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Posted: 9/22/2008 2:27:40 PM | That is a very poorly worded question. It's a pet peeve of mine, I think conservatives use to criminalize the pro-lifers. There is a big difference between being "pro-choice" & "pro abortion."
I am not "pro-abortion," I don't think anyone would really say they are "pro-abortion." It's unfortunate, that for whatever reason, rape, incest, irresponsibility of American youth today, etc that this has to happen. On the flip side, you know we have many children in oprhanages & adoption centers around the country, who is going to provide them with a family, education, health care & all around safe environment to grow & develop in, when so many babies are being brought into this world? That being said, I am still not "pro-abortion" put in that situation, I'm honestly not entirely sure what I'd decide to do, but I think it's the woman's choice...therefore I am "pro-choice." | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 6:29:25 PM | The issue has become too politicized and there's not enough focus on adoption as the best choice of all, under most circumstances. Not enough is being done to help kids who need a loving place to call home. There's not enough media attention to adoption as a better choice.
Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. With that said, one must consider what a rape victim is going through. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 7:46:12 PM | ^^^ I'm curious, for those of you that are personally against abortion, why are you personally against it? If you don't believe life begins at conception what's the big deal? I really don't understand you stance. Obama says he has no idea when life begins, it's above his paygrade, is that how you feel as well and if that is the case, why are you against it? I mean no disrespect, and please don't take offense, I just find personally that this is kind of like trying to have your cake and eat it too.
For me, I believe that life does begin at conception so I believe the right of the unborn child should have the same right as anyone else to life.
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Posted: 9/23/2008 3:49:27 AM | Doesn't Obama feel like the odd man out? The other three candidates on the major party tickets, including his own running mate, believe life begins at conception:
As a Matter of Faith, Biden Says Life Begins at Conception.
By KATE PHILLIPS
Published: September 7, 2008
WASHINGTON — Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic nominee for vice president, departed Sunday from party doctrine on abortion rights, declaring that as a Catholic, he believes life begins at conception. But the Delaware senator added that he would not impose his personal views on others, and had indeed voted against curtailing abortion rights and against criminalizing abortion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08campaign.html
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Posted: 9/23/2008 5:00:47 PM | | Why are there sooooo many posters on this particular thread that have no info, no profile and no history? I don't get it. Show your faces people...if you want to post comments and you want us to read them I want to know who you are and where you are from. I'm just kind of weird that way. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 5:10:58 PM | ^^^ um, just guessing, but if you notice this is a very old thread that has been resurrected. People move on and cancel their profiles...but their comments stay on.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.... | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 8:51:07 AM |
"Heh any law that refers to "partial birth abortion" is a non starter. Thats a non medical term, it's an actual invention of anti choicers so they can portray it as something it is not."
Absolutely...the politically-correct term is "late-term" abortion. Just FYI. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 10:32:17 AM | | 'Pro abortion' is just a response in the rhetoric wars from the 'anti choicers'. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 7:03:03 AM | hey barbe...
They are against abortion because they need to impose their religious beliefs through laws that govern what a person can and cannot do with their own body. I too believe life begins at conception but I'm not about to support the undermining of the first amendment and try to dictate to others what they can and cannot do inside of their own bodies... at least until the period when life can sustain itself. Until that time... abortion for whatever reason chosen by the individual is the individual's right... and government has no business climbing inside of a woman's womb.
"The new republican party has been hijacked by the radical, evangelical Christian right" Barry Goldwater, republican and founder of the conservative movement | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 7:29:08 AM | Lax, thanks for answering, I appreciate the fact that you did as you were the only one who did. So to clarify if you don't mind. Although you feel that abortion is indeed murder, you think that as long as it's happening to someone else by someone else it's the lesser of two evils, or although you personally feel it's wrong, as long as you are not doing it it's not your problem? I'm honestly not asking from a religious standpoint, to me this is less a religious issue and more a human one. If you are saying that you do believe life begins at conception, wouldn't killing an unborn violate it's first ammendemnt right also?
