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 sphinx-fire

Joined: 4/12/2007
Msg: 51
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Posted: 5/12/2007 2:32:27 PM

Wisdom is raising an eyebrow at every boastful, yet contemplative individual who took their numerical aptitude as a serious indicator of their smartness, on this forum posting ... And then Wisdom is looking around for some sweet Humility and investing core admiration in others here that had such purity in their cognition of nonsensical superficiality...

Give me an 'uneducated/and or illiterate' villager-sage, or a child with it's hands in soft earthy sand and clay, creating ... every time ... rather than some arrogant/pompous self-opinionated being, assuming conceited (privately) superiority in the scheme of the Universe, based on their meaningless marks...

My I.Q was forced measured as inordinately high but gets me absolutely no points with my young nephew when it comes to navigating through familiar local landmarks!

As usual as the Handsome, witty and urbane ~ 'Idoallmyownstunts' ~ exalts - for his sheer humbleness and pious self-effacing charm...
 TedJMill

Joined: 7/6/2005
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Posted: 5/12/2007 4:57:11 PM
800 Math, 760 Verbal.
 _Chainsaw_

Joined: 5/8/2007
Msg: 53
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Posted: 5/13/2007 7:01:30 AM
I got a 5,000 on my SATs... that's pretty good.
 Cort1295

Joined: 12/26/2006
Msg: 54
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Posted: 5/13/2007 7:59:15 AM
1380 in 2003. I'm not sure what the overall breakdown was anymore but I'm sure I did worse in the math department.

GPA's seem to be a better indicator when judging someone's success in America's education system, though. People can score well on the SAT or the ACT and still do horribly in school.
 Cort1295

Joined: 12/26/2006
Msg: 55
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Posted: 5/13/2007 8:18:44 AM
Sure, in the hard sciences homework isn't an issue, but what about subjects like history and english? Those are all about the papers, they might even be worth more then half of your grade.


I'm sure it depends on the school and professor, but in both cases I still received less homework in college. Papers are pretty hard to screw up in those classes, too, because the research necessary is minimal. Even if it isn't, most decent schools have a broad database of peer reviewed material that makes getting a good grade on a research paper quick and painless.
 StupidLoser

Joined: 10/25/2006
Msg: 56
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Posted: 5/13/2007 8:42:59 AM

And how does this make you an expert in the US education system?



I never claimed to be an expert on anything. Disillusioned, yes. Sour grapes? ..not really

The structure of the US education system has very little to do with acquiring knowledge. Rather, for most people it's a path to acquire money. People will lie and cheat to maintain a gpa and it's become increasingly accepted in all facets of society.

Most autodidacts eschew the education system for its lack of integrity.
 polargrape

Joined: 12/18/2006
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Posted: 5/13/2007 8:52:21 AM
Math: "Yogi the Bear" sticker
Verbal: Got a "Ranger Smith"

MY GPA... Nailed a "Boo Boo Bear" and I feel really good about that.
 Summer Teeth

Joined: 3/2/2007
Msg: 58
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:36:26 PM
Your height or bra size might be just as good of an indicator of success or intelligence. I never took the SAT, but I did take the ACT. My cumulative was a 24, somewhat average, with my math and science knowledge scored as somewhat high, while my verbal skills were quite a bit below average. I have a degree in English and my GPA was pretty gross, as in somewhat astronomical. I find it odd that any standardized test I take--including the GRE (Graduate Record Examination)--scores my reading comprehension as low. Here's the gist of one example of a reading comprehension question: The question had a few paragraphs about seismic events and asked whether the excerpt was pulled from a textbook, a scientific journal, a newspaper . . . blah, blah. I found it pretty accessible and somewhat elementary, but not too simple, so I answered "textbook." Nope. Wrong answer. The excerpt was from a scientific journal, which I always thought would be more detailed and a bit more complicated than a textbook. But I didn't find it difficult at all. There were a number of questions like this on the exam.

I understand having a standardized test for math and science. That makes sense. But how in the world do you standardize interpretation? It's kind of a silly question, isn't it?

