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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/14/2007 12:57:45 AM | Iv lived on council estates, bought my own house and am now living on a sought after housing trust estate, in a house, which I dont have the option to buy.
And the difference between them is..... absolutely none. In each case neighbours looked out for each other, their kids and property. In each area I have lived there has also been crime, gangs of kids roaming the streets and graffitti.
Its how you treat others, with respect and its often repaid tenfold.
Incidently, I also know of a few people in bought houses that are on benefits and have social security pay the interest only on thier morgages ( I know someone who actually bought her council flat while claiming incapacity benefit, because she proved to social security that paying the interest on her morgage would be a lot cheaper than paying rent!). I also know quite a few who live in council property that work full time and wouldnt dream of claiming benefits.
No point in lording it over anyone else, theres good and bad in all situations. | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/14/2007 1:51:10 AM | | My parents were hard working, law abiding, proud of Queen and country and always bought their properties. In fact, as I grew up, I hadn't even heard of council houses. Yet, as it transpired, lots of my friends lived in rented accommodation on estates. I moved into my first purchased home a week after my 18th birthday with my husband. Due to circumstances, I had to leave and was rehoused in a flat on a council estate with 2 very young children. I hated living in a flat, but I can honestly say that some people were as friendly and helpful as had been in my bought house. I worked and prioritised my bills and my children. I always prioritised my children's welfare and safety, their education and their manners. Some of their friends, from expensive private homes, with professional parents, were downright thugs. I then remarried, and when pregnant with my third child, we were lucky enough to be allocated a 3 bed semi. Eventually we bought it and even after the divorce, I live there today, having taken over the mortgage in it's entirety. My daughters are grown, responsible adults and have never brought any trouble to my door. My son was bullied in school, being kicked and thumped, had his blazer ripped to shreds, by children from more affluent homes. He is very academic, very sporty, extremely helpful and as much a credit to me, as were his elder sisters. His 'friends' are into drugs, vandalism etc and although he sees them at school, refuses to socialise with them, for these very reasons. Their parents are professionals, who seem to have little time to be keeping an eye on their offspring. A lot of these 'friends' are dropping out of 'As' levels in droves. His close friend is from our estate. He too is going on to do 'A' levels, in the next academic year. My son, although he has been quite ill this year, will continue to complete his studies, even though he is having to retake 'As' year. He also has 2 part time jobs and helps me by doing diy and some gardening. After my divorce, I gave up a well paid job, to work from home and to be there for my son. I work, pay my bills and provide for my child and anybody I have residing with me. I have little left over for luxuries, but I try. I have no trouble from neighbours. There is the odd going on that I disapprove of, like children too young to be out alone etc, but my friends in the more affluent part of my area, see the same things. The gang of kids that congregate are mixed from the estate and from the private areas. They are regularly moved on by the police and just move from our shops, to theirs. My own children were never allowed to be 'shop kids' as I called them. I could not afford to move, even if I wanted to. Peoples behaviours are down to their upbringing and not the place they live. | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/14/2007 3:13:54 AM | I've never lived in a council house and neither have my children. We studed and worked hard also limiting the amount of children we had. That doesn't make me better than anyone else. What is frustrating is that sometimes people begrudge you for doing well and blame the fact they live in a council house on others, without taking responsibility for themselves.  | |
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| It is a matter of class
Posted: 5/14/2007 5:01:37 AM | Hi, you make a valid point. Im afraid many homeowners look down on people council estates because it is in them to do so.
Britain is a class ridden country, and none more so than since the Thatcher era of everyman for himself and no such thing as society.
Please read my thread about a Petition on the Downing Street Web Site on behalf of Britain's elderly people, and then read my profile.
Regards
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| It is a matter of class
Posted: 5/14/2007 5:30:22 AM | I live in a private court, my best friend lives in a council house, in one of the worst parts of coventry, she has been my friend for 20 years, and although we have very different lifestyles, and come from very different backgrounds, I love her to bits, and when the going gets tough, she's there for me, as I am for her..
People are people no matter where they live, or their social circumstances..
