| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 5/31/2007 3:45:20 AM | NEWSFLASH:
I’ve just read a profile that has totally obliterated the premise of this thread. Without going into details, this person’s favorites list is in the hundreds, and he is utterly incapable of forming a proper sentence. I guess there are exceptions to every rule, that is if you’re a rock star with a six-pack… | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 5/31/2007 6:36:25 AM | I think being able to explain everything in short sentences is a sign of high IQ and confidence....writng too long shows your kind of weak and not confident about what your last sentence was... so they keep rewriting until everything seems to make sense and after they call in someone to verify the whole thing.... | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 5/31/2007 9:32:24 AM | If IQ can influence one's self-confidence, and if one's self-confidence can influence one's ability to articulate clearly, then yes, I agree that there is a positive correlation between IQ and profile length.
However, I have found a distinction between profiles that are too long and don't say much, and profiles that are too short and leave me unsatisfied. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 5/31/2007 8:03:27 PM | Some fun/funny threads showing up on here lately. :P
OP I think your original poser is a perfect example of an intelligent person asking a dumbo question. hahaha. I think my original headline on here was Stupid Genius so I'm especially fond of this concept. I was just reading in another thread about brain atrophy. We daydreamers gotta stick together!!! So I'm gonna play devils advocate and support the idea that longer means smarter regardless. lol. You see, longer implies that incentive to be inventive. Ingenuitee. :) So what if they are scrambled eggs and ham to read. That just means we don't quite speak the same language/bullsh*t.
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/2/2007 4:05:04 PM | I used to have a profile so long it took all day to read it. And it took even longer to understand it. And anyone who did understand it should probably be institutionalized.
Now I've shortened it. I think the current one is a better reflection of my IQ. I think it would be an even more accurate representation if I replaced the crap that's in there right now with just the words "foie gras". Then I'd get the double benefit of accurately representing my IQ as resembling that of a dead duck liver, and it would be quite concise. Concise is always good. And you really do deserve to be made aware that my IQ is somewhere near that of a fowl-organ. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/2/2007 7:53:04 PM | A long profile simply means that the person is comfortable with the written medium. This should weakly correlate with intelligence but it is very weak. Confident idiots and insecure geniuses are neither one that rare.
I disagree, however, with the notion that intelligent people will write briefly because that's all they need to get their point across. Intelligent people are complex people. They have a lot to say. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/3/2007 2:15:16 AM | I am a nerd, a researcher in psychology (I/O) and an eloquent writer.
So I thought.....lolol
Someone sent me an email stating "at least you are cute even after reading the whole tiresome diatribe"
I thanked him for his succinct insult.
RE: psychologists don't use hypotheses, but we state opinions???????
Do you mean that I've spent all these years doing statistical analyses on opinions? How come I thought it was data gathered in carefully controlled environments that are subject to stringent ethical standards.
Heck, if I'd known I could just collect opinions and publish those instead it would have saved me years of work.
best,
Eternelle Diatribopinionoses | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/3/2007 7:45:41 PM | Hi, I'm the OP. Thanks again for your posts.
Some LONG profiles may be written by unintelligent people and some SHORT profiles may be written by people that have a very high IQ.
If a "Positive Correlation" is found between two variables it does not mean that if X happens, then Y will follow 100% of the time. If a small or WEAK correlation is detected and found to be statistically significant, then it is a correlation nonetheless.
regarding eternelle's post
BTW: Psychology CAN be studied scientifically, depending on the experimental methods employed | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/3/2007 10:06:28 PM | regarding eternelle's post
BTW: Psychology CAN be studied scientifically, depending on the experimental methods employed
The use of the word "can" in caps suggests to me that scientific research of psyc is exception, not rule....not so Batman.
HUH???
can you extrapolate...? Specifically - when is the study of psych non-scientific? - For lowly little aficionado of psyc research that I am, I have succumbed to confusion....... Just to clarify... My definition of "scientific' in this instance is not differentiating between "hard" and "soft" sciences - but the method of study utilized.