Many standardized tests, however, have incorporated a writing sample. If I ever decide to attend graduate school, then the writing sample should be my saving grace after I bomb a number of the reading comprehension questions. At least the analogy questions are fun! Those are a cinch!

Edit: I suppose my point is that some reading comprehension questions are actually not about comprehension; instead, they are a matter of interpretation. Just chalk up this post as an English grad b*tching about standardized tests. Just about every English grad has! :)
 sometimes_miss

Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 59
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Posted: 5/13/2007 3:53:33 PM
I can only wonder if the OP thinks we're all idiots, or all above average, there seems to be some evidence for both possibilities. Now, high school was about thirty years ago. Hmmm. 590 verbal, 600 math, and that was decent for my school back then. My I.Q. was supposedly 163. GPA was D level. I was a typical underachiever, especially since my older sister graduated number 7 in her class, and I was 209 out of 247. Depression, an accompanying short attention span, and hatred of teachers who ran their class like their own little fiefdom kept me from ever having in interest in school. So I'm not really all that bright; I just know how to beat multiple choice question tests. Even if I never took the class, I tend to get a decent score. You can usually throw out a few answers by the wording, narrow it down to two; I can think pretty quick, I just plug in each answer and figure out which one is most likely to be right. And yeah, I like five second chess too.
 woobytoodsday

Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 5/13/2007 3:58:12 PM
Ah. Lucky me. The University of Utah in 1958 had its own test. So I haven't a klew. I did score in the 2nd percentile in math (that's another story. In fact: a novel) and in the 99th percentile in vocabulary.

My shoe size is 9. My bra size is a 36 D. One son is out of work and the other is a plasma physicist. I'm not multi-orgasmic, that I know of. And I haven't voted for Ralph Nader yet. This may be the year. And I can't figure out Linux, but sure would like to.


 Paprikash!

Joined: 1/18/2007
Msg: 61
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Posted: 5/14/2007 11:39:23 AM
Thanks for all your responses. I find all aspects of people interesting :)

650 Verbal...610 Math... make of it what you will, and have a great day!
 charliemcsd

Joined: 3/8/2007
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Posted: 5/14/2007 12:58:00 PM
SAT score in 1972 was 970.
College GPA was around 3.8.

Dated a woman in the late 90s whose husband scored something like 1580. She asked me what I got on my SATs and she practically had a coronary.
 xvr145

Joined: 2/27/2007
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Posted: 5/14/2007 2:37:17 PM
Impressive! According to most of the responses, POF is a veritable pool of geniuses. The Ivy Leagues should set up recruiting forums RIGHT HERE!

Yeah right. I'd be blown away if 25% of the answers were honest. Based on what everyone claims their scores are, they should have all gone to college on scholarship! When I was in high school, if you scored in the top 90th percentile on the PSAT you were considered a National Merit Scholar - well generally - there were several steps and they would confirm your standing with your SAT score the following year.

So how come none of the SAT geniuses on here know anything about the NMS or mentioned the scholarship that's awarded in relation to those high scores? It would have given you guys at least a little credibility!

For those who don't know - the average SAT score in the US tends to run around 1000. Of course the scoring system changed in the early 90s so if you made a 900 in the 80s it is equivalent to someone's 1000 scored in the 90s. I think the system changed again recently but I don't know the details.

What I don't understand is how practically everyone in this forum managed to score right about 1000 or much higher, but NEVER much lower?

Perplexing, yes!
 DrewskiC

Joined: 5/6/2007
Msg: 64
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Posted: 5/14/2007 2:44:22 PM
1400 - 720 Math/680 Verbal

I think the issue here is of people's varying opinions on the definition of "intelligence."

While I don't think the SAT is an accurate measure of intelligence - I would go as far to say that GPA and specific degrees obtained are even less of an indicator of intelligence.

I believe that intelligence is an innate ability - it shouldn't be influenced by such things as effort/motivation. Motivation/effort weigh greatly into one's GPA and ability to obtain higher levels of education.

