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 GrandmaBooBoo

Joined: 12/30/2006
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Posted: 1/24/2008 12:38:27 PM

My ex, in one of the last encounters before he left, while still above and inside of me, as I made those "deep, low sounds," says to me: "Wow, you sound like an ol' heffer!"
Ohhhhhhhhh, I am SOOOOO Bad.....I would have really had a hard time restraining myself from responding....."Yeah, too dang bad you're not hung like an old BULL"!

LOL! I also hate to admit it.....but anti-porn isn't "my case", I just understand the theories. LOL! I actually WISH that mine had looked at porn....he thought any sex other than for procreation was dirty and wanted no part of it. To him...it was a disgusting act that one just had to do occassionally.....like 3 or 4 times a YEAR!!! LOL!

Women's "toys".....now there's a cause I will defend! LOL! Beats the hell out of dating DOLTS!
 UglyOldJohn

Joined: 8/11/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 1:16:40 PM
I think that I just figured out the whole problem here. Women actually believe that sex is supposed to be fun, exciting and enjoyable. See how women can be absolutly unrealistic about some things. Whats next? You are going to expect to be treated with respect and dignity too? Geez you get to vote, what more do you want???
 friendlyldy

Joined: 6/9/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 3:07:27 PM
Yes, sex is supposed to be fun........it's when we feel safe enough to let go and have a ball...........Unrealistic? My reality check bounced........
 GrandmaBooBoo

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Posted: 1/24/2008 3:11:33 PM

Geez you get to vote, what more do you want???
LOL! Pens that don't run out of ink, comfortable beds that don't hurt our backs, Passionate Kisses.....and FUN SEX! LOL! You got a problem with that????
 Wherefore Art Thou?

Joined: 7/21/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 9:30:30 PM

I would have really had a hard time restraining myself from responding....."Yeah, too dang bad you're not hung like an old BULL"!
Man! I wish I coulda thoughta that!!!

Guess I was too astonished and humiliated at the time.

Oh how I miss those sweet nothings he used to say, like, "I wanna f*ck your momma! Your mommy's a whore!" Yeah boy, that really got me in the mood! Or when he'd say he wanted to set me up in a motel and watch other men f*ck me, just so he could show the world what HE had. So romantic that guy was!!!

I can't say he was that bad all the time, to be fair. Funny thing is, I actually loved the guy! On the surface he was a goddam hero, wonderfully intelligent, a fine police officer, real straight arrow and all that. He just had this anger thing, p!ssed off all the time...

And he had that same whine that a certain forum friend who shall remain unnamed has about not gettin' enough sex in the marriage.

Hmmmm. Go figure!


Whats next? You are going to expect to be treated with respect and dignity too? Geez you get to vote, what more do you want???
Indeed!
 UglyOldJohn

Joined: 8/11/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 9:58:48 PM
Ms BooBoo I don'thave a problem with fun sex, I'm just not getting any.........next freaking question??????
 Desertbro

Joined: 9/29/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 10:22:47 PM

LOL! I didn't "encourage" mine to "look" at it.....

You used quotes which I thought meant you were being sarcastic, then told a story , so I though you were trying prove otherwise. Oh, well...


Oh....now, let's talk about our dildos! How many times have you heard a man whine about THOSE???

I suppose they do whine, but then isn't that the most OPPORTUNE moment to tell your man that the plastic is a substitute (sometimes, and sometimes not) and you'd rather have HIM? Isn't that the time to say "Listen, I know it may be awkward or difficult, but I'll like to try it like THIS" and show him with the dildo???

