeat them... but I would like to add this quote. :)
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder"
- Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Yet as far as I know no one has ever, let me repeat ever come back and said that yes in fact there is a heaven or no there isn't.
So why jump to conclusions? ... no one has ever come back from somewhere and said, "I've seen Pink Unicorns" either but we don't believe in them.
A rational person says "No evidence no belief" because if you you accept heaven with no evidence the same logic requires you to accept everything else with no evidence... even contradictory fairy tales.
there has to be a god or nothing means anything
The way I see it Life has MORE meaning without belief in gods.
I appreciate the beauty of Nature for what it is and how it came about .. the numerous little steps that add up to grand things.... Amazing and intriguing stuff.
If we see no good reason to believe that there's an after life with second chances, we have good reason to make the most of our short time.
IMO Beliefs based on reason and evidence, rather than jumping to conclusions, are honest beliefs, and surely if a God did exist he would prefer honesty.
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 4:55:37 PM | I'm not a scientist, but I play one on TV...uh...Okay I don't even do that, but I am a very logical thinker. So lets think about this for a second.
While it is true that there are systems of evolution that can be scientifically verified, that does not rule out the idea that evolution has been God-guided. In fact, the complexity of the universe, the ecosystem, and even our own human bodies suggests that existence is intentional rather than accidental, regardless of whether the Darwinists want to believe it or not. But lets talk about some systems of evolution.
Lets say that I decided to plant a flower garden in my backyard. I wouldn't be able to do it by setting off a bunch of fire crackers (big bang) where I want the garden to be. I would need to plant the seeds, water them, and pull the weeds. The evolutionary process from seedlings in the dirt to a beautiful flower garden would need to be guided by me every step of the way. If I left the garden unattended, weeds would grow and choke out the flowers. Oh sure, there would still be plant matter there, but there would also be chaos instead of order. I believe the same principle applies to the universe since it is much larger and more complex than a flower garden.
Question : If I were to detonate a bomb in a junk yard full of used auto parts, would this result in the formation of a really nice car?
Answer : Nope. I would need to learn about auto mechanics, gather the correct parts and the tools, and build the car in order for it to exist.
Question : If I were to detonate a bomb in my garage, which is a really big mess right now, would the explosion put the tools in the tool box, place the other scattered items on the shelves, and take out the trash?
Answer : Nope. In fact, I would need to call the fire department to keep the rest of my house from burning down, if there was anything left of it anyways.
Darwinists and creationists alike can throw around all kinds of crazy scientific data. But for me, the simple truth about order and chaos that can be observed right here in my own environment speaks volumes more than any amount of scientific data.
Your mortal scientists have been about discovering the matter that makes up the fabric of the universe. But they have failed to understand the implications of what the existence of such matter actually means.
Question : Does God exist?
Answer : Yep. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 6:03:49 PM |
that does not rule out the idea that evolution has been God-guided
I agree, that in itself does not rule it out, and most major religions accept Darwinian evolution as a reasonable theory.
But there's till no need to jump to the conclusion of a god. That's the fundamental flaw in religious thinking.
the complexity of the universe, the ecosystem, and even our own human bodies suggests that existence is intentional rather than accidental,
It does look like there was a guiding hand at first glance I agree, but as you follow the evidence using the laws of nature, the little steps build up into amazing intricate structures all on their own with no need to add the ill-supported supernatural God theory. Occam's razor.
If I left the garden unattended, weeds would grow and choke out the flowers. Oh sure, there would still be plant matter there, but there would also be chaos instead of order.
We do have chaos, and we have entropy... isn't that evidence against a god?
If I were to detonate a bomb in a junk yard full of used auto parts, would this result in the formation of a really nice car?
Wouldn't your bomb analogy better apply to the unsupported god theory?
Evolution, both of the universe and Darwinian evolution has a huge and growing amount of scientific evidence to support it. The God theory has only decaying and crumbling Dogma. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 7:00:30 PM |
Look at your computer, does it exist? It was made correct? Do you know who made it? Did u see them make it? How do you know they exist? The computer exists
Guess what? I can go to a computer manufacturer and actually WATCH a person make the computer.
Look in the mirror? Do you exist? You were made correct? Do you know who made you? Did you see yourself made? How do you know the creator exist? You exist!
This is a fallacy. Critics of creationism/intelligent design don't believe humans were "made." | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/8/2007 7:22:54 PM | | If there is a god like perspective, then only god would be fit to occupy it, while we must remain firmly rooted on earth. We can try to satisfy our curiosity, but we must be satisfied with who and what we are. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/9/2007 5:32:31 PM | There is a God the contravery has stopped. 
fiesty | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/9/2007 11:23:11 PM | "Sings"
Every body dance now .. dit dit dit dit
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/10/2007 1:29:04 AM |
there has to be a purpose to my life.
Look inside yourself... If you do not know your purpose, nobody else will...
Purpose is never found because purpose is forged in the finding... | |
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