I know this is a difficult subject, and I am not trying to shove my beliefs down your throat, I just find it puzzling that one can be sitting on both sides of the fence at the same time. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 12:36:26 PM | I believe the original question wasn't whether abortion is considered murder by some, but rather does a particular candidate's position on abortion have any influence on how you vote.
I would not vote for someone who wanted to take the right to choose away from women. There is too much religion in politics and it doesn't have any place there. Not everyone subscribes to a religion of any sort - why should everyone have to subscribe to the tenets of a church based law rather than a rational one? If you personally choose abortion is not a viable choice for you I fully support your right to exercise that choice. I do not support that limit for everyone. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2008 5:23:12 PM | barbe...
it's really not difficult at all.
dictionary.com unabridged definition...
murder: the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.
Since the law does not consider the taking of life that cannot sustain itself "murder", then i am not sitting on both sides of the fence at all.
The same application of this law enables you to terminate life support on a loved one and that is not considered murder. Should we order indefinite life support for all terminally ill or injured? You can't have it both ways.
This is why the law has a cut off on late term abortions... because the fetus may be able to sustain life on its own.
All the rest of this thread is attempting to change the definition of murder to a religious one in certain cases but not in others. That's what I call sitting on both sides of the fence. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2008 5:43:16 PM | | Barbe.... I can understand the frustration at what you see as sitting on the fence. The way I see it is that MY views though they are part of my religious beliefs are MINE and MINE alone. I in accordance with the laws of this land and even the bible must abide by not only MY beliefs but those of others as well. I cannot therefore tell someone what they should or should not do governing their own body as per their beliefs as this would be forcing both my beliefs and religion on someone else. In other words what I would consider to be right for me both politically and spiritually would not be right for another politically and spiritually and I have no right to force MY belief system upon someone else. | |
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Posted: 10/6/2008 9:36:25 PM | | Also, voting for a bad politician just because he's "against abortion" is unwise, and isn't necessarily "pro life." There are other life issues to consider, such as unnecessary wars such as the one in Iraq, the death penalty, providing healthcare for poor children, promoting adoptions, caring for our environment--which sustains us ALL--, and ensuring that working families can have a decent living wage to name a few. McCain's stances on the war, torture, the death penalty, healthcare for children who are already born, and the environment are very much anti-life in my book. People should look at the big picture instead of voting on only one issue. Life isn't that simple. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2008 1:45:53 PM |
While we live by the motto "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", these are not your rights. Your rights are written into the Bill of Rights and the first amendment begins with "The government shall make no law which respects an establishment of religion"
You should go back and re-read the Declaration of Independence, which says:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The key word is "among." Jefferson's point is self-explanatory.
The Bill of Rights begins:
"The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added." Madison's intent was to specifically prevent the government from abusing those specific individual rights, not to say these are one's only rights.
and once you lose your rights, it will become nearly impossible to get them back for generations to come.
So, by this I should expect you'll be joining me in urging our congressional representatives to support a repeal of all laws that infringe upon my right to keep and bear arms (2nd amendment)? You can get back to me on that one.
BTW, I'm a rare bird: anti-abortion AND anti-death penalty. Go figure... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 6:13:23 AM | Not sure why people are so emotional and anti rational about abortion.
We can argue until the end of time as to when life starts( at conception or at birth, or sometimes in between ). Well, legally, look at your driver's license and see the date. THAT is your legal birth date.
As far as abortion, it is a private matter to be decided between you and your Doctor. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If I want one I will get one, leave me the hell alone. It is NOT your decision nor the government decision.
keep your religion and your beliefs to yourself and don't bother telling me how to live my life. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 6:41:33 AM | | ^^^^ em...if you decide to get an abortion, and have one, then trust me, you have a bigger problem than whose decision it is...just an observation.................... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 2:06:15 PM | This is a question that has always bothered me.