What women don't recognize is that porn is NOT A SUBSTITUTE for sex. It's just something DIFFERENT. A motorcycle is NOT a substitute for a car, is just a different way to get where you are going. No man wants to give up his car, but he wants his motorbike, too, and he's OK if you don't want to ride piggyback, 'cause it's fun all alone.
 1jasrtk

Joined: 12/19/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 11:04:49 PM
Appreciated your comment . Keeping your love life hot takes more work than most men are willing to offer.The effects of abusing our bodys(alchohol, drugs)also has an effect that many underestimate.Ihope I find a generous woman like yourself to share my life with.
 GrandmaBooBoo

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Posted: 1/25/2008 6:22:31 AM

Ms BooBoo I don'thave a problem with fun sex, I'm just not getting any.........next freaking question??????
LOL!!! Well John.....all I can say to that is....."I feel you pain!" I'm not getting any either.....below are just a few of the reasons that I've found it totally futile to even try:


You used quotes which I thought meant you were being sarcastic, then told a story , so I though you were trying prove otherwise. Oh, well...
People always assumming that they know what you mean, want, thought, said etc. BETTER than you did. IE. people who have been so traumatized by one or two past experiences that they can't let it go and move on to the NEXT thing in life.


I suppose they do whine, but then isn't that the most OPPORTUNE moment to tell your man that the plastic is a substitute (sometimes, and sometimes not) and you'd rather have HIM? Isn't that the time to say "Listen, I know it may be awkward or difficult, but I'll like to try it like THIS" and show him with the dildo???
Assumes that a partner will always lack the tender consideration to deal tactfully and lovingly with the partner who is shy, inhibited and needs time and encouragement to feel comfortable with experimentation.


A motorcycle is NOT a substitute for a car, is just a different way to get where you are going. No man wants to give up his car, but he wants his motorbike, too, and he's OK if you don't want to ride piggyback, 'cause it's fun all alone.
LOL!!! This so totally reminds me of when my ex husband and I were sitting in the Marriage Counsilor's office....and the counsilor says to US......"you know, you have to be WILLING to SHARE things, experiences, adventures ...with each other. I looked at my ex....the counsilor was looking at ME. Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was happening. My ex liked motorcycles.....so...I bought myself a motorcycle....and WE rode motorcycles. He liked camping....so we went camping. EVERYTHING that he enjoyed doing.....I supported whole-heartedly. I never complained....rode hundreds of miles in pouring rain, went tent camping at 20 degrees....I did complain a bit when he opened the tent in the middle of the night to go pee, but who wouldn't!!!! When I wanted to go ride rollercoasters.....NO FRIKKEN WAY.....he would stay on the ground and hold my purse...but he wasn't getting on that damn thing. We joined a "club" with our best friends....Saturday night dances....our friends were dancing....but US.....NEVER. SO, I talked him into taking dance lessons....which, he was ok with....but even after he'd learned his right from left foot....still.....NO DANCING!

While my ex was in college full time (I was working 70-90 hrs a week)...an he still expected ME to entertain him constantly.....one night I said to him...." Don't any of your friends at school ever stop after class for a drink or something?" "Yeah", he says. "Well, I reply....don't they ever ask YOU to join them?" "Yeah"....."Well then why the hell DON'T YOU???" Simple.....he just wanted to suffocate me, make me responsible for ALL this needs, and make me feel guilty because he was too dang boring to get a life unless I was holding his little hand every step of the way!

Now, on the flip side.....after I divorced the ex....the man I dated for the next 7 1/2 years would try ANYTHING! Although he did occassionally "praise" me for my willingness to enjoy whatever he wanted to do (including sexually) MORE often than not, he'd criticize me for "being too easy to please"! OMG!!!

So pardon me if I don't take the "whines" of men seriously....because I have 38 years of relationship experience which has demonstrated that most of you wouldn't be happy if we hung ya with a new rope! What started with Adam is still alive and going strong today! "Well, that WOMAN that YOU gave me....SHE made me do it!" Passive/aggressive WHINING.

