| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/13/2007 10:15:32 AM | A friend of mine Pedro used to live in a very big house. He got a job at 18 which was a decent one and he bought a house on the estate i grew up on. So it doesnt mean he is any less of a person by living there.
Trouble where i live is its very posh. Buying your own home here is a major problem if you can't get a mortgage. When i asked my mate how much he bought it for he told me £125K. Houses off the estates here rise dramatically the closer you get to the centre of town.
So alot of indipendant middle and upper class people around 25 to my age are buying property on the estates, doing them up and selling them at a profit to get somewhere more secluded and quiet. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:15:56 AM | Not really, cos things like that never happen in council homes, do they????
God forbid you ever fall on hard times and the local authority has to take you in.
I have never known such biggotry as what is being spouted on here in the last couple of weeks.
Oh, by the way i pay £450 per month on rent and £103 per month on council tax. How exactly am i getting a hand out????? | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/13/2007 10:16:25 AM |
parents sat on chairs on the pavement all chatting whilst snotty kids ran about
What absolutely disgraceful behaviour !!!!!!!!!!
NOT
What exactly is wrong with talking to a neighbour? Perhaps you feel that superior, that you would not dare converse with yours in public, but I can see nothing wrong with it.
The qualities required to be a good person, are not to do with how much you earn, or where you live! | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/13/2007 10:16:25 AM | oi, pie man!!
 
talk about stereo typing, get a grip!
I work my a*** off, i save lives most days of the week, i work at any time day or night, i work my a*** off! i have a fantastic job, i love it and know i make a diffrence on a daily basis, i am lucky to know people are still alive because i took the time to be there for them, how much time do you take out to support and help another human being, when was the last time you did a random act of kindness????????????
the one thing i have noticed about the estates i have lived on both private (house worth quite a sum, i could buy 3 of what i am in now with) is that the people on this estate dont judge, they dont condem and they will help another human being out at cost to themselves. i love my neighbours and the people on this estate, much more then i can say for the private estate i have lived on!
PFx | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/13/2007 10:18:05 AM | I lived on a council estate...bloody rough too. As for being judged adversly, I couldn't give a stuff, neither then nor now.
But, and please just take this as a genuine question, why is there so much more trouble on some council estates? Why does it seem there's much less agro where there's privately owned properties? Is this a false assumption on my part?
Please take this as me playing devils advocate here...really, I'm living in a council estate at the moment! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:18:23 AM |
Missy H I did not infer that at all - I simply said that people who have mortgages or own their properties are taking responsibility, rather than paying discounted housing rent to the state ie getting a handout. Whether you work or not is irrelevant.
One of my best mates mortgage is £137 a month. My council rent is £240 a month, how are council tenants getting a hand out?
Some may get help with paying rent, but if they are working it's unlikely.
I disagree that your saying that someone like me, isn't taking on responsibility because i'm a tenant. I'd have loved to have been on the property ladder years ago, but i've not been able to think about it until recently.
There are many decent people about on council estates or in bought homes, just as there are bad. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:21:41 AM | we can always tell who are council tennants. im not a snob or anything like that but then again a certain element of decurum or class is in view.
my council tennants will kick their kids out regardless of age/sex at all hours.
they tend to be anti-social, as regards swearing, loud music, drinking on the streets etc
it is not because im a home owner, or anything like that i just hate the 'chav' culture
Sorry, but i am laughing so hard at this statement it is making my sides ache!!!
I have been a council tenent in what used to be the biggest housing estate in europe at one time for over 32 years now. Both of my parents have always worked, but there was always a parent home when i got in from school and there was always one there to get me in at a sensible time at night and put me to bed.
I have a fair level education with 6 'O' Levels and 3 'A' levels (Physics, Computer Science and English Literature) as well as being a A+ qualified computer engineers. I have worked since i was 13 years old and since i was 16 i have held 3 long term positions (1st job redundant, 2nd i left for the third).
I have never been involved with the police and have raised five children with my same moral values and they are an absolute credit to me as you will hear from anyone that has met them.
I really do hate it when people take a commom misconception and expand it to cover everyone that falls into a single category as they see it.
misconception?
before i brought my house i lived in a rough area of birmingham, as a council tennant.
the reason i had to move was due to being a witness in a murder investigation
the suspects 4 youths beat to death a 68year old
the area still a council area since i left has had several murders and muiltiply rapes.
in fact an old school friend of mine was killed there last summer!
the reasons of this area being bad
drugs
anti-social behavior
unemployment
council area
please do not tell me i do not know what i am saying | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:23:08 AM | Yes Piewhacket I know where you are coming from about the crime.........
