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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/15/2007 9:20:27 PM | A friend of mine during high school was this; some people would call him 'abnormal'
He had half the school convinced that he was a psychopathic cannibal...I still don't know how the rumor started, or more importantly, survived...and he said one day, in a live interview to the whole school that emo kids have one purpose..."They taste yummy...because they have a high fiber diet." as he licks his lips...from that moment on, people were freaked out by him...which was pure gold, because, he was normal, he just liked to be left alone, aside from his actual friends.
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/16/2007 9:42:14 AM | | OMGWTF how the hell did Green Day start the Emo thing? Green Day's not even Emo! Rites of Spring was Emo long before Green Day even formed. And Ian Mackey of Minor Threat and Fugazi was the one who first coined the term "Emocore" to describe bands who's style of Hardcore punk was more melodic then traditional hardcore punk. And BTW Weston originally invented the current wave of pop-punk, not Green Day, and The Buzzcocks where the original innovators of Pop-punk. Green Day's REAL Punk (you can say there pop-punk sometimes, but there never Emo) Emo's not about cutting your wrist for the millionth time and tight pants arent a neccessity (though they do serve a practical function). Emo's actually a way of life, it's a way of belonging to something bigger, some people arent content to pretend that they have no feelings just for "being a man" and it's very liberating having an outlet where you can be real instead of have this overly macho mask. As society changes tradition's get outdated, I am punk so I recognize that society needs to change big time, the fact that Bush got into office say's that America has more serious problems then a group of free thinking creative people that dress Emo and go to Hawthorne Heights concerts. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/16/2007 11:10:21 AM | | Do you take it for granted that people know what Emo is?closest word I know to that one is Emu, is Emo a rock band or something?! | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/16/2007 3:22:46 PM | Hate... not really. Some tunes are catchy. Panic at the Disco has a few that are *okay*...
It's 'punk/goth light'. Watered down somehow. Like pop is to rock.
Seems to me that when The Smashing Pumpkins came out they opened a whole can of worms that we just can't close the lid on. (Although I do love the Pumpkins, we gotta admit they started it all somewhere...)
All in all, whiney music just gets on my bloody nerves. The lead singer from Radiohead's voice can do it to me too. 'Karma police' sends me though the roof!
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/17/2007 4:28:41 AM | | I dislike them because of the way they act in public and the way they portray themselves.. They are incredibly ignorant people. They as people also do not know where the real EMO culture came from, it came from good music and thats what people dont understand. People think emo is short for emotional music which it is not.. it's short for Emotive hardcore. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/17/2007 9:52:45 AM |
Hate... not really. Some tunes are catchy. Panic at the Disco has a few that are *okay*...
It's 'punk/goth light'. Watered down somehow. Like pop is to rock.
Panic! At the Disco??? I thought we we're talking about "Emo" in this thread??? Of course I like Panic! At the Disco Time to Dance and Lying is the most fun... are awsome songs by them. And about your 'punk/goth light' damn if that's a common definition of Emo I can see why I've been accused of being an Emo all these years (and I thought it was because I talked about how awsome Dashboard Confessional, The Get Up Kids (who've I seen back in 99 in concert), and Promise Ring where back in high school :D ) I don't like Radiohead either but I havent heard too many of there songs (the one I've heard was ultra-long and lacked a certain Indie or Punk flavor to make it worthwhile) | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/17/2007 9:56:10 AM |
it's short for Emotive hardcore.
I know I've mentioned that before I love that whole Moss Icon, Still Life, and Right's of Spring sound and have allways wondered why Indie (Get Up Kids, Deathcab for Cutie) or Punk (Hawthorne Heights, Taking Back Sunday) get's the label while sounding nothing like the 80's Emo bands I mentioned (Taking Back Sunday was influenced by Fugazi and Hawthorne Heights was influenced by Quicksand, but I still don't think of TBS or HH as Emo) | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/17/2007 11:44:20 AM |
Panic! At the Disco??? I thought we we're talking about "Emo" in this thread??? Of course I like Panic! At the Disco Time to Dance and Lying is the most fun... are awsome songs by them. And about your 'punk/goth light' damn if that's a common definition of Emo I can see why I've been accused of being an Emo all these years (and I thought it was because I talked about how awsome Dashboard Confessional, The Get Up Kids (who've I seen back in 99 in concert), and Promise Ring where back in high school :D ) I don't like Radiohead either but I havent heard too many of there songs (the one I've heard was ultra-long and lacked a certain Indie or Punk flavor to make it worthwhile)
I underdstand what you're saying here; you're saying that the majority of people have misconceptions of what Emo is culture wise, as a music option, and as a lifestyle choice. You're trying to separate what others think it is from what you percieve it to 'truly' be. But there's a whole lot of other people out there who are Emo that think along the lines you are trying define Emo away from.
