Mulva
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Joined: 12/28/2007
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/11/2008 10:16:21 PM | While not about the women here, this thread reminds me, when I first moved here as a pre-teen from SoCal, the kids here were meaner and definitely more prejudice than where I came from.
I guess they can be like that anywhere because there were certainly mean kids in SoCal | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/13/2008 2:00:45 AM | | There is a joke expression about Seattle folks and how we treat others. "Sure! C'mon up to Seattle! See the sights! Ride the rides. Spend your money, then get the hell out!" When tourists come up and complain about how hilly it is we just say: "Of course it's hilly...but look at the view you get!" And, of course...the rain. Our pat answer for that is: "We love the rain! It keeps the tourists away!" | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/13/2008 7:45:36 AM | While not about the women here, this thread reminds me, when I first moved here as a pre-teen from SoCal, the kids here were meaner and definitely more prejudice than where I came from.
I agree with you Mulva, the people up here think they are great liberals but I disagree. I came from the San Fran Area in 1990 and I truly believe that these folks rank just one step ahead of the South as far as being prejudice and conservative. I think most men up here would rather go out with a disfunctional blonde with three inches of brown roots whose skin is the color of baked cod than a healthy woman of color. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/13/2008 2:16:24 PM | Wow. I would have never thought that, personally, but I have no experience with that. I'm sorry that's your experience. :( That makes me sad, actually.
I'm just hoping to get out before the Seattle Ice gets me. :) That'd be no fun at all. I've already had the best Chinese food I've ever had in my life anywhere in the international district, thanks to my new roommate. I can't wait to get there and embrace the city. Portland is great... but I am really looking forward to Seattle. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/15/2008 7:53:14 AM | I hope you don't get assimilated!!!
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Wow. I would have never thought that, personally, but I have no experience with that. I'm sorry that's your experience. :( That makes me sad, actually.
I'm just hoping to get out before the Seattle Ice gets me. :) That'd be no fun at all. I've already had the best Chinese food I've ever had in my life anywhere in the international district, thanks to my new roommate. I can't wait to get there and embrace the city. Portland is great... but I am really looking forward to Seattle. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/15/2008 8:16:21 AM | haha. I had no clue it was a collective! I shall be out and playing. Oh yes I shall.
The weather is much more bitey in Seattle, though, that's for dang sure. Of course, I say this as I sit at home on a two hour delay of my workday start because of ice on the roads here... :D | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/16/2008 11:50:45 AM |
I agree with you Mulva, the people up here think they are great liberals but I disagree. I came from the San Fran Area in 1990 and I truly believe that these folks rank just one step ahead of the South as far as being prejudice and conservative.
I'll actually agree with you 100% on that one. Around the DC area they're much more "liberally conservative" than here, where "conservatively liberal" seems to be the norm. Seriously, go downtown DC during business hours and it'll be difficult to tell the PETA lobyists from the NRA lobyists. They all wear Brooks Brothers. Not so here, the outside appearance is liberal and the smack is also, but a LOT of these folks would be dyed in the wool conservatives back in DC. I can see how that would throw a lot of folks for a loop (has me once or twice).
Susu, after a year in GA, I had enough racism from both sides of the fence to last me a lifetime. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/16/2008 5:32:57 PM | | I grew up in California and what I experienced there even in the late fifties and early sixties was nothing like present day here. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/16/2008 5:51:12 PM | I'm sorry to hear that susu, and I hope you find what you're looking for.
You're a bit out of my dating range, but I'd still be pleased to call you a friend and walk down the street with you anyday :)
Salut!  | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/16/2008 6:02:46 PM | Susu, that's unfortunate... I would hope that Seattle is a more progressive town than that. I guess I'm surprised and I'm not, at the same time. I went to school in Spokane with many Seattle-ites, and saw many bi-ethnic (I hate race... I really do. It's a social construct that's messy and blech) couples in my time there, and quite a few of my friends married someone of a different ethnicity than themselves. On the flipside... for every person who didn't adopt the attitude that health and attitude was more important than ethnic background and physical appearance, there were five more dating emaciated blondes with orange skin while some of the most beautiful and vibrant women of every other ethnic background walked right by. :(
Good luck and happy fishing. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/16/2008 6:50:03 PM | Susu, I've found Seattle to be the same. Sure there are a lot of people who "say" they aren't racist but they live in white neighborhoods and never interact with people other than whites unless they are a service worker or maybe a coworker. These people are "safe" liberals as far as I can see. They talk a good talk but live in a white bubble.