Women DO have a sense of adventure...and they DO love sex, intercourse....whatever you choose to lable it. What they LACK however, are MEN with the courage to drop the passive/aggressive (who can I blame this on if it goes wrong) attitudes. Granted, not all women have as active an Adventure Gene as others....but it's there nonetheless; just waiting for a MAN with courage and confidence to switch it on. The guys who are on here whining that woman are looking for "perfection"....well, pardon me...but they're idiots. Any woman in here can probably tell you that one of the MOST endearing qualities a man can have is the ability to accept an occassional failure with dignity.....and not let it effect his next attempt. Too many men however turn 1 simple failure into a self fulfilling prophacy, get angry with themselves, take it out on everyone around them, and give up trying in any real ways. One comment earlier suggested that his porn magazine didn't complain about B.O.B. An astute point, but what he failed to consider is that the porno/masturbation scenario is more than just a "substitute" or a "different way".....it's passive/aggressive....it circumvents any possibility of "feedback". IE....it never "fails" you; nor you it.
My final point: is Jealousy! You're damn right we're JEALOUS! But we're NOT jealous of the silicone injected bimbos you're jacking off with. We're jealous of the hard ons you're wasting on a photograph that neither WANTS or APPRECIATES it! If a man is in a relationship with ME....then I damn well OWN every erection he gets....I don't care if it's 3am, or if I've already had 3 that day.....it's MINE....I WANT it....or at the very least I want a say in what's going to be done with it, but one way or the other, I'm going to accept responsibility for it......OTHERWISE.....I wouldn't be in the relationship. Too many people today balk at the concept of "ownership". LOL! well....this is already too long, I'll just shut up now. I am however very curious to see if a LOT of women don't feel exactly as I do about this!
 MacKevinized

Joined: 2/15/2006
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Posted: 1/25/2008 6:58:08 AM
Hey there's plenty of dysfunctional women that find insults to men common ground to ban together.
There's a bunch here that have had years of practice and new ones popping up all the time looking for new creative ways to 'own' a man's erection.
And there's even a few masochistic men that will pay for the vise you'd like to keep their testicles in.
However people are individuals and it's obvious to me there's a limited supply of masochists available.
Good luck in your search and don't be surprised in finding less and less chances to apply that vise grip.

Remember your history is available to everyone that may actually look at your profile.
 GrandmaBooBoo

Joined: 12/30/2006
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:20:32 AM

Good luck in your search and don't be surprised in finding less and less chances to apply that vise grip.

Remember your history is available to everyone that may actually look at your profile.
POST IT BABY!!!! LOL! Put it out on the table where everyone can examine it! I call your bluff....and raise you 10 brutal truths!
 mudbones

Joined: 4/3/2005
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:26:42 AM
Being an older gentleman I prefer women around my age there is a common bond and we can talk about things in the past.In most cases we have sown our oats now its time to reap the harvest.Women twenty years my junior I can't seem to find anything to converse about.To me as a woman get past the age of fifty she become more attractive and refined.To me she becomes the key to the right door,the door that has to be opened and the nest in which you want to settle.
 steveracer

Joined: 12/21/2005
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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:22:12 AM
For me give me a late 40's early to middle 50's woman anytime, it's just finding one thats the trouble. I don't like talking about the past all that much, I would rather talk about the Here and now or contemplate the Future, but that's just me. Am I strange in thinking that way, don't know but it's better too me than staying stuck in the Past. Just my opinion and we all know what that's worth.

Carry on with the slinging, it makes for interesting reading.
 cdn*guy

Joined: 1/12/2008
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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:44:34 AM
It's difficult, with the moderators deleting and moving threads around, to find the morning 'bash-a-lot' thread. I really wish the site would mark things a little better.

cdn guy
 mudbones

Joined: 4/3/2005
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Posted: 1/25/2008 12:23:09 PM
I don't know why you even try to answer that guy no matter how long you try you are never going to balance his check book,if nothing has been planted how can you reap anything
 aNgeLiCbLoNdiE

Joined: 9/7/2006
Msg: 316
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Posted: 1/25/2008 4:03:48 PM
Wake up Maggie, I think I've got something to say to you
It's late September and I really should be back at school
I know I keep you amused
But I fell I'm being used
Oh Maggie, I couldn't have tried any more
You led me away from home
Just to save you from being alone
You stole my heart and that's what really hurts

The morning sun when it's in your eyes really shows your age
But that don't worry me none, in my eyes you're everything
I laughed at all of your jokes
My love you didn't need to coax
Oh Maggie, I couldn't have tried any more
You led me away from home
Just to save you from being alone
You stole my soul and that's a pain I can do without

All I needed was a friend to lend a helping hand
But you turned into a lover and mother, what a lover, you wore me out
All you did was wreck my bed
And in the morning kick me in the head
Oh Maggie, I couldn't have tried any more
You led me away from home
'Cause you didn't want to be alone
You stole my heart, I couldn't leave you if I tried