I find the nouveau rich, far more irritating and annoying than any other social sector.. | |
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jaxx62
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Joined: 3/25/2007
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| It is a matter of class
Posted: 5/14/2007 5:51:51 AM | Posh4, i agree with what you say about the nouveau rich, and about people being people whatever their social circumstances. there are 2 things you can do in this life, you can work hard to get a decent life for yourself and your kids, or you can sit on your a**e and let the goverment pay for you. i chose the first, granted, i had a lucky break by buying my first house from my local council, then by selling it to get something a little bigger, in a better neighbourhood. but i work my ass off to keep my home, and its not easy when your a single parent. its a matter of pride, a lot of people who live on council estates keep their homes lovely, and raise their kids well, while others don`t care tuppence, and so inevitably end up on a council estate, where their kids are allowed to run riot. if the parents don`t care, why should the kids?
its not a case of the haves and the have nots anymore. if you want a good life its there to be had, you just gotta be prepared to work for it, or marry a millionaire, lol! | |
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| It is a matter of class
Posted: 5/14/2007 6:45:56 AM | As I said in my first message in this looooooong thread, we cannot be so judgemental of people because of their ability or inability to buy a home.....there is good and bad in all folk so let's move on............... next subject?
BB | |
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| Thatcher
Posted: 5/14/2007 7:11:47 AM | This was'nt helped by Thatcher allowing council houses to be sold off in the 1980's, and she never replaced them, hence this countries crisis in affordable social housing now.
Michael | |
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| Thatcher
Posted: 5/15/2007 12:10:36 AM | MSG 111
This was'nt helped by Thatcher allowing council houses to be sold off in the 1980's, and she never replaced them, hence this countries crisis in affordable social housing now.
How does the lack of affordable social housing affect the way that those who own houses view those who live in council houses? | |
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| Thatcher
Posted: 5/15/2007 12:35:10 AM |
How does the lack of affordable social housing affect the way that those who own houses view those who live in council houses?
I think what the poster of this comment was trying to say was that it is increasingly difficult for anyone now to get on the housing ladder. I couldnt afford a mortgage now in any way, not unless i met a nice man who earned a lot more than me that was willing to buy a house with me, him paying virtually all of the mortgage.
It does seem however, that some posters seem to think that owning their own home makes them superior, whether they bought their house 15 years ago when prices were cheap, whether they are on amazing wages or if their house was given to them in a divorce settlement, they seem to think that it makes them better than anyone who dares not to be in the same situation as i am.
I have no problem with anyone in regards to their housing situation, yet some have a problem with mine..
such is life | |
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| Thatcher
Posted: 5/15/2007 12:47:31 AM | MSG 113
I think what the poster of this comment was trying to say was that it is increasingly difficult for anyone now to get on the housing ladder.
The selling-off of council properties actually increased the number of houses which are available for sale, and that should REDUCE the price of housing, not increase it.
The high prices today are a result of various factors, one of which is the massive increase in the population, which is why I cannot understand why those at the lower income levels are so pleased that we have been flooded, as it is they who are most affected.
They are now competing with the immigrants for both jobs AND housing. | |
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Joined: 3/3/2006
Msg: 115 | |
| Thatcher
Posted: 5/15/2007 12:59:50 AM | I lived in a council house when i first had my children, i got on the property ladder through the right to buy scheme and i have to say that i was happier/felt safer when i lived on a council estate than where i am now. People were real, looked out for each other and it was a real community, here my neighbours are forever playing a game of " keeping up with the jonses" and most ( not all but most) put there faith and dreams in materialistic wealth, it means nothing though!
Its the people who make a difference not what they own. | |
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| Thatcher
Posted: 5/15/2007 1:06:56 AM | I owe and apology to some one on this thread, can't remember who though, I read what she had written wrong, my apologies,
As for council housing, my mum and dad bought their house when I was 8, they bought it for £28,000, then due to personal reasons the house was sold 8 years later for £63,000, and my mum sister and I moved to London to live with my granddad in his housing association house. In saying that, 15 years ago I would have been 17 and even then I wouldn't have been able to afford a mortgage at the prices the properties were. Now there is not a hope. Unless I meet someone who is minted, and then through my own morals I couldn't get with someone who had that amount of money. It wouldn't be fair.
some on here have gone on about the part buy part rent, having already inquired into that I was told I have to raise 70% of the mortgage price, so not only would I be paying a full Mortgage I would be paying full rent, and my sisters best friend said she was paying at least £400 more out every month.