I will concede that some people will feel that those who don't put the necessary effort into their academics are less "intelligent" than those who do - but again, I find that just to be a matter of difference of opinion.
 wvwaterfall

Joined: 1/17/2007
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Posted: 5/14/2007 3:06:34 PM
I'm one who usually takes tests well, but I've never considered that an indication of anything other than my ability to score high on a test. I scored high enough on my PSAT to earn a merit scholarship after posting comparable SAT scores, but always felt a little guilty that I was getting all that scholarship money just for a decent test score. My GPA was a fairly mundane 3.0, but that was influenced by a marriage and divorce while in college and the tendency for my classes to interfere with my education. But I managed to cram four years of education into five and am grateful for all I learned, including a few things in class.

I don't think there is a good indicator of intelligence. It's like art - depends on the eye of the beholder to some extent, but also is a 'know it when you see it' characteristic.

And I do take issue with an earlier post:


Ever wondered why students jump from the buildings when they know they have a low GPA (esp in engineering colleges)? This is why. It may not matter to you but it does greatly matter in the real world.


I'm 49. I've held more jobs than I can remember, from minimum wage to executive level. Not once has anyone asked me for my GPA as part of a job application process. Proof of a degree, yes, but that's as far as anyone has ever looked, and most just take my word for it that I have a degree and don't even care what my major was.

My first job out of college was teaching Jr. High math at a local public school. I beat out my fellow applicants becuase of a strong interview and because my college had a better overall reputation than the local state institution. They checked to make sure I had a teaching certificate and a degree.

Every subsequent job I've landed has been based on some combination of reputation, job and life experience, and my ability to express myself well in person and on paper. I suppose had I gone after some other jobs they might have looked at my GPA, but I'm quite happy with my varied career path to date.

Bottom line: everyone has some aspects that make them unique. Foster what you have, go for what you want, and let the chips fall where they may. Opportunity knocks most often for those most open to opportunity, especially if you identify your core values first and stay open to the chance to apply them rather than locking yourself into some specific career path. At least that's my view.

Dave

750 math, 650 verbal
 dianoor

Joined: 4/20/2007
Msg: 66
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Posted: 5/14/2007 3:22:24 PM
"I'm 49. I've held more jobs than I can remember, from minimum wage to executive level. Not once has anyone asked me for my GPA as part of a job application process. Proof of a degree, yes, but that's as far as anyone has ever looked, and most just take my word for it that I have a degree and don't even care what my major was. "



Exactly. Bottom line is that you're 49. Your post mainly reflects your experiences. Especially about how it was like when you were in college. Mine reflects my experiences about what I see and hear in colleges today and the daily frustration of kids who get rejected all the time . And I'd take a bet that everything was way less competitive back than it is now.


And you say GPA does not matter?


Tell that to the pre-med/pre-law student who works her butt off all her life to get into a good medical school/ law school but does not get in only because the one point on her GPA was slightly lesser than the other student. Tell that to the parents who keep on pressuring their kids to do well in school so that they get into an ivy league college.


Uhhuh....yea, give me the BS, but no chance I'm going to believe it. Whether you like it or not test scores and GPA greatly matter in shaping up someone's future ( esp of those poor college kids who continuously work hard because that's their only way out from poverty). And this is exactly why the suicide rate and mental breakdown rate is so high in colleges.
 wanderer1999

Joined: 2/10/2007
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Posted: 5/14/2007 3:51:33 PM

Impressive! According to most of the responses, POF is a veritable pool of geniuses. The Ivy Leagues should set up recruiting forums RIGHT HERE!

Yeah right. I'd be blown away if 25% of the answers were honest. Based on what everyone claims their scores are, they should have all gone to college on scholarship! When I was in high school, if you scored in the top 90th percentile on the PSAT you were considered a National Merit Scholar - well generally - there were several steps and they would confirm your standing with your SAT score the following year.

So how come none of the SAT geniuses on here know anything about the NMS or mentioned the scholarship that's awarded in relation to those high scores? It would have given you guys at least a little credibility!