Personally, I live in a very ethnically diverse area by choice and have since I was in my early 20s in NYC. I lived in some pretty rough areas of Brooklyn, NY and loved it. I have absolutely NO problems with anyone and never have. I date anyone who I have things in common with no matter what their skin color. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/26/2008 12:58:58 PM | I read thru most of the replies and maybe a better question might be....
What do the women of Seattle want ?
Maybe by figuring out what it is they are looking for, then you'll be more able to strike up a conversation with them. Just a thought, hehe. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/26/2008 1:07:47 PM | | That is another thread. Its been done. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/27/2008 4:46:41 PM | | Read our profiles, Golddragon. Most women specify what they want there. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/27/2008 5:05:08 PM | Thats the thing, Miss Gingersnap, they have to read the profiles, not just look at the pictures.  | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 1/29/2008 1:34:51 AM |
Thats the thing, Miss Gingersnap, they have to read the profiles, not just look at the pictures.
That's a good start. :)
I think the other part of the problem is that most folks (especially men) really haven't learned how to propperly communicate, and relate with the oposite sex. Men and women don't talk about the same things in the same ways. We don't perceive or relate to the same things the same way. How to communicate effectively with women and still be a man just isn't something most fathers teach their sons.
It is curable though :) | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/2/2008 5:58:18 AM | I came back to Seattle from Portland, and would say Seattle women are polite and pleasant, but less friendly. The word for Seattle people is civil. They almost always break for pedestrians, and NEVER cut in line. They are never loud, and expect the same. You need very good manners in Seattle. I spend my winters in Brazil now and there it is the complete opposite: hyper-friendly, curious, sexually open , but noisy and few manners. However, you could easily be hit by a car there, or harmed by something careless.
There is also a strong element of political correctness in Seattle proper. In the burbs it's religion. Your politics can be moderate to even a bit liberal and you can dislike George Bush, but that alone will rarely pass the tenants of liberal correctness that runs rampant here. Secular moderates or nonconformity doesn't fit in real well, or is in the closet. This definitely shows up in dating where an incredible almost boring level of conventional wisdom (CW) prevails.
There is also an element of status seeking here. Seattle is (or was as it is now bursting) one of the hotbeds of the housing mania/Bubble , which is the source of it's artificial wealth. Most women think it is real however. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward, but I decided not to buy a house in a market hyper inflated by toxic mortgages and loose credit. The CW response to a renter here is definitely snotty. Guess we now see who gets the last laugh on that one? | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/2/2008 7:26:23 AM | | I beg to differ. Seattle is one of the least liberal places I have known. I grew up in the Bay Area, San Francisco, Berkely, Oakland that is liberal! What lies under those "good manners" are attitudes that reek of conservatism. They probably disagree with the liberal politics but are too introverted to argue with them. Personally, I think there are a lot of phoney people up here. You talk about manners and correctness but I can honestly say I was shocked the first time I went to the symphony in the evening. There were all manner of dress, jeans, athletic shoes, fleece wear, none which was appropriate for that type of event. People here are certainly not accepting of other's religious thoughts or beliefs. This is the first place I ever encountered blatant racism from an organized group. I was 35 when I moved here. I have been nearly run over by a car in the cross walk too many times to count. In California, even putting your front wheels in the cross walk is a major fine. The most boring base ball game I ever attended was one I went to in Seattle before the new ball park. People clapped politely. Needless to say, I stayed away from live games for about ten years. BORING!!!!!!!!!!! Give me, friendly, curious, nosey, yelling, laughing, hugging people any day of the week. At least you can tell they are still ALIVE! | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/2/2008 11:25:58 AM | Fake Money in Seattle? Now thats funny.
