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 My I

Joined: 1/23/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 4:59:40 AM
LOL! DesertBro....we're come full circle TWICE by you proving what was said PAGES ago when Broward dared any woman to admit that she loved intercourse.....and the women told you that we're NOT ALLOWED to......lest we be labeled.....


As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.

On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement?

It may not be true but, I kinda interpret you as saying, "We want to complain but we don't want to face the consequences of our grievances."

No matter the gender, the issue or the consequence.... if you can't follow through with it.. don't do it."

Procalim your enjoyment in intimacy and don't worry about the words of others; that's the premise of liberation and independance. Quite frankly, if it's a personal preference regarding sex, it's ok. Those who "label" you are the jerks - letting their bias morals rule is self defeating.


As a footnote: I don't jack off to porn.
(Not that it means I will get dates from women who love intercourse.)
 GrandmaBooBoo

Joined: 12/30/2006
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Posted: 1/26/2008 6:18:57 AM

As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.
I do believe that you should read the last few pages....AGAIN! I in fact, DID express myself, and that DID in fact, lead directly to the exact reactions which I had predicted.
I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.
I believe that the source of your "confusion" is related to your believe that I am arguing (debating) a personally held belief. I am NOT. I am arguing (debating) a CONCEPTUAL IDEAL.

On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement?
Another problematic premise; I don't see where the topic we are discussing is in any way related to the "womens movement". Had I even the first inkling that the underlying topic was the "womens movement"....I can assure you that I would be debating the extreme OPPOSITE side.....and I am personally very ANTI "women's movement". Maybe I can type this is a size 4 font (I am vehemently opposed to ANY group of people who do nothing but whine and bellyache because they all the rights, but NONE of the responsibilities of another group of people who earned their way through hard work, determination, great sacrifice, intelligence and skill....ie...that would be "ye men of olde")

It may not be true but, I kinda interpret you as saying, "We want to complain but we don't want to face the consequences of our grievances."

No matter the gender, the issue or the consequence.... if you can't follow through with it.. don't do it."
Hmmmmm, now I do believe that I stated EXACTLY the same sentiment several times. You are confusing the results of my "experiment" with my personal convictions; and thinking that I'm seething with anger when in fact...I'm LMAO.

Procalim your enjoyment in intimacy and don't worry about the words of others; that's the premise of liberation and independance. Quite frankly, if it's a personal preference regarding sex, it's ok. Those who "label" you are the jerks - letting their bias morals rule is self defeating.
A fact that I've been well aware of and practiced for neigh onto 30 yrs....but I think that you and I may be one of very few who "get it!"
Perhaps a HINT will help those less enlightened :

The affective dimension of critical thinking
Critical thinking is about being both willing and able to think. Ideally one develops critical thinking skills and at the same time the disposition to use those skills to solve problems and form good judgments. The dispositional dimension of critical thinking is characterological. Its focus in developing the habitual intention to be truth-seeking, open-minded, systematic, analytical, inquisitive, confident in reasoning, and prudent in making judgments. Those who are ambivalent on one or more of these aspects of the disposition toward critical thinking, or who have the opposite disposition [biased, intolerant, disorganized, heedless of consequences, indifferent toward new information, mistrustful of reasoning, imprudence]are less likely to engage problems using their critical thinking skills. The relationship between critical thinking skills and critical thinking dispositions is an empirical question. Some have both in abundance, some have skills but not the disposition to use them, some are disposed but lack strong skills and some have neither. Two measures of critical thinking dispositions are the California Critical Thinking Disposition Inventory [1]and the CM3 [2].

Critical thinking may be distinguished, but not separated, from emotions, desires, and traits of mind. Failure to recognize the relationship between thinking, feeling, wanting, and traits of mind can easily lead to various forms of self-deception, both individually and collectively. When persons possess intellectual skills alone, without the intellectual traits of mind, weak sense critical thinking results. Fair-minded or strong sense critical thinking requires intellectual humility, empathy, integrity, perseverance, courage, autonomy, confidence in reason, and other intellectual traits. Thus, critical thinking without essential intellectual traits often results in clever, but manipulative, often unethical, thought. In short, the sophist, the con artist, the manipulator often uses an intellectually defective but effective forms of thought---serving unethical purposes. However, whereas critical thinking yields itself to analytical considerations readily and may be considered largely "objective", few humans notice the degree to which they uncritically presuppose the mores and taboos of their society (and hence fail to discern their own “subjectivity.” and one-sidedness).