For those who don't know - the average SAT score in the US tends to run around 1000. Of course the scoring system changed in the early 90s so if you made a 900 in the 80s it is equivalent to someone's 1000 scored in the 90s. I think the system changed again recently but I don't know the details.

What I don't understand is how practically everyone in this forum managed to score right about 1000 or much higher, but NEVER much lower?

Perplexing, yes!


Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm Canadian, and most Canadians would only take the SAT's if they were intending to attend a US school, and would never write PSAT's (that is a purely American thing). There is no NMS for Canadians, nor are they required to write PSAT's, SAT's or ACT's for university admission. Given the exorbitant cost of schooling in the US for non-residents (read, foreigners), then it would make sense that most people wouldn't even consider attending a US school unless they were talking a tier 1 or maybe a tier 2 school. This in itself would heavily skew the SAT scores (as most schools at Tier 1 wouldn't even look at people with sub 1200 SAT's).

That being said, despite my scores I was turned down by most of my top picks... Harvard, University of Pennsylvania, Columbia, Yale, Princeton, Cornell and Stanford all felt that they were too good for me.

On the flip side I got to turn down USC, and UCLA.

On a side note, foreign students almost never get scholarships unless they are absolutely mind-bogglingly smart, and even then not at the best schools most of the time. I had a schoolmate who was one of the top mathematics Olympians in Canada and went on to compete at the International Mathematics Olympiad. He got full scholarships to just about every Canadian school he applied to, but most of the US schools would only offer him loans or work programs -- MIT wanted him, but wouldn't pay for him. Same with Caltech. He ended up attending a Canadian University for his undergrad and master's, before heading stateside for his PHD and post-doctoral.

Oddly enough, he's now a Professor of Mathematics at one of the Ivy League schools which wouldn't offer him a scholarship oh so long ago. Some Irony there or something.

Finally, I suspect that some people just aren't in a hurry to announce their SAT/ACT scores if they're not above average. Just assume that the scores more along the normal curve are more common, and what you're seeing is a skewed distribution since it's volunteered information. It's probably like asking how many people you've slept with... not a question that will elicit entirely honest answers.

Either way, it's all pretty irrelevant now. The measure of a man is not how he does on a standardized test. It is what he does with his gifts.
 xvr145

Joined: 2/27/2007
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Posted: 5/14/2007 3:52:21 PM
I said GPA was a better indicator compared to the SATs and I stand by my point. I did not say it was the only indicator of intelligence. Many smart people like Einstein hardly did anything in school. But these people are very rare. Every drop out is not an Einstein. They are merely lazy people who most of the time end up working in MCDs.


This assumption is more wrong than you can imagine. Einstein is recognized as one of a kind because of his prescient theories on relativity. His concepts of electromagnetics and the unification theory are also of particular interest and he is highly regarded for good cause. With that said, I have had the pleasure of knowing more than a few people with amazing minds who eat Einstein for breakfast as well as having their own proprietary scientific theories. And I'm not talking junk ideas - real deal thinking in physics, computer science, engineering and cybernetics.

Despite your "biochemistry" studies, my guess is you just don't run in the circles where these brilliant minds are - or you wouldn't be assuming college dropouts typically are lazy and work at McDonalds. What a pathetic viewpoint - to assume the world only rarely breeds "beautiful minds." I have met more than a few! The two most brilliant men I ever met both dropped out of college. Not out of laziness but because their minds did not fit within the confines of rote learning. My guess is that they both should have been in highly specialized programs at the most challenging engineering or computer science universities but due to not growing up in "Ivy League" environments and having parents and school counselors who had no clue, they were relegated to lesser schools where mediocity reigned. Medocrity and standardized learning is the kryptonite that dulls an amazing mind.

The kind of people who have high GPA's thrive in the systematic, formulaic environments - and then these same people conveniently criticize others who have different types of brains and can't maintain the societal standard of "ordinary thinking." People like you are exclusionary, cliquish and relish keeping others down unless they have a piece of paper that proves they're just as ordinary as you.

