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Posted: 7/22/2007 7:27:23 AM | | Do NOT even put unborn babies and murderers in the same sentence. Apples and Oranges. Yes I believe I am pro-life, even as I support the death penalty. Why because the newest studies come to the conclusion that the death penalty does in fact have a preventive value. And to be pro-life doesnt mean the need to sanction people who show they cannot operate functionally to the rules in society to the extent that they must murder somebody (and by choice). | |
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Posted: 7/22/2007 12:34:56 PM | You are NOT pro-LIFE. Quit kidding yourself.
That study was written by some conservative twits trying to push their insane agenda onto the lawbooks. It's pure hogwash. In the state of Texas where the death penalty was enthusiastically used by Bushboy the Idiot when it was governor, and that state has a very high crime rate. That's just a bunch of right wing cr** being fed to a bunch of gullible people, like you.
We have jails for violent murderers. Lock them up and leave them there for the rest of their lives. ONE murder, and you are done. No more of this rapists or murderers getting off in three years. I say that we use the jails for what they are for, and if someone who is really innocent is in jail, release him. If someone was executed and then found innocent, you cannot give the man his life back. If you are really pro life, you cannot POSSIBLY support the death penalty too, because an innocent person could be murdered while using the death penalty.
Life without parole is an appropriate penalty for a violent crime. I am not sanctioning violent criminals by saying that I am against the death penalty. What I am for is locking them up for the rest of their lives so that they can't re commit their crimes. I say that life without parole should be given automatically to any murderer, rapist or child molester at the FIRST offense. The true PRO LIFE stand on this is to put these kinds of criminals in jail for the rest of their lives, and if someone is truly found innocent, that person has a chance to regain his freedom. Once dead, it's TOO LATE.
I have NO problem with someone who is against abortion who is for the death penalty calling himself anti abortion. That's fine and an appropriate term to use to describe yourself. And you are free to feel that way. BUT don't give me the apples and oranges nonsense. ALL life is precious, if you are genuinely pro LIFE. To me, you are just a person who is against abortion, NOT "pro-life".
BUT DO NOT call yourself pro LIFE if you support the death penalty while being against abortion!!!!!!!!!!!!  | |
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Posted: 7/24/2007 7:46:11 PM | | It just shows the depths to which we've sunken....We're debating the merits of murdering the most innocent among us? We've managed to mask murder as an opinion and put it on equal footing with life. What answer do we have prepared for God when it's time to give an account??? | |
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Posted: 7/24/2007 8:06:10 PM | | Your logic is faulty. You stated that "the question of abortion is an easy one to solve if you look at the problem..." I ask, what problem? Are you referring to a developing human being as a "problem"? Has anyone proven that an ant or bee or****oach has a conscious identity? Or are you arguing that when we kill them we're not really killing them because they don't have a conscious identity? Or you giving a higher value to insects then developing human beings? To "kill" something is to end it's life....Dead things don't grow....Only that which lives, develops and grows. To end that process is called killing....MURDER! When done among men...Using your logic, you should be murdered since by your arguments you demonstrated the lack of brain activity that you claim exists in the first trimester. Furthermore, read the things George Washington, John Adams, Ben Franklin, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Jefferson wrote about the things it takes to be a strong democracy...Immorality is not among them....Separation of Church and State is not among them. Read George Washington's 2nd Farewell Address. Let him, in his own words, educate you. The reality is that the Communist, liberal government has turned public schools into their church and you're obviously a pious member. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2007 10:05:10 PM |
Does a candidates position on abortion effect the way you vote?
No, there's larger issues that this.