Further analysis and resources about the interaction between thought, desires, and emotions may be found in Roderick Hindery (2001): Indoctrination and Self-deception or Free and Critical Thought and in Paul and Elder (2004): The Human Mind.
 Just JJ

Joined: 2/20/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 6:29:32 AM

Just because you were in a marriage for x number of years and your wife wasn't interested anymore doesn't mean she doesn't like sex. It simply means she was most likely bored with sex with you


I couldn't have said it better myself.. lol

They convince themselves that SURELY it must be the WOMAN who is frigid and hates sex, RATHER, then accept the truth that they were TERRIBLE in bed...

lol ya gotta love it
 Knittin Kitten

Joined: 1/15/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 7:35:00 AM
Of course OLDER women enjoy sex..... (If ya think about it, almost every woman is an "older" woman to someone!)

I just don't think it's necessary to "prove" our point by agreeing to have sex with everyone who asks.....and, perhaps, this is where SOME men get the mistaken idea that we don't like it.

I have not read all 14 pages of this post, but I have read MUCH of what has been said by Grandma.....and, folks.,......she's soooooooooooo right. (And, you can also learn a lot more about this smart woman by reading her profile. It's excellent!) There's not much need for me to add anything more to what she and many of the others have already said.....some, of course, will NEVER get it.

I'm not about to hide any of my feelings for fear of having to accept the consequences. I believe that by open communication of my feelings, many "consequences" can actually be avoided.

Just my thoughts.

Knittin Kitten

 ankkka

Joined: 8/29/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 7:46:50 AM
At my age...with excellent health...I enjoy everything what is only possible for me.
I have many habits...but I have many ideas to live for.
And I have joy for life...and nothing and nobody can take this away from me!
 cdn*guy

Joined: 1/12/2008
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:11:56 AM
Hmmmm ... older women who don’t like sex ?? It seems to go against the natural order of things, doesn’t it ?? I don’t mean to sound rude, but if I were a man (which I am) and was coming to the conclusion that older women don’t like sex (which I haven’t), I think I might be prompted to examine my ... (how can I say this nicely?) ... techniques.

No, no, no ... I’m not saying that I’m any great ‘wupp’ in the bedroom ... but in over 4 decades of sexual activity, I’ve yet to meet a woman who doesn’t enjoy sex – older or otherwise – and most, every bit as much as I do.

cdn guy
 shipoker55

Joined: 12/27/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:38:34 AM
I think what women say in these forums..and what they do in real life is twi different things. i hear women talk, I see women about, I watch them from afar. I really do believe they are more talk than action. Jesus takes a more prominant role in their lives than their husbands or mates. Going to church becomes more inportant than intimacy.
They talk a good game....but actions speak louder than words................... JMO
 Desertbro

Joined: 9/29/2007
Msg: 331
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:43:48 AM

....we're come full circle TWICE by you proving what was said PAGES ago when Broward dared any woman to admit that she loved intercourse.....and the women told you that we're NOT ALLOWED to......lest we be labeled.....

So you are STILL arguing with Broward?

I only made a statement that I've never met a woman that encouraged a man to look at porn. You've made no statements of experience that is counter to this. You'll offered reasons WHY women don't do this, but I didn't ask you WHY. You've said you've shown interest in sex, but I didn't ask if you were intererested in sex (Broward's question).

I don't know what you THINK you're arguing about since I didn't disagree with your reasons, I only pointed out that your personal attitude is extremely negative toward male behavior. Not an argument, just a fact. It's apparent in how you repeat your personal history in every thread and follow up by slinging insulting terms to males in general.