I cringe when people define Marilyn Manson as Goth, I hear you. But to alot of people that music *is*. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/19/2007 4:46:05 AM | marilyn a goth? lol.
He seems to be far more leaning in the industrial camp (having been mentored by trent reznor in the 1st place it kinda makes sense), the look however I can understand why people might have a preconception and the fact that even though he's a snarling mentalcase live and on his video's he's incredibly articulate as a person doesnt really help that.
and dita von teese .. hehe.. ahem where was i?
Oh yeah emo!, its kinda like the new romantic thing aint it, with the expressive haircuts and the moody look. I dont mind some of the music myself aslong as its subject matter isnt something daft like slitting your wrists because life is so futile, thats not really something the youth of today need to be hearing .. far too impressionable.
But its not going to go away theres no doubt about that and its going to be a comedy style insult for a fair while yet, the youth pick up on these things and label quickly (I think this is a knee jerk reaction to magazines and media), those who can class themselves as emo as i said before should just enjoy it whilst they can, these things pass by and evolve so quick.
remember nu metal?.. what happened to that. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/20/2007 7:46:25 PM | | I think it's just 'fashionable' to hate something that is popular, and at the moment "emo" fits the bill. I call it the Nickelback phenomena. When Nickelback was first out, they were loved and acclaimed. As soon as they got wildly popular, the backlash of 'sell-out' cries could be heard. No one wants to see their fave, private discovery, progressive-rock band actually get popular. You ask anybody and the response is... "Nickelback sucks". Well, millions of record sales state otherwise, but people are a fickle, selfish lot when it comes to music. So My Chemical Romance and other emo bands are the current fave to hate. It's cattle mentality and I refuse to fall into that element. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 7:46:21 AM | Nickleback does suck. At least I think. And the world happens to be a cold, hard place. And the Emo population knows this and that's why they tend to write poetry and song lyrics the way they are generally.
So My Chemical Romance and other emo bands are the current fave to hate. It's cattle mentality and I refuse to fall into that element.
As you can tell from my main picture I like MCR as I have one of there shirts on... however they are NOT Emo!!! Arrrgggghhh  Good thing you refuse to fall into the elemant. Real Emo like I said before is Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, (old) Jimmy Eat World, Promise Ring, The Junior Varsity, and depending on who you talk to the Get Up Kids. And MCR sounds nothing like them. MCR is Gothic Pop-punk (so it's no surprize that I like them) so I can understand why people mislabel them "Emo" but people should research something instead of listen to some DJ on some random station. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 8:29:15 AM | -
almost all are fakers. Really? Since every little pocket of Emo has it's own definition it's really hard to "fake" as you say, people honest to god have mood swings, even men, no use hiding it. And some people are just sensitive, poetic, and melancholy and people for some weird reason entrepet that as "sad"
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they really have no reason to whine. If they had that bad of a life, move to Africa and starve. So suck it up. Like I said the world is a cold hard place, especially if your different, people hang with those who are of like mind
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the music is boring.
Allright, listen to Grey Matter, Moss Icon, Promise Ring, The Get Up Kids, Senses Fail, or Further Seem's forever then tell me how boring Emo is.
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they claim they're being different, but really, they are just all being the same as each other.
Well, they are different then you and me, but have a sense of belonging with eachother as they have similiarities in common, as for me I allway have a good time visiting the Emo tribe, like I said Emo's are the nicest people (actually punks or goths would be a better name, I am a punk afterall.)
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everything from the way they act, to what they listen to is generic. howso?
- they whine. and whine some more.
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they are the most god damn boring people to go to shows with. I really, really, really have to disagree with you here as when I saw the Get Up Kids back in 99 it was a fun show. And when I saw Taking Back Sunday last month with some Emo friends (though Taking Back Sunday arent Emo themselves) they where pretty fun to be with ^_^
- in my books, sensitive is usually just code for being a p*ssy.
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flashing your cut wrists around? wow, two words; attention seeker. This is a poser behavior.