I will say, however, Ron Paul had the best answer I've ever heard on the issue. When asked about his view on abortion he said something like, "I'm a Christian, and personally I think abortion is wrong. However, I'm running for president - a national position. Abortion is not specifically addressed in the constitution, and there's no amendment to the constitution for it. The Constitution expressly states, issues not specifically given on a national level are to be addressed at the sate level. Therefore this is something that should be addressed by the states, and has no relevance for presidential candidates." | |
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Posted: 7/24/2007 10:11:01 PM | | My other problem with this issue is the names themselves. We're all pro-life, and we're all pro-choice. The issue is ultimately: Should abortion be legal? That question can be answered as soon as we know when life begins. If it happens at conception, abortion is murder. If life begins at birth, anything happening to terminate the pregnancy is not murder. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2007 10:58:48 PM | | I agree with you 100%....until the fetus becomes VIABLE. At that point it does not need to mother any longer to live, but a crual twist of nature leaves the baby in the mother womb for another 2 months. A C-section at that point and the baby has a life. After viability the baby should come into some rights. Let's face it the woman had 5 months to make up her mind, make a dicision within THAT timeframe. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 12:10:33 PM | Hi Merc, do you want a pink or blue straightjacket? I'll give you a free ticket to see a shrink. Heaven knows you need one
I still hold fast to the feeling that it is dead wrong (pun intended!) to call oneself pro life if he is against abortion but favors the death penalty. Anti abortion is a more accurate description for someone like you. Someone who is against both abortion AND the death penalty is genuinely pro life, and someone I can respect for the consistency of his views.
It's people like Merc that give the "pro life" movement a bad name. They foam at the mouth when talking with people they do not agree with. Others give it a bad name by supporting evil politicians who lie and murder like Bush has (killing our troops and innocent bystanders in a useless war in Iraq that has only strengthened al-Qaeda, along with the state sanctioned murder of inmates in Texas). Still others resort to terrorist tactics such as the group "Operation Rescue" and those who kill abortion doctors. When people can give the issue a rest and focus on more important issues like jobs and the economy, we can finally (!) start moving forward.
Now, if the "pro life" movement was nonpartisan, encouraged more adoptions, and spent their money aiding pregnant women in trouble, I would support it wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, they've lost all credibility in my eyes with their sheer hypocrisy. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 3:00:00 PM | Your the foming one design, you left a nice paper trail. Anyone who reads through the thread can clearly see you intended to take things in a personal direction. And its obvious by every which direction in your post. Its an abortion post and your ranting about evil Bush and Iraq.
Anyhow Id still insist your position is wrong. Pro-life does not mean without exception. Its called due process. And of course war is another issue. Youd say your pro-life. Im not sure if you have children, didnt bother to look but lets say for the sake of argument you had a daughter. If someone breaks into your home at night and is about to snatch her away or do any harm to her and you have the means to stop that person dead in his tracks, would you pull the trigger? Of course you would, at least I hope you would hope you would if the danger of hitting your daughter was very slim. That would not mean your not pro-life. There are exceptions. Personally I find it unreasonable that Americans are asked to house these people convicted of these crimes. Especially in those audacious cases of those gunmen ambushing NYC police offices. If they are that defiant to society- they should hang. These are people we charge with protecting us, we should return the favor.
Talk about hypocracy.
a baby= innocent, convicted of no crime. Hence has a constitutional right to live
a convicted criminal convicted of murder in the 1st degree = due process was given, and the punishment handed out.
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:01:16 PM |
It's people like Merc that give the "pro life" movement a bad name. They foam at the mouth when talking with people they do not agree with. Others give it a bad name by supporting evil politicians who lie and murder like Bush has (killing our troops and innocent bystanders in a useless war in Iraq that has only strengthened al-Qaeda, along with the state sanctioned murder of inmates in Texas).
WOW! Talk about giving al-Qaeda and the Radical Islamic Facists a pass! Those regimes and governments have killed, tortured and mamed countless numbers of their own people, for crying out loud! But....I guess everything that's evil or bad in the world must be Bush's fault. sigh Although, he seems to be a bit late in creating the next Katrina. And whatever you do, don't give that man a match. He'll just go out west and start another wildfire.
Strengthened al-Qaeda? Does your TV get only one channel? Or is it just stuck on CNN?