There is a housing crises in this country, some would deny it, but I have seen how those coming in from over seas take priority social housing, where I used to live there was a new housing association estate built and every single one of the houses was filled with people claiming asylum, the woman 3 doors down from my mum is in a four bedroom housing association house and is in the country on a visa, a friend in west London is in a two bedroom private rent and has been bidding for five years, and she is getting nowhere, she watches as immigrants and asylum seekers come in and get put straight to the front of the list.
It's okay if you can afford your own house I don't have a problem with that, I can't nor will I ever be able to, but that doesn't make me any less than you, my mum is a G band nurse, she can't afford a mortgage, the house prices where I am now have risen quite a lot. I think to judge someone for living in social housing is narrow minded and judgmental, | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 1:26:21 AM | I grew up in a house my parents owned , now I live in a council house and have done for years. My children are well behaved , my eldest has a double dregree in english literature and american studies and is training to be a dance teacher as well as holding down a very good job, my middle one is studying for her A levels , which she will do next year and my youngest is 14 , has already been predicted the top marks in his GSCE's ... they dont roam the streets and they dont cause trouble.
I do wish people wouldnt assume that all council house kids are troublemakers , I know some are but so are children from private houses.
when my children were at junior school , the school bully lived in one of the largest houses in the village and her parents were very well off.
She is now in prison cos she assaulted a police officer when he tried to arrest her for drug dealing.
Its not always the poor kids who cause havoc ,, but it seems they always take the blame | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 1:55:15 AM |
Oh where to start... I have started this as on another thread which I am sure you are aware of this is being brought up into a completely different subject.... I myself have never lived on a council estate,SO WHAT,that makes me no different to anyone else....why do some people assume because you are from a council estate that your a bad person?
Because some are blinkered to the fact there is good and bad in all walks and areas of life.
why just because you own your own home are you better than anyone else?
I live in a council property and have done ever since I took my turn as it was years ago to wait on the list. I was in no position then, to buy my own property. When I was in the position to I chose NOT to,did not want the responsiblity of the mortage .My sister lived in council flat but now owns her own business ,house and lives on Blackheath.We both grew up on council estates but our paths took us in different directions. She does not look down on anybody. My niece attends private school but my nephew attends the local comprehensive where my children could have gone to.We are still family and none is better than the other.
yes there are some rough people about,why do people assume they are from a council estate? I have a very rich spoilt friend who lives in luxury because her parents pay for everything she desires,she looks down at people and thinks she is better than anyone else.... I would date a person from a council estate any day over someone like that
Because a lot of them of them are.Not because they are bad people.Not everyone is prim and proper ,some are rough diamonds.
so my question....do you assume people living on council estates are less of a person and prone to cause more trouble than people who own their own houses?
Money does not make the personality of the the person you are and I believe that if people are going to cause trouble they will do it where ever they live whether it be owned,privately rented or council.
Now as far as being less of a person because I live on a council estate ,no I do not think that is true.I am me.I am happy being me and happy where I live!
Most people who live on council estates are good ,law abiding citizens and it is the ones who arn't that spoil it for the rest. | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 3:33:58 AM | OK lets call it by its proper name, Social Housing.
I grew up in Social Housing then when I joined up, I lived if forces housing. Then I bought a house, now I own several.
Firstly Social Housing is subsidised housing, its original purpose was to give the POOR decent housing to sweep away slums and by raising standards of housing hopefully raise the level of aspiration of a sub class, and it always was a sub class of itinerate workers. It worked to an extent but the sad thing is, you can take the man out of the slum but sometimes not the slum out of the man!
Social Housing is a form of charity, I guess if you are happy to live out your days living on handouts then its fine, personally I could think of nothing worse for my self esteem. To be proud of living in Social Housing is to be proud of being an under achiever. Sure not all people will have the intelligence or work ethic to drag themselves out of the charity sector, but for most the need for Social Housing should be a temporary one, the aspiration should always be to move on from it.
I guess it goes back to the entitlement society which we now live in, benefits and state sponsored charity are no longer seen as a stigma, they are seen as an entitlement simply by being born in the UK, no need to contribute or show gratitude.
SO do I look down on people in Social Housing, yes is the simple answer, they are benefiting from my hard work and success whilst not contributing to make life easier for me. I believe Social Housing should be means tested every year, that as families shrink the larger housing should be taken and smaller housing given. SO that will make me Mr popular. | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 7:21:19 AM | MSG 119,
If you did your homework, you would see that councils do offer people money to move to smaller accomodation as the famly gets smaller, ie children move on.