I lived in Slade Green in Kent for the first few weeks of my life before moving to Sidcup. My parents had a private house there but most of Slade Green was council. Full of what we would call pykies now. Everyone got on with everyone. Noooot anymore. I went to view a private house there when I was 20 and feck me turned round and drove away again...burnt out cars! It is so bad there now, that people have to leave lights on when going out or they get there windows stoned.
Star Lane in St Mary Cray.....the whole road was demolished because it was so bad. A no go area for police, ambulance, fire and inland revenue. St pauls Cray....getting just as bad. The council estates in Swanley same thing again.
Seems to me that the council manage somehow to house all the dregs together. So that there are nice council estates with decent people on them.
I would be hard pushed to name a private road around any of those areas that have the same problems as the council estate roads. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:26:33 AM |
misconception?
before i brought my house i lived in a rough area of birmingham, as a council tennant.
the reason i had to move was due to being a witness in a murder investigation
the suspects 4 youths beat to death a 68year old
the area still a council area since i left has had several murders and muiltiply rapes.
in fact an old school friend of mine was killed there last summer!
the reasons of this area being bad
drugs
anti-social behavior
unemployment
council area
please do not tell me i do not know what i am saying
Well what are you saying??????? Because if you are saying that because you now have a morgage, and have moved out of a council estate that you are better than council tennants then yes, you don't know what you are saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:26:42 AM | | Mark, I never said qualities in a person are down to how much they earn, and don't even think for one moment I don't converse with a lot of people in my area. However, those I do converse with have some pride in what they would sit out in and also I don't particularly want to sit on a curb because, and believe me on this one, I have a burnt out car in the front garden (once again I am talking about my local estate). | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:28:57 AM | Missy H your friend most probably has that low a mortgage because they had a good deposit to put down - there could be a lot of reasons.
With regard to how much you pay in rent, my mortgage is more than that a week. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:29:13 AM |
misconception?
before i brought my house i lived in a rough area of birmingham, as a council tennant.
the reason i had to move was due to being a witness in a murder investigation
the suspects 4 youths beat to death a 68year old
the area still a council area since i left has had several murders and muiltiply rapes.
in fact an old school friend of mine was killed there last summer!
the reasons of this area being bad
drugs
anti-social behavior
unemployment
council area
please do not tell me i do not know what i am saying
I am very sorry for what you have been through, but that does not mean that every housing estate in the whole country is exactly the same, does it???
On top of that, is murder, rape, robbery and so on confined to these areas alone and commited by people from these areas alone??? | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:31:37 AM | i don't have a morgage!
i have worked hard for the things i want, maybe you are quoting me without understanding what i am saying?
i was asked a question i responded to it!
if you lived where i did for near 18years you may understand my point of view
i am not saying that everybody on a council estate or those as council tennants are anti-social etc
just the ones i have personal experience of | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:32:12 AM |
I would be hard pushed to name a private road around any of those areas that have the same problems as the council estate roads.
Of course you wouldnt because on Council estates everyone gets on better, at least a majority of them do. You find that most people know eachother.
Also on Estates there tends to be a meeting ground for youth's. Like the shops or the park. Where as on private residential property there isn't anything like that. And as you all know, when groups get to gether trouble erupts.
But that doesn't mean to say in private residential areas that trouble doesnt erupt because of groups, its just less common. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:37:39 AM | Well if you have a burnt out car in your front garden perhaps you should do something about it instead of sniping, whinging and generally moaning like a child whos lost its dummy!!
For christs sake man get a grip, you own a home, but you dont own the common sense not to GENERALISE!!!!!
Not all council estates are the same thats just a pathetic and stupid comment to make. I for one have never sat on the kerb...allowed my children to stay out late, had loud music, or infact seen as i have 3 teenagers EVER had the police to my door... WHY?? it has NOTHINGat all to do with where i live, i could be in a cardboard box my morals would still be the same.. Your comments at best are pathetic and founded only on the basis of where you live..
May i as a council,going to be homeowner suggest that perhaps you move to a more desirable area!!!
CRAZYHELL on ~Treezas~ pc!!!!
Whats next??.........bloody social snobs wage war on garden gnomes!!! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:38:28 AM | Well these are all localised analogies really.
After all I can quote council areas I know but not the ones I have no idea of. Just the same as most other people on here.
I would be happy to stick my neck out and say that all the bad areas of one particular estate of say 1 square mile for example. Compare that to a private area close by. Conclusion council...$hit hole/private....nice area.
