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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 126 | |
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Posted: 5/25/2007 6:32:01 PM |
All I can say is thank God I am living in an age when I can have my beliefs without being slaughered as a heretic.. For THAT would make me fear.. NOT the loving God I believe in
You can thank that due to the advancement of rational reasoning. If not, you would probably be a main course at my yearly ho-down. BTW, how many lunchmeats could we carve from one of your theighs???
I'm such a dirty bugger !!!!
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Posted: 5/25/2007 6:42:19 PM | statueman
I love it when guys can't help themselves. I'm not going through your post, you'll be happy to know. What I have read makes it obvious you are well enough read to know what you're talking about. Knowledge is the fruit of life I think and yours is fruitful. But it all comes down to words on paper you either believe or not. I'm thankful for your continued interest in this thread. I know this is a little off topic, but your new thread sounds great.
Cheers! | |
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Posted: 5/25/2007 6:44:26 PM |
how many lunchmeats could we carve from one of your theighs???
You won't hear me moo.. and I have no herd mentality, so precisely none ;)
You can thank that due to the advancement of rational reasoning. If not, you would probably be a main course at my yearly ho-down
So rational reasoning should be my God?? Lol..
I see your point in part Mak68.. hope I didn't deprive you of the argument you may have been hoping for ;)
Your yearly ho-down? Sounds downright rednecked, lol.. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2007 6:50:29 PM | Hi sassy!
<div class="quote">Some Sufi's are so non-violent they only wear a loin cloth and carry a feather duster around so that they do not squish any bugs.. that is how much they revere life. They don't just say it.. they LIVE it..
What are Surfi's... are they ladies or gentlemen (no... [cringe]... I don't want to think about gentlemen only in a loin cloth) ? 
<div class="quote">All I can say is thank God I am living in an age when I can have my beliefs without being slaughered as a heretic.. For THAT would make me fear.. NOT the loving God I believe in
ditto here hon!
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Posted: 5/25/2007 6:55:50 PM | If you cant answer on a serious and honest level, then just don't bother.
I always answer seriously and honestly. Do I appear to be playing around or lying?
If there is any deception in my answers than it is from error in comprehension of my Bible.
yet to still explain how someone, saved by grace of faith, therefore assured a place in heaven, can get into heaven if committed the unforgivable sin
True. I also did address the issue, asking for time to research.
~On that note, I did and found a couple of different views held by a variation of "Christians" but in honesty did not find them convincing. ~So much for me being brainwashed.
1 view held was that that was unpardonable sin only when Christ was in a flesh form on Earth.
All I can say is what I know form my personal walk w/Him.
I have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit. I never will. I lead toward believing that if I cannot/will not than other believers will do the same. Im sure that you will not be satisfied with that answer, and I am disappointed in myself for not being able to have something for you more concrete. But I will continue to try and find more answers and ask God to lead me in Bible study to learn more.
Then I guess its O.K for you to go ahead and commit them
Well, yes I could. But I never do so with a conscience thought that if I do, its all good.
There are always consequences for my actions. If I rob a bank or stab someone, I will go to jail. He will not save me from that. If I begin to take drugs, I may overdose and die. Those however, are not the primary reason that I do not sin, "on purpose"
I strive to please and obey Him out of love.
However, any consequences for my sin will be paid here. Jesus died so that I can live in Heaven. If I could live "good enough" to work my way into heaven, why would He have to die? ~It is unreasonable to believe that after one is saved that they automatically become perfect. God works in our lives, making us more like Him, one day at a time, and only as we allow Him to.
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How you get that I believe that God is only good if He is good to me from that post of mine is so totally beyond my comprehension that I really don't know what to say. | |
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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 131 | |
| Fear of God
Posted: 5/25/2007 6:57:34 PM |
You won't hear me moo.. and I have no herd mentality, so precisely none ;)
So all that means is that we will dine on your wonderful cuts, without your complaints, well, GREAT !!!. If you choose to complain, well then... perhaps we can move onto the more juicy and tender portions..... | |
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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 132 | |
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Posted: 5/25/2007 7:02:35 PM | Heh, sorry Sassy.
The above was only in jest.\Honestly, I do not regard you as some kind of peice of meat.