I suppose I could collecd my books and go on back to school
Or steal my daddy's cue and make a living at playing pool
Or find myself a rock and roll band
That needs a helping hand
Oh Maggie, I wished I'd never seen your face
You made a first class fool out of me
But I'm as blind as a fool can be
You stole my heart but I love you anyway
I'd never seen your face
I'll get on back home, one of these days

 GrandmaBooBoo

Joined: 12/30/2006
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Posted: 1/25/2008 4:11:41 PM
To refresh everyone's memory, THIS is the Thread Topic:
Hiya, I'm fairly new to this site but started reading here in the forums and find it entertaining lol. I would like to hear from the guys why they think older woman don't like sex. Just because you were in a marriage for x number of years and your wife wasn't interested anymore doesn't mean she doesn't like sex. It simply means she was most likely bored with sex with you.


I'm curious however, about exactly who you think is bashing who, and who's "slinging"? The entire thread cites example after example as supporting evidence of the original comment. We've seen the same chronically malcontent opinions that consistantly try to compare apples to oranges by stating that THEY were once married to a woman who didn't like sex...or pornography...and trying their best to make it fit into THIS topic. How can you even rationalize that what a 30 yr old woman did or did not do with you 10 or 20 yrs ago....if evidence that ALL women hate sex...especially "mature" ones???

You've seen those who twist other people's words and stubbornly insist that their crystal ball told them what they really meant. You've seen those will cling til their dieing day, some worn out, poor me mentality, and then vehemently defend their overexaggerated wounds on anyone who would dare to suggest that perhaps THEY might have at least been partially responsible for their current misery.

I believe that one of the biggest points here is that MATURE WOMEN DO enjoy sex....but they want to do it with MATURE MEN! Maturity is NOT a chronological age, it's an attitude. Many people will not, at age 90, have reached the maturity level that some people have at age 40. A good part of "maturity" is having a strong sense of responsibility....and the ability to see a given set of circumstances from several different viewpoints. But even that is not enough when you're talking about 2 "mature people" being in a relationship. After you've looked at a situation from different viewpoints, you then have to ACT on what you've learned, considering that IF you're going to "get along" with someone....you might occassionally have to bend a little!

Mac perceived my comment about "ownership" in the typical most negative light possible. That's the mindset...that all women are out to put all guys balls in a vice....you will NEVER dissuade him and others like him from this negative thinking. Some people are very happy being victims. BUT, if you look at "ownership" in the way that I MEANT it....it's a VERY POSITIVE thing. If you own a home.....are you not more inclined to "take good care" of it than if you were renting from someone else? How many times have you heard a parent (perhaps your own) say that you can "own" a pet....when you show enough responsibility? It's simple....if you want a puppy, you have to be mature (responsible) enough to give it food, water, affection, excercise, clean up after it, etc. IF you want a "partner"...then you SHOULD be mature enough to understand that that partner is depending on you for certain things. Once again.....here will come the chronically malcontents....the perpetual victims! NO, it's a RELATIONSHIP....between 2 people....therefore 2 people are equally responsible for the needs of the relationship. Problems arise when the 2 people have lied about what those needs are from the beginning, OR when either or BOTH of them clam up, pout, or just flat out refuse to discuss their needs as they change. Yes, people's needs do change, and to maintain a successful relationship...the parties involved have to be willing to change and adapt with them.

Which brings us back around to the TOPIC: that just because a person doesn't enjoy sex with YOU....doesn't mean that they don't enjoy sex.
 SimplySweet45

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Posted: 1/25/2008 4:59:42 PM
Thank you Grandma Boo Boo for your excellent post # 321 I agree with it 100%.


Keeping your love life hot takes more work than most men are willing to offer

^^ This coming from a man # 312.
Yes it does take a lot of work, but so worth the effort. It's important to have it all, foreplay, "five play" as ( cdn*guy) so beautifully called it, romance, love, and respect.


Cheers to the over 45 woman!
 Desertbro

Joined: 9/29/2007
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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:31:30 PM
GrannyBB: Okay, so you got more issues than National Geographic. At least you know it.