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all being emo does is promote no fashion sense, anti-social behaviour and an addition to myspace/facebook/vampirefreaks. There is no reasonable premise for this stereotype.
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most emo kids react badly when you call them emo. which makes no sense. Like I said before "Punk" or "Goth" is a better term, no one likes being called an "Emo" but there comes a point where you stop caring that people say your Emo as you hear it so much.
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scene is just as bad . Oh don't you be knocking Scene, I was a Scene kid, now I'm a Scene adult :D (While I don't believe in labels I have the belief's and attitude of a punk, have the spirituality of a goth (and no not a satanist, Neophytes erroneously confuse them), and also have many, many scene charicteristics, however if I must have a label I think I'd be a mall-punk as I allways go down the street to Spencers, Hot Topic, etc in the mall)
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they have really bad hair, most of the time. Ummm, the hairs pretty normal, I see nothing wrong with it in fact whenever I go along time without a hair cut I've allways had an "Emo" hair style as it looks normal. The hairstyle goes into other genres as well.
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There is a fine line of male grooming. emz break it by way too much. no guy should have eyebrows thinner than mine . I trim my eyebrows, and I still manage to stand in my masculinity pretty well.
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Tight pants, not a good idea. personally, I don't want to see every teenager guys package through his pants when I walk down the street. If I wanted to, I'd take him home and screw him.
The pant's arent THAT tight, they should be as tight as reasonable.
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The x's. Wow. Stupid.
some of my friends use those x's.
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The being vegan just cause you're Emo. It's like blind patriotism, but for a good cause. If you knew how cheese was made you'd be a vegan too. Besides it's sad how those animals are treated and the practice of eating meat is simply outdated. Wow a caveman in 30,000 BC has an animistic belief that he gets some of the strength of said animal, so he eats animal. Or he saw a lion eat a piece of meat and he wanted to be strong, just like the lion. Modern man however knows eating meat will do no such thing, and is fact detrimental to the environment AND your health (IE: Trans fat + cholesterol are bad) Remember people in ancient times thought poison (IE: mercury) was medicine, so meat is not neccessary for people to survive and hurts more then it helps)
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The fake straightedger's. Dumbest thing ever. And for the straightedgers who break edge a week later. P.S. if you're under the legal age limit, you're just complying with the law
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:15:20 AM | | Because emo music often pride's itself in its poetic lyrics and emotional content. The key to good poetry however, and a even just a good happy life in general (which you can't argue isn't what everyone is after, to NOT want happiness contradicts its definition) is reflecting on these emotions to come to some sort of positive conclusion or solution at least make an observation or commentary on them that doesn't simply point out the emotion and sensitivity of the artist because that is already evident if they are going to be writing music anyways. Some emo is good art, alot of it however is written by teenagers whose brains are not yet fully developed and they are still hormonal and oversensitive, and it causes them to think that pouring their broken heart out to the general population is a good thing. The thing about emo music is that if it is made as a sort of musical journal for the artists own sake then kudos to them for expressing themselves in such a good way, but if they are distributing their music they should really think about how they are reflecting on whatever situations they are in and what messages they are sending. Very long story short, cheer up emo kids. Life is too short to be sad, its just a waste of your own time, and it brings everybody else down. Happiness and Sadness are both contagious, but which would you really rather spread? | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:52:04 AM | Yeah, Manson is DEFINENTLY more industrial than goth, but then again.....to the average person the line between those two genre's is pretty vauge.
Just listen to digital hardcore and scream at people. Thats the best way to do it. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 1:43:14 PM | | I'm gonna say this, to be honest, I personally DON'T understand Emo. But I have a very Large background in music. I am very open to everything, meeting new people, tasting new foods. Why can't I be open to a new genre of music. I think people are judgmental because like everything else, they don't know about it. Plus, if you see people who dress so-called "Emo"...It's not in the Norm. But what can you call normal these days? It's just that person's style. It makes them unique. Sure, I will admit it does kind of freak me out, since I am probably one of the preppiest girls you'll ever meet. The only place you'll find me is in an Abercrombie, American Eagle, or Hollister store. But if it's what makes them happy, then so-be it, and shut your damn mouths. For me, AE, A&F, and HoCo. makes me happy. Maybe that's what makes them happy. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 7:02:41 PM | [qoute]Posted By: Ender on 5/21/2007 7 04 PM
Subject: Why do so many people hate Emo?