From my perspective Seattle is full of cheap skates if anything. I mean I live in one of the most costly places to live now and yet I see the rich still living a middle class life style, middle class car, middle class everything. Infact the man who developed the land I live on, drives a old nasty truck and lives in a shack, and he is a millionaire! Women here granted I see on ads all the time asking for a financially independent man. In translation that literally means someone who has money and isnt so dependent on the rat race to get it.
I grew up in Plano Texas and lived there for 15 years. That was fake money there and their attitude was uber snobby and you were judge on what you had and not who you were personality wise but rather who your a somebody. I saw people living there who didnt have to and could afford a water front property with a view of the Olympics without having to alter their life style.
Women in Plano were fake, because they grew up that way, with a silver spoon in their mouth and expected the same treatment when they got older. They wore expensive clothes, drove luxury convertibles and live in homes that cost 2 million for starters even thought they were cookie cutter houses, it was all about imagine.
Women here I noticed arent like that. They got a good head on their shoulders and are more open minded. Instead of putting on the war paint and driving their convertibles, they would rather don a sweatshirt, or some other simple article of clothing and drive their car that was made in the 80's or a hand me down and they will drive it into the ground. Another reason I am still here. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/2/2008 9:18:12 PM |
they have to read the profiles, not just look at the pictures.
You wrote a profile?  | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/3/2008 8:59:59 AM | Hey cutie! I like a smart ass. Shows a glimmer of intelligence. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/4/2008 7:27:00 PM | I spent some time in Houston so I know what you mean about "fake". Having been born and raised here it was a horrible experiance. LOL
Having to don full make up at 7am on a Saturday morning to go get some coffee just so people would treat you decently was way more work then it was worth.....goodness. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/5/2008 6:42:09 PM | To the OP:
Maybe some of your experiences are more a function of being a transplant and not yet finding the hangouts where people of like-mind are. That happens everywhere you go, I think. Once you find a few places you like and frequent them, things open-up...maybe not as fast as you want, but it does happen. Being in areas where you're likely to meet people with similar interests helps avoid the strain of "coming up with something to talk about." I'm not sure that clubs and bars count though...unless there's a special function happening like a wine tasting or a bunch of Seahawks fans meeting to watch a game, for example.
I don't get the cold shoulder when I talk to people, male or female, when I'm out. I grew-up in the South and lived on the East Coast for 15 years, and I don't think women are any less approachable out here. It's true that people on the street aren't too likely to say "Good Morning" to a stranger in Seattle (however, they do farther south on I-5!), but that was the same in CT and DC. The bigger issue is that it's hard to meet women not already in a relationship. Seattle, according to my friends, is the city of couples.
BTW conversations are not synonymous with "small talk" imho. I'm not big on "small talk" either but there is a difference between empty, boring****ail banter to fill the lulls and actually having an interesting conversation with someone. If that's hard for someone to do, it will be difficult for them to connect with a lot of people (male or female). For some, being shy is the issue, and for others, the initial approach isn't a problem, but maintaining interest with good conversational skills might be a challenge. You can be "direct" and a good conversationalist at the same time. | |
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| Women In Seattle
Posted: 2/5/2008 7:07:16 PM | I enjoy an intelligent conversation if that level can be reached on a first date. I do not enjoy talking about lip gloss or shoes, or how about those Mariners or Seahawks. I am neither able nor willing to carry on a conversation on that level for more than five minutes.
Hapa2007 , I find it interesting that you say it is hard to meet women not already in a relationship but that is what my single girl friends say about meeting available men. So what is that about? Are we all so unaware that we pass each other like ships in the night? Or is there some other phenomenom going on out there on the SINGLES FRONTIER? I notice that the more present I am in the moment, whether walking around in Seattle or going from place to place in my work or after work errands, the more I get smiles, hellos and even conversations from total strangers. | |
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