My final point: is Jealousy! You're damn right we're JEALOUS! But we're NOT jealous of the silicone injected bimbos you're jacking off with. We're jealous of the hard ons you're wasting on a photograph that neither WANTS or APPRECIATES it!

GrannyBB: Men lose more ejaculate by accident than a pornstar will see in a lifetime. Erections come and go like the wind when we're young, like the sun, when we're older, and like visiting relatives when we're old. By that time, we've wasted more erections standing in elevators, walking down sidewalks, sitting in classrooms, or waiting in line than a woman could own on a 1000 honeymoons.

If you are truly THAT desperate for male members, it's time to drop all the pretense and just go get the meat from the next 10 guys that email you. You have made it clear that you don't expect anything from them as far as personality goes, so just get what you want, be happy, and stop standing outside magazine shops with a torch.



If a man is in a relationship with ME....then I damn well OWN every erection he gets....I don't care if it's 3am, or if I've already had 3 that day.....it's MINE....I WANT it....or at the very least I want a say in what's going to be done with it, but one way or the other, I'm going to accept responsibility for it......OTHERWISE.....I wouldn't be in the relationship. Too many people today balk at the concept of "ownership".


At least you ADMITTED it, which is more than most women do. The ACLU may have a bone to pick with you, but I'm sure you could probably find a special club where men aren't afraid to be "owned" by a woman who doesn't respect personal space.
 chelsea_hou

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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:47:17 PM
uglyoldJohn: With your wit and charm I find it very hard to believe YOUR not getting any....btw your not ugly....
 GrandmaBooBoo

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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:10:16 PM

You have made it clear that you don't expect anything from them as far as personality goes, so just get what you want, be happy, and stop standing outside magazine shops with a torch.


Once again proving the art of immature male speak and that just because a woman doesn't like YOUR personality.....doesn't mean she doesn't doesn't expect something in the line of personality in order to have a sexual interest in a MAN. Read it again.....MATURE women WANT MATURE Men!!!!! IE. NO FRIKKEN WHINNERS!!!!
 Desertbro

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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:44:45 PM
GrannyBB, you are so easy! Thanks for the chat. Don't forget to re-interpret my emoticons!
 GrandmaBooBoo

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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:59:33 PM

GrannyBB, you are so easy! Thanks for the chat
LOL! DesertBro....we're come full circle TWICE by you proving what was said PAGES ago when Broward dared any woman to admit that she loved intercourse.....and the women told you that we're NOT ALLOWED to......lest we be labeled.....


you are so easy
WHY are you STILL arguing with yourself? LOL! You've proven repeatedly that several men participating (aggitating) in the forums don't say what they mean, mean what they say, don't know what they want, say they want one thing and then go 180 the other way. You've proven that challenges thrown down as evidence of one point are actually "traps" being set so someone can twist it around and do EXACTLY what you're doing now!!! LOL! You scream you want sex, sex, sex.....and then when she says, yeah... (as your hero challenged) I want intercourse, intercourse and more intercourse....then you start bellyaching like a little girl...that she doesn't care about....PERSONALITY??? ROFLMAO!!!!

The saddest part of it is, that you have no idea how many males have sent me email congratulating me for pointing out your hypocritical statements. Sometimes people think that they've "won" an argument simply because the "opponent" has shown the good sense to walk away and let them think they're great at debating. I'm a little more tenacious than most....LOL! plus....I don't have anything better to do, so I've tried to point out where the argument is flawed, but it's extremely difficult to engage in a rational and logical debate with someone who's so emotionally overwraught with personal issues that they can't grab onto abstract concepts. At this juncture, the most anyone can do....is wish you the best of luck.
 My I

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Posted: 1/26/2008 4:59:40 AM
LOL! DesertBro....we're come full circle TWICE by you proving what was said PAGES ago when Broward dared any woman to admit that she loved intercourse.....and the women told you that we're NOT ALLOWED to......lest we be labeled.....


As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.

On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement?

It may not be true but, I kinda interpret you as saying, "We want to complain but we don't want to face the consequences of our grievances."

No matter the gender, the issue or the consequence.... if you can't follow through with it.. don't do it."

