| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/13/2007 11:13:57 AM | its the person you are not where u live
i was brought up by a single parent on a council estate, now im on a private estate, im still the same person, i dont like all the people on this estate just as im sure i wouldnt like all those on a council one.
im bringing my children up to know that, its about what is inside a person.
last year i nearly ended up back on a council estate and i wouldve still been me.
i always think about these things when i see homeless people, wonder about their backgrounds etc u should never judge someone less fortunate as it could be yourself one day... | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/13/2007 11:19:18 AM | | I was brought up on a council estate and now own my own home there is no difference there are good people and bad people everywhere. And handouts, what the hell has that got to do with owning or renting.... my husband died 3 years ago i live on a widows pension and tax credits til my kids start full time school does that mean my kids might be prone to go out and whack pensioners for a tenner???? Not all home owners work for a living but my mortgage isn't being paid for me and i have no handouts that any working mums don't get...i read of one case where an unemployed guy with his OWN HOME and on the dole was getting his mortgage payed by the state at £1000 a month, very responsible... the area where i live is all private houses but there is a family up the road from me who are a right crew, the police are always there... its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other whereever you go and whoever you are. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:23:12 AM | I think, bearing in mind the price of houses these days, more and more people are renting their accommodation.
I grew up in a council house and it certainly hasn't had any affect on how I've progressed through my life.
Now I find myself divorced with 3 children and not in the postion of EVER being able to buy a house of my own. I rent privately because waiting lists for housing associations are so huge. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:26:27 AM |
Oh and the difference is people who own or have mortgages are taking responsibility for being an adult and not expecting the state to give them a handout.
I live in a council estate and always have, i work hard for my money and would like my own place. Do you realise how hard it is for first time buyers? No i think not.
Oh, and as for many peolpe on my estate, they are great. I'd rather interact with them than a stuck up cow any day of the week, including you.
There are good and bad people in every kind of estate, you seem too stupid to realise that and the sad thing is you may never change what you think.
From council estate there are many kind peolpe.
To finish, dont assume most people living in council estates dont have money!!!
I know many peolpe who are truely happy in council estates and would not move anywhere near people like you.
Good luck to people that do own their own properties, just dont look down on people that dont.
So, who do you think are the happiest??? It's not all about money.
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:31:05 AM | piewaket...
well the house i own is an ex council now i paid a lot for it but the ones i brought it off most likely paid a lot less than i did,so i would say they were the smarter of the two.
ie ex council tenant pays £57,000 sells for £94,000. im paying £37,000 to him more for the house that he used to rent yet i have to sell for £95,000 before i make a profit.. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:34:37 AM | Well they are just taking one council house off of the stock list!!!!! So denying others what they have benefited from.
I wouldn't buy an ex council house. Good luck to you though for doing so. No doubt you will be able to sell it on again when the time is right. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:38:03 AM | Personall i think selling off council property which has been paid for by our hard earned taxes nothing short of theft that will do nothing more than drive the rate of homelessness in this country up.
The councils claim they use this money to build new homes yet nor more than a fraction of the sale of the property goes back into new development - sheer luancy that our children will pay the price for. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:41:16 AM | My god!!!!!! we have a decent debate on the forum..
But come on peeps.... crimes, vandalism, joyriders, drugs , prostitution...and anything else you want to mention... it happens anywhere, and everywhere, done by people of all backgrounds and walks of life.. we all live amongs it , but always have an excuse to ignore it going on in our own backyard .. or blame it on the less fortunate.. so to spk can anyone honestly say they have no crime within half a mile of where they live, and regadless of how they live! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:41:30 AM | Theone4u - Oh, I dunno - if the population does indeed decrease over the next 50 years or so wouldn't that mean that there will be enough homes and then some to go around?  | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:42:17 AM | Council estate or home owner hmmmm does that make ya a bad person no it does not I can tell you that just because you live in a council house does not mean you have less morals than joe bloggs who lives in his own house.