Your novella starts here: --->>> Have fun.
 AgelessWonder

Joined: 4/12/2006
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Posted: 1/26/2008 9:20:54 AM

I think what women say in these forums..and what they do in real life is twi different things. i hear women talk, I see women about, I watch them from afar. I really do believe they are more talk than action. Jesus takes a more prominant role in their lives than their husbands or mates. Going to church becomes more inportant than intimacy.
They talk a good game....but actions speak louder than words................... JMO


I know exactly what you are talking about. However, IMO, it is not fair to compare the love of God with the love of a SO. There is room for both! I could never ask a man to put me before God, nor would I be expected to. JMO
 GrandmaBooBoo

Joined: 12/30/2006
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Posted: 1/26/2008 10:04:08 AM
Ageless, you're treading dangerous ground now by mentioning either God, or alluding to the "unfallen" sexual nature. Yes, the "curse" pronounced on women was that her "desire shall be to the husband, and he shall rule over her." Which makes this statement null and void:
I really do believe they are more talk than action. Jesus takes a more prominant role in their lives than their husbands or mates. Going to church becomes more inportant than intimacy.
If this were true , then her desire WOULD be the exact opposite of what this poster suggests. And, as you've seen the vigorous rejection of the term "ownership"; men most definitely oppose the principle that sex is MANDATORY...there's not squabbling over one feels like it or not...it is the "due benevolence" (duty, good will) of both a husband and wife.
Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and LIKEWISE also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power over her own body; but the husband, and LIKEWISE the husband hath not control over his own body; but the wife. Defraud ye NOT one another, EXCEPT it be WITH consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer and COME TOGETHER again that Satan NOT tempt you for your INCONSISTENCY.


There are far too many fakes, upholding hypocritical theories; they argue emotionally rather than with reason, they neglect to examine evidence; and probably MOST of all, they knuckle under to politically corrrect nonsense, or merely adopt the attitudes of those who are whining the loudest in the hopes of getting at least some negative attention since they lack "what it takes" to get positive attention.
The answers are right there in front of them...but they REFUSE to see it. IE; they don't want what they SAY they want....they're rather keep on singing the Poor Ole Me tune, than to resolve their issues and lose all the sympathy for how badly they've been "victimized". "You can be POWERFUL, or pitiful....but you CANNOT be both". Their choice quickly becomes evident....they have chosen to remain "pitiful". Need I say it again....MATURE WOMEN WANT MATURE MEN! (not pitiful ones)
 MacKevinized

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Posted: 1/26/2008 10:48:40 AM

MATURE WOMEN WANT MATURE MEN! (not pitiful ones)


Right on, and they do as do mature men are meeting mature women.

But mature men and women don't bicker and insult each other and their respective immature opinions.
They have no need for long drawn out explanations about what mature is and they have no need to hear or speak of fakes with hypocritical theories.

If a mature woman isn't getting satisfaction she communicates with a mature man about how to provide satisfaction.
If it is a dysfunctional relationship, both are at fault for not trying to remedy the situation essentially acting immaturely.

Some people are powerfully pitiful, usually ranting about all the fakes they attract cause the mature ones know how to get it.
 swtcarolinej

Joined: 11/11/2006
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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:43:03 PM
Mac ...how refreshing to hear this from a man just goes to show there are a few out here..
My ex was very selfish in the bedroom and I learned( this is all there is I guess)..my how time can change us.
I have found there are very thoughtful fullfilling lovers out there who knows how to please there woman..
Sex isnt something we women hate ,its the partner and their willingness to please..takes a mature man to do that!!
 swtcarolinej

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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:52:23 PM
Mudbones..come over here and well talk
 AgelessWonder

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Posted: 1/26/2008 1:47:15 PM

Ageless, you're treading dangerous ground now by mentioning either God, or alluding to the "unfallen" sexual nature.