What's even more pathetic is that these rote minded lemmings somehow find their way into human resources where they can squash creative thinking on a daily basis. The irony is that these unique minds they're squashing are the ones that have the potential to create ideas that can make the companies a lot of money. And they typically have emotional intelligence to match their brilliance and can function at many levels within an organization. But then again human resources "professionals" make pigeon-holing an artform - and having to think creatively about placing a potential employee is well outside their realm of comfort.

Fortunately, uniquely brilliant people somehow find each other - just as the mundane, ordinary "4.0 GPA" lemmings find their way to each other, too. To each their own. In the end the brilliant minds are recognized and the lemmings and their lack of contribution to society fade away.
 Macky42

Joined: 2/10/2007
Msg: 69
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Posted: 5/14/2007 5:11:56 PM
OK - After reading several forums, I am starting to wonder about a lot the people who post responses on this site.

You're wondering or are you trying to be sarcastic? I'm thinking the later. I'm starting to wonder the intelligence about those who actually responded to this absurd question.
Clue: OP meant to criticize the intelligence of POF members.
 engineeringemo

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Posted: 5/14/2007 5:52:56 PM
I'm Canadian, so there's no standardized test, but if you're looking to gauge intelligence, good luck. No test accurately measures intellect, because intellect isn't a single metric. An INTJ like me, for example, could simply use his analytical skills to game the system, appearing to be more intelligent than an extroverted feeling personality type who manages to do as well or better in life because of more powerful emotional and social intelligence.

You can't get it down to a simple "Smart or not smart" number, simply because the current leading theory of intelligence says there's more than one.
 Philosophers Stone

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Posted: 5/14/2007 6:02:23 PM
xvr145
It is a volunteer survey, it is not an accurate representation of what everyone on POF would even admit to their SATs scores being, it is just a representation of what some people on here are willing to divulge given that they knew what this thread was about before even clicking on it, much less answering.

Furthermore I do not feel the need to prove anything or provide pointless information in a misguided attempt to sound more "credible". Why do you assume that just because NMS is not mentioned, that nobody knew about it?

I am not sure what you were trying to prove but most of the people with high scores seem to be indicating that they believe them to ultimately be meaningless. Your attack and cynicism are completely unwarranted.

dianoor
By the sounds of it, you are still in college. College is not the real world. While you are in college everyone seems to think that GPA and achievement are important. There are people who intentionally go out of their way to work hard on extracurricular activities to make them more impressive to employers and they are serious about it.

When you get to the real world these things don't matter. The degree does, but that is about it. Now if you want to get into grad school, then your GPA matters, but you are still in Collegeland where artificial achievements reign supreme.

Once again back in the real world, if you have a bachelor's in computer science and no experience, good luck finding a job. You might get lucky but I know several CS majors who focused on GPA and passed up valuable internships that are now... unemployed or working retail.

I cannot stress enough... Take every opportunity you can to get real work experience. Just something you can put on your resume that they will actually care about. If it means your grades slide, no big deal, as long as you pass, but GET EXPERIENCE WHENEVER POSSIBLE!

That is all.
 xvr145

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Posted: 5/14/2007 6:35:19 PM

I am not sure what you were trying to prove but most of the people with high scores seem to be indicating that they believe them to ultimately be meaningless. Your attack and cynicism are completely unwarranted.


Nothing to prove. I just like to see these forums stay honest and it doesn't do the community a favor when peope ask questions like "what is your SAT score"or "how many people have you had sex with" or "what's your IQ" or anything where someone is judged by a number and they have the power to say whatever they want. You're just inviting people to embellish the truth because it's a public forum! Not to mention peope who lie about their score disrespect the people who actually DID score very high.