I work for my local council and I can tell you that yes alot of people in council homes are on benefit just like there are alot of council tenants who pay rent who work hard, but there are also private rented homes aswell and I can tell you that alot of people in private rented homes are also on benefits does that make them a better person just because they live outside the rough council estates no it doesn't and I can also say alot of people choose to have a council homes as a starter to the property ladder as the prices are so high and that is the only way to get on the ladder like my self I am a council tenant I pay rent and have just put my right to buy in does that make me a bad person der no does it make me a chav der no and does it make me the drug dealer who lives a few streets away from me who actually lives in oh let me see a private house der no again so in answer to your question we live in the 21st century and there are good and bad in all walks of life council, morgage or private rented.  | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:44:18 AM |
Personall i think selling off council property which has been paid for by our hard earned taxes nothing short of theft that will do nothing more than drive the rate of homelessness in this country up. That is not true as a lot of council housing is being sold off to housing associations which invest in new housing. Also there is a thriving private rented sector which is expanding as more people decide it is cheaper to rent than buy.
What is really causing homelessness is mass immigration which has increased competition for rented accomadation thus forcing up rents and making spare vacant accomadation very hard to find. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:48:04 AM | | The house / place a person lives, in my eyes, never alters my judgement of them. I know some really nice people from council estates, and some horrible ones from private estates. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:50:52 AM | Where is this 'silver spoon' people keep talking about? I can't find mine! My parents were working class but went without to get their own home - so I guess I was brought up with the idea that that was what you did.
I've never lived on a council estate but I did marry someone who had been brought up on one. I've always struggled to buy my own home. And I do mean struggle. If I had to rent (a distinct possibility the way costs are going up) I would prefer a tumbledown cottage in the middle of nowhere because I dislike built up areas.
To me, this and other things have less to do with money, more to do with mindset. It's not that I wouldn't date someone from an estate, I would just be concerned that we were in sync. I would have similar concerns if they lived in a detached Barrett house or one of those private 1970s estates which all seem to be called 'Broadmeadows'. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:52:07 AM |
Personall i think selling off council property which has been paid for by our hard earned taxes nothing short of theft that will do nothing more than drive the rate of homelessness in this country up. We have Mrs Thatcher to blame for this, what gets me is that you can gain the Right to Buy from a Public landlord, but not from a Private landlord. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:52:49 AM | I was raised as a kid on a London council estate from the 60s-80s and found it to be like a close knit family. The benefits included :
You could play safely.........the neighbours watched out for you !!!
You knew where the local nonce lived...........and was driven out or else dealt with !!!
Community Spirit..........if anyone was struggling financially they would be helped out !!
I wouldnt have had my upbringing any other way !!
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:54:55 AM | | Private estate!!!!! There is private as in roads maintained by highways agency and council. Then there are what I call private......the actual roads are privately owned by the estate, like mine. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:00:53 PM | I think everyone is missing the point here, unless it’s just me!
No one is saying anybody is better then the other. I own my own house and I feel like a snob because of that, judging by some of the posts.
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I grew up in a Council Estate, it was normal in those days to start from there.
I have to say though the majority of anti social behaviour does come from kids from a council. They do not respect where they live.
You wont find people on the dole buying their own house.
No offence to people that live in one, there are many good people that do and have lovely house.
But that is why the government are putting in social housing in new built areas. So they can neighbour didn’t types of stereotypes.
The down side to this, you can pay half a mil for a house and down the road you have families that don’t give a shit.
I purchased a brand new build a couple of years ago, there was a group of social housing behind me, it effecting the price when I sold, and also the damage that was caused by anti social kids!