GrandmaBooBoo, I had no intention of debating God in this thread, was only responding to the poster's remark... Being married to an unbeliever who thought he was god was probably the reason for my response. He was not only jealous of my faith in God, but our children as well. When someone makes a remark such as above it is a red flag to me, and spells out "needy".. JMO of course.. Some people think that one person can meet all their needs, and in my honest opinion, that is impossible. Like you stated Mature Women want Mature Men...
 mskitty57

Joined: 12/16/2007
Msg: 338
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Posted: 1/26/2008 1:55:19 PM
Older Women are just tired of the Poke& Go & The Bump & Dump, so when we hold off, that means we know it's better when we have sex with someone we're passionate about.
 Desertbro

Joined: 9/29/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 4:14:03 PM

Some people think that one person can meet all their needs, and in my honest opinion, that is impossible.


Do you think it's possible that one person can meet all the needs of another?
(Pretty much the same question as above but from the giver's perspective rathet than the receiver's.)
 AgelessWonder

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Posted: 1/26/2008 5:31:24 PM
^^^ No, it goes both ways. It is great to have a SO, but also you are an individual and if you expect to give or receive everything to meet your needs, you will be disappointed, in my opinion. Also if you think you can give someone everything they need... to me that spells trouble with a capital T. Two people should compliment each other, not smother them.

Whatever I said....
 Wherefore Art Thou?

Joined: 7/21/2007
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:21:59 PM
Well, I was just driving by and thought I'd check in on this train wreck again...

Just to let you all know, not that you really have any interest, but to say so is cathartic for me....

I woke up yesterday in tears. I had been dreaming again. For whatever reason, and no, it's not active love anymore, I have been having unexpected dreams about my exhusband. After more than fifteen years of being away from that marriage! Anyway, as I posted earlier in this thread, I was reminded of a particularly difficult memory of our time together due to someone else's comment here.

My recent dreams have been of the better times from the marriage. I must admit that the good times outnumbered the bad from those years. And, believe me, the sex was wonderful for both of us for the majority of those years together. (And I went on to have very gratifying sexual and emotional relationships with two other men in the ensuing fifteen or so years after the marriage.)

I'm writing now to say that our marriages and relationships are too complex to see as black-and-white or I'm-all-right and he's/she's-all-wrong. Most of us, I hope, married or loved the person whom we loved for good reason. That person filled so many of our needs at one point. As all "mature" women are complex and different from all others, and ditto for all "mature" men, let's quit with the generalizations and silly arguing!

You know what Rodney King said, right?

And, although I can't remember the quote exactly at the moment and don't feel like researching further, Tolstoy said famously something like: 'All happy families are alike. All unhappy families are each different in their own unhappy way.' Substitute "marriages" for "families" and you'll get the point...

I know some of my idiosynchrosies would try the patience of a saint. I know I'm not the easiest person to live with for various reasons. I just hope to find one compatible soul here of the male gender. And I hope that I've learned enough humility and insight from my history of loving relationships to be able to complement a new lover to the best of my ability. I am confident that the sex will be good, as has been my past experience for the most part.

Now, why can't we all just get along? ...or something like that! Happy fishing to all!
 friendlyldy

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Posted: 1/26/2008 9:30:46 PM

... but in over 4 decades of sexual activity, I’ve yet to meet a woman who doesn’t enjoy sex – older or otherwise – and most, every bit as much as I do.


Thanks! It's nice that there's at least one guy out there who realizes that women of all ages do enjoy sex............
 MacKevinized

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Posted: 1/27/2008 7:50:50 AM

Just because you were in a marriage for x number of years and your wife wasn't interested anymore doesn't mean she doesn't like sex. It simply means she was most likely bored with sex with you


I couldn't have said it better myself.. lol

They convince themselves that SURELY it must be the WOMAN who is frigid and hates sex, RATHER, then accept the truth that they were TERRIBLE in bed.


A mature man would love to please a mature woman but would not have to run from one because he would not even try geting involved with a woman that he knows has a tendency to get bored with it.
It shows she lacks the ability to communicate how not to get bored with it.

As far as I'm concerned, If a woman isn't enjoying her self she is terrible in bed and even worse at communicating it. I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince her I'm good,m

Broadcasting bedroom boredom on the net will defiantly not excite someone that actually likes pleasing a partner.

Seems finding a eunich with a dildo might be an answer
 Ode2WestWind

Joined: 12/26/2007
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Posted: 1/27/2008 8:45:01 AM
Oh MacKevinized, I'm about to break my resolution not to respond to your posts.