I just don't believe that everyone in this forum scored way over 1000 on their SAT and I can't imagine the OP thought for a second everyone would be honest. When I was in school there were VERY FEW who scored over 1200 (probably the average base number for a NMS) so it's not making any sense that there are dozens on POF coming out of the woodwork. Not to say that every person in this forum fudged their number. I'm sure a few could be accurate. Although I doubt most people with an exceptional IQ and/or SAT score would dignify the question with an answer. Just like you rarely see people with real money bragging about it, you rarely see geniuses spouting off their IQ to get approval.

But I do think if someone was going to brazenly state their "high" SAT score, they would naturally support it with their NMS status - it's really more of a unit. People who actually score that high are very familiar with the process. If someone was going to be so bold to openly state their SAT score, why would they then hesitate to add the NMS to it? To "proudly" tell everyone you scored 1300 or whatever and then stop short of spilling all the beans - that you were a National Merit Finalist as a result of your score - just doesn't add up.

It's annoying to see so many people throwing out high numbers, knowing SAT scores much over 1000 are not very common. On the old test most people scored somewhere between 850/950 and 1000/1100. When they say the average score is 1000, they don't mean there are tons of 1300s and tons of 700s. It means there are mostly scores around 1000 and a few 1300+ and a few 700-.

The range of scores on the SAT is not very wide because only college-bound students take the test. That's why so many people stating high numbers doesn't make sense.
 dianoor

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Posted: 5/14/2007 7:30:03 PM
"This assumption is more wrong than you can imagine. Einstein is recognized as one of a kind because of his prescient theories on relativity. His concepts of electromagnetics and the unification theory are also of particular interest and he is highly regarded for good cause. With that said, I have had the pleasure of knowing more than a few people with amazing minds who eat Einstein for breakfast as well as having their own proprietary scientific theories. And I'm not talking junk ideas - real deal thinking in physics, computer science, engineering and cybernetics. "


Let's start here, shall we? Since it's "evident" you seem to "know" a lot about Einstein, therefore you should also know about his theory of relativity ( ironically you even mentioned it, but failed to apply it? Weird....). The main conclusion of theory of relativity is one man's frame of reference is not always another man's frame of reference. Therefore, all these geniuses that you mention who can apparently eat Einstein for breakfast ( which is laughable) may not be geniuses to me or some other common man. How do I know you're not bragging about your social circle that apparently involves born again Einsteins who seem to eat Einsteins for breakfast? How do I know that you're not just saying this to prove your point, put down others and sit on your high horse ( which really does not seem all that high)?

You accused more than half the people on here of lying and bragging. Yet, you have no proof. But that's absolutely fine because one should not always believe what one sees or hears without solid evidence. However, are you the Original poster of this thread? Did the OP ask about scholarships that these forum posters have received/not received due to their high/low SAT scores? No. All she asked what the SAT scores of the people who post on these forums was. That's why the people on here only answered the question which was asked. They did not go off topic ( which is against the rules if I may remind you ) and post ( might I say brag) about the scholarships they might have received.


You automatically then go off on a tangent ( which is again funny) and then start attacking anyone that seems to be lying in your point of view. This surely stems from insecurity. Let me tell you something, I did have a high SAT score , I'm certainly not very proud of this as I did not really work very hard to achieve it. Yet, I posted earlier that people with high SAT scores are not really very intelligent people. Did I go off on a tangent and post my GPA? No, I did not. Since I am a GPA supporter and not a standardized test supporter, would not it be more logical if I had typed what my GPA was/is and hence in your opinion bragged about it ? Yet, there are many on here who mentioned their GPA . I brought it up but I never mentioned mine. Believe me, if I truly want to brag I have enough things to brag about. And it certainly would not include me having a social circle that involves "scientists" who can eat Einstein for breakfast yet have no name/fame/acclaimed credit to their names ( if they have any that is).



"Despite your "biochemistry" studies, my guess is you just don't run in the circles where these brilliant minds are - or you wouldn't be assuming college dropouts typically are lazy and work at McDonalds. What a pathetic viewpoint - to assume the world only rarely breeds "beautiful minds." "


And you are someone who moniters these so called brilliant minds? BTW I was referring to HS dropouts, but then it's okay if you think I meant college dropouts. I still stand by my point. Of course the world only rarely breeds beautiful minds, if it bred beautiful minds all the time, I would not be arguing with an idiot who seems to bring up Einstein's theory of relativity and yet does not know how to apply it.