Now, if the "pro life" movement was nonpartisan, encouraged more adoptions, and spent their money aiding pregnant women in trouble, I would support it wholeheartedly.
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:07:11 PM | WOW. I wash my hands completely of the "pro life" movement even though I am not a fan of abortions. If people like Merc think that the death penalty is okay and calls himself "pro LIFE" I want nothing to do with such an absurdly hypocritical "movement" that has done nothing to actually reduce the abortion rate. The "pro life" movement supports politicians who are harmful to our country instead of actually DOING things that can reduce the abortion rate. They dupe people into voting Republican just for the abortion issue, instead of actually taking the money and helping pregnant women with the adoption process or keeping their children. The pro life movement has lost its way and has put too much focus on putting bad politicians in office who are actually harmful to children. These kinds of dirtbags want to allow more pollution for example, something that is harmful to all children born and unborn.
Merc is the one foaming at the mouth. No wonder the "pro life" movement is losing so much credibility.
I am all for military tactics that stop terrorism, but I am not for executing someone who may not have committed a crime. It's state sanctioned murder, and NO ONE who calls himself pro life should support that barbaric practice.
I think it's high time that people called them what they really are: ANTI ABORTION. Being Pro LIFE means alot more than just being against abortion.
If you are really against abortion volunteer at an adoption agency or a crisis pregnancy center.
MERC the JERK HA HA HA HA HA I could not resist tweaking the twit | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:44:53 PM | now now play nice. lol. Hey Ill gladly say it...Im anti-abortion....and Im pro-life 
More rants, now anti abortion = pollution to some effect. Gotta admit i never would have guess youd be ranting about that .
You make the argument that society owes this huge debt to mothers who are in need. Certainly we should help them out- but they are not owed. tough circumstances do not warrant special permission to terminate a pregnancy. We all face tough circumstances in life, some of us more than others. But we become better people when we dont run away from our problems and do the best we can.
design if you need a hug I'm open arms | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 8:02:02 AM |
WOW! Talk about giving al-Qaeda and the Radical Islamic Facists a pass! Those regimes and governments have killed, tortured and mamed countless numbers of their own people, for crying out loud! But....I guess everything that's evil or bad in the world must be Bush's fault. sigh Although, he seems to be a bit late in creating the next Katrina. And whatever you do, don't give that man a match. He'll just go out west and start another wildfire.
Strengthened al-Qaeda? Does your TV get only one channel? Or is it just stuck on CNN?
Ah the old Fox News/Bush-Cheney mantra at work: "A mind is a terrible thing to change." Stay that course forward thinkers, workin great so far...
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Posted: 7/26/2007 1:42:29 PM |
MERC the JERK HA HA HA HA HA
This exemplifies maturity [end sarcasm] | |
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Posted: 7/29/2007 2:35:18 PM | It's nice to see some posts in favor of choosing life. I believe in prochoice....as long as the choice is made prior to conception.
side note to q1st....wish u didnt have the block of 75 miles on your contact restrictions!! | |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 8:28:56 PM | I am going to have to repeat myself to some people here who still don't get it!
One who favors the death penalty is NOT pro life. NUFF SAID | |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 9:02:46 PM | One who favors the death penalty is NOT pro life.
You’re right! You can’t be calling yourself PRO LIFE from a Christian perspective and favor the death penalty. Ugh!
The prison ministries are a testimony in what God can do in the Love realm!
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Posted: 7/31/2007 1:11:09 AM |
You’re right! You can’t be calling yourself PRO LIFE from a Christian perspective
From a Christian's perspective? Christianity is a religion with one of the bloodiest histories of all of them! PRO LIFE from a Christian Perspective...thats a laugh! It's ok to kill Hethens, but not children conceived in sin.