As far as I'm concerned, If a woman isn't enjoying her self she is terrible in bed and even worse at communicating it. I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince her I'm good

You have the interpersonal sophistication of the guy I was dating my first and second year in college. I lack nothing in communication skills and I am fully developed sexually. Some men aren't able to process constructive criticism... and that is why he didn't remain my boyfriend the third and fourth year of college.
 GrandmaBooBoo

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Posted: 1/27/2008 9:28:24 AM

You have the interpersonal sophistication of the guy I was dating my first and second year in college. I lack nothing in communication skills and I am fully developed sexually. Some men aren't able to process constructive criticism... and that is why he didn't remain my boyfriend the third and fourth year of college.
> Ohhhhhh, I knew that guy Ode!!!! LOL! ya tell 'em, and tell 'em, and tell 'em.......and they're still saying...."No, REALLY....tell me what you REALLY like" ROFL! Pretty soon you just give up and tell 'em what they wanted to hear all along...that they know it all and you have no opinions worthy of their consideration.

Interpersonal sophistocation LOL! Thank you! I always just called them "cowards".
 MacKevinized

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Posted: 1/27/2008 9:35:23 AM

You have the interpersonal sophistication of the guy I was dating my first and second year in college.


Why thank you I never wanted to be sophisticated enough to land a date based on the fallacy I was ever that sophistic.


I lack nothing in communication skills and I am fully developed sexually. Some men aren't able to process constructive criticism... and that is why he didn't remain my boyfriend the third and fourth year of college.


Your communication skills landed you that guy in the first and second year didn't they and they landed you the next guy too but here you are.
Most people are not able to handle constructive criticism and spend a lot of time dissing the critiques they get instead of admitting they failed. That's why I like teaching martial arts, It's painfully obvious when dummies try to prove a piont to someone that already gets it.
 Desertbro

Joined: 9/29/2007
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Posted: 1/27/2008 10:19:15 AM
MacKevinized: Dude, sometimes you really ROCK!!!
 redarcangel

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Posted: 1/27/2008 1:43:26 PM
As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.
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First of all..rights and independence have nothing to do with the sexual revoluion on a whole. There maybe some aspects that can connect the two..but the bruning of bras was meant not as a sexual defiance..but a gender defiant act. Men don't usually wear bras..mostly women do..and therefor it was symbolic in meaning to free ourselves from many important issues that had nothing or little correlation to sex..but the opposite gender being given privileges women were never considered entitled too. There are many more issues to deal with in the women's movements that have absolutely nothing to do with sex as the subject. This then makes me wonder..what is the prevalence you put on the women's movements? Sexual..or gender relevancy? JMO

On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement?
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No..that says something of the small-minded. Sticks and stones here. Now..through the women's movement..the shoe has been put on the other foot. Men are now being called male-sluts..manwhores..prostidudes..and so on. Guess what? They don't like it. That's why they're called derogatory remarks. They're negative overbearing aspects that pinpoint one part of what makes the human..not the whole human. These connotations are what a lot of women have had to deal with for far too long regarding sex. I don't think getting used to..or letting such remarks roll off ones back..makes a negative a positive. There still derogatory remarks. That hasn't changed. IMO

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One doesn't have to "practice" having sex in order to make known there is an interest..a desire..a want..or a need in ones life for sex. Just as one doesn't have to advertise their belief in God/superior being/s in order to be considered at all religious. It can be a major role in their life..without the advertsing..but that doesn't mean they are any less sexually desired..or religious. JMO.

I think the problem then..lies in those that feel the need to announce and make known any and all sexual desires..on a constant basis. A sexual addiction of sorts. JMO.

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Your communication skills landed you that guy in the first and second year didn't they and they landed you the next guy too but here you are.

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Mac..then this leads me to once again ask..if you're relationship is so fulfilling..why are you still here..and not spending all the time you have to devote to that "special" someone..rather than demeaning..and belittling..those of us you deem losers (with your negative and very derogatory remarks) for not finding the "special" mate for us within YOUR 3 month deadline? Why bother? Just asking.
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