Brilliant people are rare. If they were all over the place, common sense would be very common. But your post clearly screams common sense is very uncommon. Hence, beautiful minds being rare theory exists.


Certainly, it's evident you have an agenda behind all your posts on here Miss Xvr and I would no longer like to waste my time and energy arguing with a lost cause. If you did not have an agenda you would not have suddenly appeared out of nowhere and lash out at people. Instead, you would have answered the question at hand first before going crazy for no valid reason whatsoever.
 wvwaterfall

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Posted: 5/14/2007 7:31:13 PM

Tell that to the pre-med/pre-law student who works her butt off all her life to get into a good medical school/ law school but does not get in only because the one point on her GPA was slightly lesser than the other student. Tell that to the parents who keep on pressuring their kids to do well in school so that they get into an ivy league college.


I don't think you caught the gist of the rest of my post. If you decide that the only way you can define success in your life is to go to a specific high profile med school or law school that everyone else wants to go to then sure, you've decided to be part of the rat race and have to expect that much of the time you'll be treated like a rat.

Yes, I'm sure there are differences between my college days and yours. Some things are tougher, some things are easier. Just a few years before I went to college protests and violence erupted on campuses all over the country over the viet nam war. Buildings were bombed. Riots were common. There was such a huge difference in values between many college students and their parents that deep family rifts were common, sometimes leading to permanent splits. It seemed like prominent leaders were getting assassinated on a regular basis. Many students were wrestling with the prospect of being drafted into a war that had daily casualty counts far greater than we hear about in the all-volunteer military in Iraq today. The very real threat of nuclear war loomed over our head constantly. Today there's the threat of some crazy guy shooting up a building full of students. Then there was the threat of the national guard coming and shooting up your campus and blanketing it with tear gas.

I'm not denying the pressure you're under. Just don't think life was a cakewalk a few decades ago.

And remember that many fine lawyers, doctors, and other leaders and professionals did NOT go to the 'best' schools. The list of Presidents, Supreme Court Justices, CEO's and medical pioneers with humble beginnings is long. You have many choices as you start carving out the rest of your life. I hope you don't limit yourself to those that others try to impose on you.

It's always good to compile the best credentials you can muster, develop work habits that will serve you well in the years to come. But at the end of the day a number is still just a number, whether a GPA, SAT, admission rank or salary. The things that really matter can't be expressed in numbers.

Dave
 dianoor

Joined: 4/20/2007
Msg: 75
What were your S.A.T. scores?
Posted: 5/14/2007 7:33:35 PM
"dianoor
By the sounds of it, you are still in college. College is not the real world. While you are in college everyone seems to think that GPA and achievement are important. There are people who intentionally go out of their way to work hard on extracurricular activities to make them more impressive to employers and they are serious about it.

When you get to the real world these things don't matter. The degree does, but that is about it. Now if you want to get into grad school, then your GPA matters, but you are still in Collegeland where artificial achievements reign supreme.

Once again back in the real world, if you have a bachelor's in computer science and no experience, good luck finding a job. You might get lucky but I know several CS majors who focused on GPA and passed up valuable internships that are now... unemployed or working retail.

I cannot stress enough... Take every opportunity you can to get real work experience. Just something you can put on your resume that they will actually care about. If it means your grades slide, no big deal, as long as you pass, but GET EXPERIENCE WHENEVER POSSIBLE! "



Thanks for the valuable advice and yes you are right about me. For me at the moment GPA matters great deal to me since I'm not fighting my battles in the real world yet. I never denied that. Therefore, obviously I would give it more importance than people who are older ( as in have passed out from college long time ago). Honestly, I sincerely don't see the point behind this argument. I'm a student , it matters to me. To others, it does not. Theory of relativity is applicable here. End of discussion.
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