Why is it that abortion isn't considered murder, but if a women carrying a child is murdered, the murderer is often charged with double murder? Wouldn't it just be murder and abortion? Seems like the old double standard is at play here. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 7:23:57 PM | If we could find a way to reverse the stigma of having a child.... If you could make it less of a horrible thing that a woman feels unable to take care of a child and more emotionally acceptable to turn it over to someone else.
It takes two people to have a child, but birth only requires one person to be present and society has a very judgemental view of women who feel unable to raise their children. Men can take the option, "Well, I'm not sure it's mine.." something that thankfully can be very easily proven these days- women can't unless they choose to hide the pregnancy and delivery. Pregnancy is stressful enough, woman give their strength, health, and energy to support a fetus. That is stressful enough without having to deal with the lack of emotional support and stress of people knowing you are pregnant. During that pregnancy your body is completely changed. Some have very peaceful, healthy pregnancies, others go through a living hell that makes changes their their health does not recover from.
Oddly, the younger you are in your pregnancy, the healthier it usually is. Something that society today frowns on. Rather than have a child at a young age, wait until you are stable and can afford the infertitlity experts and physical problems for both the woman and the child in their thirties. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 9:23:30 PM | | To kill a person because it may cramp your style is selfish and crule. To not support a person who is your blood, to burn him out of his home cut him up starve him to death because you do not like the crime its father did to you or he is too sickly is an act so sad it is beyond my reasoning. Yet I know that a woman will do what she wants with her body and if it is kill the person inside of it I can not stop her. According to my faith she is as guilty if she even thinks to kill her baby. I think that educating people on the stakes may slow the rate down. I believe women do not really want to kill children. Everytime I have given a woman a way to spare the baby's life she has taken it. I do not think that it is her fault if she miscarries or gets so sick that it is her or the baby's life. I hope that bills will always protect the woman's right to live even if the baby has to die. I hope states can ban abortions and support the children that will be born. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2009 4:05:14 PM | Eman 101 is someone I would call a genuine pro-lifer. Someone who is against BOTH abortion and the death penalty is TRULY pro life in my book
Not enough is said about the value of adoption as an alternative to abortion. Also, we need to do more for children who are already born. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2009 9:33:34 PM | Yeah!! I'm pro-life. I oppose abortion and the death penalty. In the latter case, mostly because it cannot be applied equally in our system. In the first case, because it's murder. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 8:44:35 PM | Yeah
If you believe that EVERYONE is entitled to protection from death and bodily harm then you would be against abortion. For me it would be after the baby becomes conscious. By the same token if I were brain dead on a hospital bed then pull the plug. If you abort before the baby becomes conscious then it never knows the difference and Im ok with that.
Anyways its a very big contradiction on the part of people to say that they represent equality and yet advocate abortion after the fetus becomes viable. If I cant raise a child and give it the life I intended then I would give it up for adoption. Let it grow up and decide for itself if the life it ended up with is worth living. But to have an abortion for the same reason is not in line with free will and self determination. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 9:30:27 PM | abort before the baby becomes conscious then it never knows the difference and Im ok with that.
hmm
When does a baby become conscios? Its been observed to react to sound light and mother's moods dad's voice has also got a reaction out of an unborn. We have been able to keep a "premie" alive who fits in the palm of a mans hand.are you ok with inducing labor and keeping the baby alive? | |
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Posted: 3/12/2009 7:33:28 PM | Thank you VERY much,
yes you should consider the situation, each one of us has a choice to turn right or left...
this is OUR choice, and these are made for what ever reasons we see at the time. I would not tell anyone to go right, if left was better for them and the situation. In fact I believe...every one of us has a right to decide, Knowing this first hand I think if the PRO-LIFERS want to stop the obortion then they can adopt THAT child and accept the CHOICE that was made. Maybe they should just step up and or be quiet. | |
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