I am pro death penalty, and Canadian...almost an oxymoron! When there is a certainty of guilt (ie Charles Manson, Paul Bernado) then they should be put to death instead of weighing on the prison systems over taxed budget
I am anti abortion. You chose to screw, as the saying goes, dont do the crime if you cant do the time. If the baby is a danger to the mother, if the baby is a rape-child...these are reasonable acceptions. Abortion is NOT birth control...that said I think it should be legal. People will get them, legal or not, and I would rather it happen in a hospital than a back alley. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 4:13:45 PM | | I'm not a radical, really but there has been 50 million abortions in this country since a junkie dyke won her court case. We've swept it under the rug quite efficiently. One Sunday night at midnight watch a show on channel 55 Eclipse of Reason, see if you change your mind at all. Partial birth abortion where they stick a long needle and suck out the brain matter of the infant. Excruciatinly painful,without a doubt a slaughter tactic and there's been more than 10 million of those. A regular abortion they just crack the infants spinal column again unmercifully painful (it has a heart beat). Medically, philisophically, scientifically you should be able to smash the baby's head against the curb before it's six month's old, take it for a test drive so to speak and your probably doing a better thing for the infant than legalprocedures they are performing today. That's no joke. Ask a doctor. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 4:43:12 PM | | Merry XMAS. What is it Malcolm X's birthday? Sorry, changed subjects, that always ticks me off. It's posted on the bottom. Just some information about a couple of New York politicians. Chuck Shumer's # 1 agenda has been to keep partial bith abortions legal. Your basically stabbing a baby's head open in order to cut out it's brain as it's being born. They argue you are doing it to prevent the mother from harm. A mother can choose to do this because she is under to much stress minutes before the child is born and in no real physical danger at all. What mother isn't experiencing too much stress on a day like this? There's been more than 10 million of these types of abortions perfomed in this country legally. It makes you really hope there's a hell. About everyone's favorite, Mike Bloomberg, he recently threatened to cut off funds to medical schools bwcause doctors and med students were trying to get abortion training off the curiculum. Bloomberg won. 9/11 3,700 Americans dead. Iraq war, 3,350 Americans dead. Abortion Over 50 million and counting, over 10 million on their birthday. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2007 4:10:21 PM | | I'm sorry Marie88 but I take offense to that. I have a learning disability so I guess in your view I should have been aborted because of my learning disability | |
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Posted: 9/1/2007 11:21:43 PM | “I feel the question is irrelevant in the US since the Supreme Court ruled it's legal but my question is:Does a candidates position on abortion effect the way you vote?”
I would first like to extend some common courtesy and address that question.
In MSG 24 Cuteguy comments affirmatively, “This ABSOLUTELY effects my vote.”
He bases his argument on some ethical points. He considers the abortion question a test to determine if this person would have the ability to disassociate themselves from their Religious moral values for the purpose of upholding the ethical moral foundations as guaranteed to each of us in the constitution.
There are many times that our elected officials will be asked and required to enter a vote, for the people, that is in direct conflict with their personal moral convictions.
I totally agree and so should everyone here. We focus so much effort in finding a representative who shares our opinions that we neglect their ability to perform the duties required of the office they seek. LOGIC must dictate to you that no one is ever going to share ALL your opinions and thus make choices you would make. That alone should send you searching for other avenues by which to determine if this person is honest, capable of ethical and critical thinking and trustworthy enough to serve as the extension of your voice when ethically applied to the matter at hand.
So, while Cuteguy responds in the affirmative, I would like to say that we might actually get a better picture of where a person stands by changing the question just a bit.
“Would you be willing to re-examine the legal issues of abortion and under what circumstances?”
This allows the person to answer in relation to an already established legal precedent, give the reasons that he would deem acceptable to pursue re-examinations, and leave the floor open to airing his/her own personal opinions.
We need to communicate more effectively if we are going to cast logical and educated votes. We can no longer simply vote for a person who holds one shared opinion, no matter how much value you give that persons opinion it is only, in the end, ethics aside, just their opinion and it counts for no more than 1 in the number of voters to be considered. | |
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