So - psyc IS studied by scientific method - such that information is accrued using standardized empirical methods, i.e., theory, hypothesis generation, study design, experiment conduction, statistical analyses, publish results...... (this statement is issued based on the existence of hundreds of thousands of published research studies in peer reviewed journals, as opposed to "my opinion")
Of course - folks can talk ad infinitum about their opinions about psyc and suggest that such talk is what constitutes the "study of psyc" (e.g., that psyc is just opinion) however, this suggests that the opinion holder is uninformed and has based opinion on current lay perception of psyc as opposed to statistically significant analyses of current empirical evidence) | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/3/2007 11:39:57 PM | | No, some of us suffer dylexia, or some form of processing disorder. IQ does not matter becuase its having soical skills, and emotional understanding of people help you get through this world. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/4/2007 12:21:10 AM | Eternelle:
Please see Msg: 36 on Page 2 of this thread
Although I try to stay on topic in the forums, when I feel that I’ve been misunderstood, I will try to explain myself.
You asked:
when is the study of psych non-scientific?
I respond with: When qualitative research methods are used, or in case studies, or when investigators rely on non-standardized research methods | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/4/2007 2:45:42 AM | Ooops - after this I shall refrain from off-topic posts...
apologies to OP...I interpreted your "psyc CAN be studied" sentence out of context.....
Two issues :
A) Psyc: Scientific subject or not? - This is not the issue I chose to debate. Gribblier (sp?) stated "psyc not a science (and never will be)" - This debate is subjective and opinion based.
B) Psyc: Uses scientific methodology or not? - This is the issue I chose to debate. Grib stated "psyc does not propose hypotheses and is just opinion stating"..... This statement is inaccurate. See previous posts for my explanation...or email me :)
putting away soapbox..
best,
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/21/2007 5:24:44 PM | No, I don't think that people who write longer profiles are necessarily more intelligent--or, for that matter, better writers. At the same time I don't think that people with brief, succinct profiles are more intelligent or better writers, either. I know some hyperarticulate people who are scary smart, thoughtful and insightful.
Honestly I don't even assume the profile (or posts) I'm reading reflects what the writer meant to express. I have to ask myself if this person is aware of the "sensitivities" of the audience he or she is addressing? Does he or she have any skill with word choices or syntax? Does he or she understand the powerful effect of language? Writing is an art form. Because most of us can spell we seem to think we can write. How I wish that were true! Unfortunately that's not the case. Just as being able to render a straight line with a pencil and ruler does not make one an architect or being able to tap out a rhythm with one's foot does not make one a dancer. So to immediately assume that the author of a particular profile or post actually said what he or she meant and did so with any skill is preposterous. Very few people are capable of that. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/22/2007 11:40:42 AM |
I know some hyperarticulate people who are scary smart, thoughtful and insightful.
At the same time, there are people who appear to be intelligent, and even write concise, articulate posts, but couldn't formulate a rational thought even if their dog was helping. People like me. People like my dog. Dogs are people too. Actually, I only say that so I can cheat off him when taking IQ tests. They let me bring him in but only if I wear dark glasses. The only problem with that is that when I do that they expect me to take a test on some funny paper with no actual writing on it, but with bumps all over it.
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One of these days, I swear I'm gonna find a way to beat the system. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/22/2007 12:42:45 PM | Great thread.
Of course there's a correlation. If you have a long profile, you may be intelligent, but it takes a greater understanding to keep it succinct.
Less is more, the iceberg idea. Don't give yourself away in so many paragraphs just to hear yourself talk. Are you really so self-aware? Intellectual masturbation is a crime, and with so many decadent social netorking sites, the horniness of egos is at an all time high. | |
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/24/2007 2:39:44 AM | Ohhhhh - That phrase is soooo enticing. Utterly seductive sentences, ardently articulated ideas. Deviant diatribes and teasing prose. I could continue with intense intellectual masturbation for the entire post.