I am in a council retirement bungalow, and I resent your implications. For your information I am proud of my rented bungalow and have put a lot into it. I too worked hard all my life yes I bought property, and through no fault of my own I had it taken away because of divorce laws. This happens a lot especially to the male in a divorce. ( not all ) I am not knocking the female population either, it is the way it is. Around me there are a lot of respectable retired people who have worked hard all there lives too,
some here because of health and others to downsize, but "ALL !" respectable people.
Dont you dare look down on these people, some of them including myself have worn the uniform of this country and fought for it also. "What have you done"? They and I have paid our contributions.
Close by there are council houses and the majority of the people are hard workers, I can not speak for all as indeed neither can you. There are some that are known as rough diamonds, and in a crisis guess who I would have by my side. Them in a Flash they are the salt of the earth, and I would not have to ask them they would do it because they are good human beings.
Now I also accept that there are bad people around, druggies etc. ok maybe you think they do not live in big houses. You would be wrong, and then think about the drug barons, I can tell you of two who I know of that where arrested and imprisoned. Want to take a guess where they lived? One lost his possesions that added to the value of over two million GB pounds. That is all they recovered. Security Consultant, I did not know they had mothercare in Texas. | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 7:23:56 AM | Crime infested ratholes , full of criminals, gangsters,drug dealers and pervs
You do get em on council estates aswell though.....................  | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 8:11:44 AM | Lovejoy
I have done my homework, why should someone that lives on a handout be entitled to more of a handout to downscale, when what they are getting is already subsidised, so if you get charity then if you are to get less you should be given more NONSENSE
Through no fault of your own, that sums it up really, so its my fault then thats why I have to pay for it?
I have no truck with the poor being housed at my expense, I am a generous sole!
I wore the uniform for 16 years, during which time I fought for the UK and our interests both at home and abroad, had I continued to my full term, which due to being shot I was unable to do, I would have rightly expected to be housed at the expense of the people whom I had protected.
I am very much a rough diamond mate, but made good LOL
Who pays for social housing? | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 8:45:58 AM | Msg 122
I will not be drawn into an argument with you. I never said it was your fault re. my divorce. you manipulate words to suit yourself, and you certainly did not pay for it.
You do have truck with the so called poor being housed at your so called expense. It shows greatly in your posts.
The people are offered moving expenses to move into smaller property. If you had done your homework you would have found that out. It makes sense in order that a family can be housed.
In your own words this is none of your truck, you do not live in the UK now so you do not pay for it.
You appear to think that all council tenants are idle and do not go to work, you are so very wrong. We have all said there are "Some" but you wish to believe "ALL"
Five years ago I was making good too in California, then overnight it all went wrong and I was left with nothing. "There but for the grace of god my friend."
I categorically state that all council tennants are "NOT" bad idle people. One does not have to be poor to get a council home. My neighbours are not poor, and I am not poor either. You see I made good of a very bad situation. I did not lay down and give up I had a little help from good human beings and have made it again. Now should you feel you are a good person and wish to pay for my utilities I will be greatful. lol
What is that good old American saying? "what goes around comes around" and the other "Pay Backs a Biatch"
Thanks for your help Bud.
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 9:14:38 AM | My parents lived in council houses all their lives - because they thought debt (a mortgage) was bad.. (a consequence of being born working class in the 1910s).
My first flat was a private rent in Jesmond, Newcastle. When I got married I lived in a rented council house. Then I bought a house. Then I sold the house and now rent a council house. But I've always been me.... rent, buy, doesn't change who I am. Wherever I've lived I've tried to make it a comfortable, happy home..... regardless.
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 11:23:22 AM | No two council estates are created equal. I lived on one when I was younger, and there was never any trouble, and people knew each other, and certainly all the kids knew each other. You darent do anything, cos if anyone spotted you, they'd be straight over to your house to tell your parentswhat you'ld been up to
Really depends on where it is and the nature of the people. You cant generalise, there are good people and bad people, and the same applies to council estates. As everywhere, it tends to be a small minority spoiling it for the rest. | |
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 5/15/2007 11:38:11 AM | private houses are where the beautiful people live....yaaah, you know it makes sense!!
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| council estate v home owners
Posted: 7/23/2009 4:42:03 AM |
council estate v home owners
What about the forgotten group inbetween? i.e those who can't afford their own home but because they are responsible and don't have kids they can't afford to support, stand no chance of getting a council house? | |
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