Procalim your enjoyment in intimacy and don't worry about the words of others; that's the premise of liberation and independance. Quite frankly, if it's a personal preference regarding sex, it's ok. Those who "label" you are the jerks - letting their bias morals rule is self defeating.


As a footnote: I don't jack off to porn.
(Not that it means I will get dates from women who love intercourse.)
 GrandmaBooBoo

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Posted: 1/26/2008 6:18:57 AM

As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.
I do believe that you should read the last few pages....AGAIN! I in fact, DID express myself, and that DID in fact, lead directly to the exact reactions which I had predicted.
I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.
I believe that the source of your "confusion" is related to your believe that I am arguing (debating) a personally held belief. I am NOT. I am arguing (debating) a CONCEPTUAL IDEAL.

On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement?
Another problematic premise; I don't see where the topic we are discussing is in any way related to the "womens movement". Had I even the first inkling that the underlying topic was the "womens movement"....I can assure you that I would be debating the extreme OPPOSITE side.....and I am personally very ANTI "women's movement". Maybe I can type this is a size 4 font (I am vehemently opposed to ANY group of people who do nothing but whine and bellyache because they all the rights, but NONE of the responsibilities of another group of people who earned their way through hard work, determination, great sacrifice, intelligence and skill....ie...that would be "ye men of olde")

It may not be true but, I kinda interpret you as saying, "We want to complain but we don't want to face the consequences of our grievances."

No matter the gender, the issue or the consequence.... if you can't follow through with it.. don't do it."
Hmmmmm, now I do believe that I stated EXACTLY the same sentiment several times. You are confusing the results of my "experiment" with my personal convictions; and thinking that I'm seething with anger when in fact...I'm LMAO.

Procalim your enjoyment in intimacy and don't worry about the words of others; that's the premise of liberation and independance. Quite frankly, if it's a personal preference regarding sex, it's ok. Those who "label" you are the jerks - letting their bias morals rule is self defeating.
A fact that I've been well aware of and practiced for neigh onto 30 yrs....but I think that you and I may be one of very few who "get it!"
Perhaps a HINT will help those less enlightened :

The affective dimension of critical thinking
Critical thinking is about being both willing and able to think. Ideally one develops critical thinking skills and at the same time the disposition to use those skills to solve problems and form good judgments. The dispositional dimension of critical thinking is characterological. Its focus in developing the habitual intention to be truth-seeking, open-minded, systematic, analytical, inquisitive, confident in reasoning, and prudent in making judgments. Those who are ambivalent on one or more of these aspects of the disposition toward critical thinking, or who have the opposite disposition [biased, intolerant, disorganized, heedless of consequences, indifferent toward new information, mistrustful of reasoning, imprudence]are less likely to engage problems using their critical thinking skills. The relationship between critical thinking skills and critical thinking dispositions is an empirical question. Some have both in abundance, some have skills but not the disposition to use them, some are disposed but lack strong skills and some have neither. Two measures of critical thinking dispositions are the California Critical Thinking Disposition Inventory [1]and the CM3 [2].

Critical thinking may be distinguished, but not separated, from emotions, desires, and traits of mind. Failure to recognize the relationship between thinking, feeling, wanting, and traits of mind can easily lead to various forms of self-deception, both individually and collectively. When persons possess intellectual skills alone, without the intellectual traits of mind, weak sense critical thinking results. Fair-minded or strong sense critical thinking requires intellectual humility, empathy, integrity, perseverance, courage, autonomy, confidence in reason, and other intellectual traits. Thus, critical thinking without essential intellectual traits often results in clever, but manipulative, often unethical, thought. In short, the sophist, the con artist, the manipulator often uses an intellectually defective but effective forms of thought---serving unethical purposes. However, whereas critical thinking yields itself to analytical considerations readily and may be considered largely "objective", few humans notice the degree to which they uncritically presuppose the mores and taboos of their society (and hence fail to discern their own “subjectivity.” and one-sidedness).

Further analysis and resources about the interaction between thought, desires, and emotions may be found in Roderick Hindery (2001): Indoctrination and Self-deception or Free and Critical Thought and in Paul and Elder (2004): The Human Mind.
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