If I create some more lengthy profiles, I could have an orgy of intellectual masturbation.
best,
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/24/2007 3:10:04 AM | Dear Adam
You maybe moron for bashing psychology. Sure it can change as other sciences can change with a paradigm shift etc. IQ is a psychological measure. Stanford Binet etc. The fact that we have these terms derives from psychology and other disciplines! Psychometrics with amplitude and aptitude tests which can vary on how good one knows the tests... The only fairly certain science is probably mathematics.
Modern psychology employs stats and rigorous science or at least it should.
Forensics started by Munsterburg etc was a branch of psychology...
Psychology hasn't been pure philosophy since Wundt and Fechner again (I've said this before here) since the late 1800's...
It's not just philosophy any more! That card is getting old.
And on the length of the profile thing I agree with some of the previous posters. Some can be concise and thorough while some may ramble. One needs some data to convey more detail to a point. Verbal task mastery or late night profile creation? Math and spacial skills are all fine and good as well...
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/24/2007 3:24:35 AM | Ozzy Osborne rocks. I think he had a b-day in early march. As did Einstein.
Never Gonna Stop? I don't care to get the exact name of the song. Good tune... He probably has a lot of people helping him out now?!?
Rhetoric or banter? Cheques (Checks for the odd American) left unsigned...
To be or not to be??? De Do Do Do (The police.)
Absolum Absolum...
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/24/2007 9:45:21 AM | IQ is a pretty rough measure of intelligence. Not to mention, taking a look at many IQ tests, they test you based on different fields. I took one and I got 120. I was a visual linguist. I was great at perception as well as language process, etc.. When it came to math? I was practically a retard.
So lets say someone scored 150. And were Mathematical geniuses but they failed so miserably in linguistics, speech and overall language that when they opened their mouth to talk, children ran away crying, adults went into shock, and people just generally became frightened.
So they come onto POF here, write a 70 word intro and are deemed "low IQ".
No...no, in reality that person is smarter than 96% of the population of the world.
But you'd never guess it because of the way they wield language...
There are MANY facets to intelligence. A single 2-3 digit number has no hope to define such a complex and beautiful thing as the mind's capabilities so strongly. Defining someone's "intelligence" through a number is like me asking you to explain Love, in all it's glory, everything it is, has been, will become, what it feels like; in 3 simple words. You just can't convey it.
As for profile length, I never use that as a judge of intelligence. At best, that shows me if they care about the site, how serious they are to get what they want, etc. Basically their personality. I could talk to them and find out they live under a rock and still think the world is flat. But they had a HELL of a profile.
The only way, I find, to truly measure a person intelligence is, as always, to talk to them. Plain and simple. Don't judge a book by it's cover, etc... I mean look at the spiel I just wrote on this topic. It's huge. Does that mean I am smart? Hell no.
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| Positive correlation between IQ and profile length?
Posted: 6/26/2007 3:17:41 AM | Aric
I never said IQ tests were written in stone and are the final say in truly measuring one’s intelligence.
A good test looks at verbal or mathematical/spacial skills etc and combines all of these into a final total. Most tests are fairly broad. However on saying this, people can learn how to do well on these tests. And some of the tests are quite often ethno-centric etc so they may not be a true predictor of intelligence. Most of these tests are just general indicators.
Heck many people thought Einstein was poor in math etc and little did they know.
I think a lot of people ramble on in their profiles. It’s the quality of what’s being said and the breadth that may shed light on a person’s full personality. And it’s up to the person to write all this info.
A comedian I recently watched talked about a Cosmopolitan poll on what women want in a male partner a while back. And this is what really should appear on the profiles, not necessarily brute intelligence. I think a really smart man or woman is a good thing, it can also be off-putting to many as well… And according to the poll, women look for humor, money and looks to be the top three attributes that they are looking for in a male. So being a poor smarty that maybe visually unappealing may not be the hip thing for most. The expression “no one likes a smart guy” quite often applies.
So I think most look at the whole picture when finding a mate. Intelligence is just one factor. I think we all specialize in one or more areas…
Cheers,
Danno
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