Message: Yeah, Manson is DEFINENTLY more industrial than goth, but then again.....to the average person the line between those two genre's is pretty vauge.
Without a shadow of a doubt and I do find it difficult to see how people cant tell the difference between gothic and industrial.. the dress sense for a start may be similiar from a clothing point of view but theres alot less makeup involved industrially, Unless its a gimmick your trying to pull off (like mortiis who used to look like a very ugly little goblin thingie).. the music itself is very different too. Gothic is guitar lead, industrial is lead by its percussion... both share similarities in that the lyrical content is always very heavy, interspersed with anything up to 10minutes worth of instrumental track (or in a band like tools case.. lift music.. still the funniest thing ive ever heard in the middle of an album, if you want to know what im on about seek out tools album Aenima).
Course theres a whole argument over where NIN fits in now... are they rock? prog rock? ... electronical rock power ballads? .. its not as clear cut as it was back with skinny puppy etc. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 7:07:56 PM | I don't so much have a problem with "emo" per se, I just have a problem with the whole idea that you must dress/act to fit a certain subculture idea.
You have people out there claiming to be "punk", "emo", "a metalhead" or whatever group you feel like you want to belong in. Who cares? The whole conforming to fit into your subculture by reading the right books, watching the right movies, wearing the right clothes is crap.
Also to the guy and the statement: That emo=conformity...Not to start a flame war but the whole idea of having to have a mohawk to be punk is probably the one of the biggest stereotypical ways to conform to your punk subculture. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 7:17:27 PM |
the dress sense for a start may be similiar from a clothing point of view but theres alot less makeup involved industrially
here we go again...were talking about music....let me ask the emo kids a question...have you ever sat in a dark room between your towers and closed you eyes while you took in a whole album?
This is music....it's for the ears....and it's a little hard to take emo seriously when the majority of these bands success depends on fashion and impressionable kids buying into it....f*ck goofy black hair, eyeliner, and nail polish...one day these kids will grow up and realize how goofy they looked..... | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/21/2007 8:30:38 PM | | I don't hate Emo. I hate all subcultures that young people tend to fall into for their quest to become unique and individual. Stop with all this Indie, Goth, Emo, Chav (well they can't help it, they're just scum :P) and be your own person for godsake. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/22/2007 9:01:33 AM | I personally don't believe in following an ultra-strict fashion code to be within a certain subgenre. In fact if you look TOO MUCH like xyz genre, chances are you'r a poser. For example in The punk community you have people that wear plaid pants and have mohawks, which is fine for them, but some of them pull out ALL THE STOPS and just look too try-hard, especially since some of them don't believe in or fight for punk causes.
Some people tend to have alot in common with other people and this is where the genres come from. No one WANT'S to be Emo, they are christened "Emo" by alot of other people. Alot of people go to thrift stores to get there stuff which is fine, so do I. I listen to what I want. I like Pop-Punk, Indie, and combinations of the two, and hence my screen name. People will be there own person, and people dress the way they wan't to because they like to. I never liked being called an "Emo" way back in the day and still don't. However if I change my fashion sense I'll just be projecting weakness, that I am at the whim's of other people. Some people are just sensitive, introspective, thoughtful, and quiet, and many share the same fashion sense. And it's not like they wear the same EXACT shirts as eachother, just that they have the same fit and/or theme. It's a way of recognising a member of your subculture at the same time as expressing individuality and has nothing to do with "conforming". Emo's get alot of negative press but wrist cutting has nothing at all to do with Emo and people who show off there wrist scars (are there seriously people out there who do that?) are not real Emos. | |
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| Why do so many people hate Emo?
Posted: 5/22/2007 9:07:45 AM |
Also to the guy and the statement: That emo=conformity...Not to start a flame war but the whole idea of having to have a mohawk to be punk is probably the one of the biggest stereotypical ways to conform to your punk subculture.
I hate how Emo's being corperatized as well, once upon a time Emo was an underground movement where all Emo CD's where on Indie labels. You had something that just belonged to you that MTV had no idea existed. Then all of a sudden... things changed... theres still a strong underground Emo movement going on but alot of Emo has been mainstreamed. And no you don't need a mohawk to be punk, I allway's had normal hair (except for when I died it green :-) but still maintained my punk spirit. Some people just want a mohawk, its a beacon to other punks that say " I believe in the punk cause, I know theres alot wrong with the world, let's do something about it" Emo does the same thing but with different issues. | |
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