Compare the square mile of a nice council estate and they do exist, to a private area close by.
Conclusion. Council.......nice area/ private...nice area. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:41:14 AM | | Its become apparent on reading through the posts on this thread that there are some downright snobs on these forums I live in private rented accommodation on a small estate which was once entirely council tenants and over the years some people have purchased their properties. We have a mixture of married / single families of all ages , some working some not. Yes , over the years there have been people who have caused trouble but the interesting fact is the majority of them were from the privately owned properties. Our local council has a policy which evicts unruly tenants and they stick to it rigidly. Maybe other authorities should take heed and act accordingly. My parents live in a secluded and private estate but still have their fair share of trouble makers. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:41:23 AM | I dont assume anything about anyone.
I was born and raised on a mining estate in staffordshire and im very proud of where i lived because i was raised by two loving parents,had loving friends and family around me and people helped each other when help was needed.
I have lived in council houses/flats,ive had a mortgage and owned my own home,im back in a council flat and i can honestly say people will cause trouble regardless of where they live if they are that way inclined.
What i found was the majority of people who own their own homes turned their backs on their neighbours when any trouble arose,whereas people who live on the council estates actually helped or did something about any trouble makers.
Again it depends on the people you live amongst.
Peace and love to you all,regardless of where you live.......oh and ive been homeless too,lived in hostels and slept rough so i think im experienced enough to know what im talking about!!!! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:41:39 AM | | There are good and bad council estates though good council estates are very few and far between. In London I know two really sought after council estates. One is near Red Lion Square in Holborn and the other is at Ham between Kingston and Richmond near the Thames. The one at Ham is joined on to a posh private estate and is in a prime location along the upper Thames near Teddington Lock. That estate is spotless with no signs of vandalism or graffittee and immaculate gardens and green open spaces. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:44:22 AM | | I might also add that we have a very active Residents /Tenants Association Group where I live and , along with the support of local Police and Council authorities ,we work hard to keep unwelcome gangs from the area. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:44:31 AM | | Stone castle ...i lived on Crackley Estate....you know it and i know you lived in Bradwell....great people and trouble makers come from all walks of life,regardless of where they have lived. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:51:31 AM | | I've lived my entire life on council estates. Some of them have been nice places, others have been rough as fook and abysmal to live in. I would never judge a person on whether they lived in a council house or a privately owned house. You do get some people who think they are somehow better because they own their own home but both buildings are only bricks and mortar at the end of the day and you can't take it with you when you shuffle off this mortal coil. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:59:02 AM | You find with all societys council or otherwise that there are levels within each.
You can come from the roughest council estate in the world and still find that there will be an area that people from that esate to be worse than there own. And then the people within that area will have somewhere else they consider to be worse than theres.
The same applies in reverse in non council areas.
In todays society you can find a royal in a council house and a commoner in a palace. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:04:27 AM | I came from a very humble working class background and my parents were the first in any generation to buy their own home.. (in the 60's). Prior to that they rented from private landlords as did my grandparents and great-grandparents before them. When I was born, there was no council accommodation. There was no vandalism, there was no violence but there was lots of community spirit (bordering on the being nosey I suppose) and children were brought up to respect property and human life.
It has been recognised all over the world that poor housing creates many social problems and unfortunately, the poorer housing in the UK is on council-owned estates - that is a fact and not just a throw-away comment from me. If you look at crime figures, it is the inner city sprawl and the large council estates in areas where there is high unemployment where crime is the highest.
My ex husband and I bought our first house nearly 35yrs ago...... but if we hadn't have been able to afford a mortgage, all I can say is 'there but for the grace of god go I' and my kids could well have been brought up on a council estate as could my grandkids.... | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:05:47 AM | Take the population from a council estate, compare it to a similar sized piece of privately owned land, compare the population... Your standard council estate will have a higher population (what with the tower blocks and stuff) and therefore a higher crime rate - you increase population, the crime rate goes up too.
Unfortunately a council is required to house its constituants regardless of their behavior (unless it involves paying the council rent or having broken tenant rules), these people have to be put somewhere...
I've lived on my council estate for 7 years now and am considering buying my property as I can see it as the only way to get on the property ladder. The area's not the best but neither is it the worst and while I don't plan to stay here forever who's to say that if I move to a 'nicer' area that it will remain 'nicer' for the years to come?
I don't judge people by where they live (though it can be an indication of money within their family  ), I judge people by who they are. | |
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