Parents get a grip and get them in line, do your job!! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:03:10 PM | The silver spoon i refer to is the fact of pure jealousy, not that I resent others having what I didn’t... i.e. FOOD! The fact that both myself and my sister are very intelligent, but being booted out of our mothers home at the age of 15 and 16 respectively meant we had to go out and WORK, not tax dodge through college and university, we were too young to qualify for benefits the system sucks, and unfortunately we paid the price. I have a dear friend who as an only child went through uni and walked out without a penny of debt and never worked a day during her time there. Some people are lucky enough to have support in their choices in life others are not. Where I am today is a result of sheer hard work, I am not on income support, I work 2 jobs to pay for my children. Not that being on benefits is wrong, it is when you abuse the system it becomes wrong.
I live in a council house, I had little choice, the amount of money I spend on child care and the cost of houses means I am not likely to afford my own place for some time yet. But what I will say is given the choice, I would live here in this house above any owned house me and my ex had.
Rant over!
PF x
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:03:59 PM | Fight....Fight.....Fight...............
Yes you guessed it i live in a council place.............a lil' dead end road thats full of old dears and backs on to the navy base.
I tell ya what the riff raff down my road dont half drive me mad i mean only yesterday the old guy nxt door stoped to ask how i was, i shit a brick thought he was gonna rob me giro !! See i needs me giro for me habit.......... yup you got it my shopping habit.
FFS people get ova yaselves ppl define ppl not places.......... places dont define our morals are upbring does.
i can see some ppls points some areas do have rough council estates but that is due to ppls choices not due to where they live, ppl chose how to behave !!!
Not everbody has a choice where they live i got kicked out of my parents i lived in 2 diff hostels then the council housed me does that make me a bad person or a trouble maker........NO.
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:07:56 PM | Missy H I did not infer that at all - I simply said that people who have mortgages or own their properties are taking responsibility, rather than paying discounted housing rent to the state ie getting a handout. Whether you work or not is irrelevant
It's lucky if you can afford morgage, would I like to own home of cause I would, but likely hood of me being able do to so is slim to nothing, I don't earn over £30,000, and the size property I need i'm looking at anywhere between £300,000 and £400,000, I'm currently in private rent and right now I bidding just to get on the social housing ladder, not everybody earns enough to get a morgage, so because I can't afford a morgage i'm not responsible, because I want to get on to the social housing ladder that makes me what? does it mean my child a foul mouthed louts? I'm a working class girl and I'm not ashamed of that, my children are well mannered, they work hard at school, and my elderly neighbours say they are one of the few children they know who will actually stop and enquire if they need any help with anything. my local shop are quite happy to let them in without worrying that they are going to cause any bother, you get good and bad and all, just because someone lives in social housing doesn't make them any less than someone who has a morgage. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:14:31 PM | MSG 69
Private estate!!!!! There is private as in roads maintained by highways agency and council. Then there are what I call private......the actual roads are privately owned by the estate, like mine. This term means privatlely owned, and not by a public body. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:16:19 PM | Hi Dancingste, wow lots to answer on your thread.
Firstly, if you don't want to interact with me - and being offensive just confirms MY beliefs - then don't respond to my thread. It is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
Secondly, there are people on estates with money, I do not doubt that, so why don't they move and buy a property so that a deserving family who do seriously need housing through no fault of their own, can move in? Oh I can answer that one - they don't because they are getting the best of both worlds. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:19:10 PM | | well i now know i have a silver spoon up my arris, my father worked for 12 hrs a day 6 days a week to afford his place in croydon and when he died i used the inheritance to buy my place i still have to make a living but dont have to worry about rent/morgage. christ forumites jsut because you live in council houses it dont lower the person. lets look at house prices yet alone the repayments croydon a 2 bed house can cost 200,ooo in wales around 110,ooo.not sure of other areas but really how many can really afford to get on the ladder. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 12:21:41 PM | Dave mg62............As someone who lives on a 'private' estate. As in the roads are private. You need permission from the original developer to extend your property. You are not allowed satellite dishes on show. Boats or caravans on driveways or parked on the road.
To me there is a very very big difference in the term private estate. From being like mine...mainly company directors and all detatched. To being a private housing estate. | |
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