I realize you have more brains than that.
But NOT more brains than me .... muwhahahahahahha | |
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Posted: 5/25/2007 7:06:55 PM | Hi Skypoetone :)
What are Surfi's... are they ladies or gentlemen
It has been a while since I have looked into the eastern religions.. I thought it was sufism, but actually the religion is Jainism. They wish to attain self-perfection by the gradual abandonment of the material world. It also includes an extreme form of non-violence.. some are called "skyclad monks" because they are completely naked in order to be free of possessions and also so that they do not harm any living thing.
Yes.. they are only male.. that is another thing I don't understand, patriarchy.. but that is a whole other topic.. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2007 7:13:57 PM |
So all that means is that we will dine on your wonderful cuts, without your complaints, well, GREAT !!!. If you choose to complain, well then... perhaps we can move onto the more juicy and tender portions.....
You're scaring me... lol
I realize you have more brains than that.
But NOT more brains than me .... muwhahahahahahha
I hadn't realized it was a contest... | |
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mak68
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Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 135 | |
| Fear of God
Posted: 5/25/2007 7:18:20 PM |
If you cant answer on a serious and honest level, then just don't bother.
I always answer seriously and honestly. Do I appear to be playing around lying?
You ARE avoiding pertinent questions that may hold your faith in question.
yet to still explain how someone, saved by grace of faith, therefore assured a place in heaven, can get into heaven if committed the unforgivable sin True. I also did address the issue, asking for time to research. ~On that note, I did and found a couple of different views held by a variation of "Christians" but in honesty did not find them convincing. ~So much for me being brainwashed.
But I put it to you that you ARE brainwashed. Any act in the bible performed by "the" god is good. If you want to prove me wrong, then explain how one of god's actions is NOT good.
In reflection amaretto, I only can surmise that you believe blindly, hoping that some kind of god or intervention will lead you to more "greater" things.... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 5:34:27 AM | Hey Sassy,
It has been a while since I have looked into the eastern religions.. I thought it was sufism, but actually the religion is Jainism. They wish to attain self-perfection by the gradual abandonment of the material world. It also includes an extreme form of non-violence.. some are called "skyclad monks" because they are completely naked in order to be free of possessions and also so that they do not harm any living thing.
I like the "extreme non-violence" mode, but totally nude male only monks?
Yes.. they are only male.. that is another thing I don't understand, patriarchy.. but that is a whole other topic...
Yeah... let's her it for the ladies too. lol | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 5:36:04 AM | Hey Sassy,
It has been a while since I have looked into the eastern religions.. I thought it was sufism, but actually the religion is Jainism. They wish to attain self-perfection by the gradual abandonment of the material world. It also includes an extreme form of non-violence.. some are called "skyclad monks" because they are completely naked in order to be free of possessions and also so that they do not harm any living thing.
I like the "extreme non-violence" mode, but totally nude male only monks?
Yes.. they are only male.. that is another thing I don't understand, patriarchy.. but that is a whole other topic...
Yeah... let's her it for the ladies too. lol | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 6:43:10 AM | You ARE avoided pertinent questions that may hold your faith in question
I have not.
If Ive failed to answer any of your questions it is because Ive either not understood the format of the question, missed the question, or saw the question as a accusation and not a true question.
I put it to you that you ARE brainwashed
Im sorry you feel that way
explain how one of god's actions is NOT good.
I cannot. All of His ways are perfect<----Just another example of how I might not be able to answer a question.
I can only surmise that you believe blindly, hoping that some kind of god or intervention will lead you to more 'greater' things....
believe blindly? I did at one time, yes.
It is no longer blind for He has shown Himself mightily in my life.
As for hoping for some kind of god~ I am not looking for a god. I have One. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 3:32:59 PM | Let's look at an example of evasion, then. Shall we?
All of His ways are perfect
Ok. If that's true, why then would He order the slaughter of Jericho, or the Midianites? Why slaughter the egyptian sons?
God created everything. Nothing now exists that God did not make.
Evil exists.
If everything that exists was created by God, and evil exists, that means God created it. Why?
*waits*
I can't wait to see the answers. Or, rather, the techniques used to avoid answering. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 5:02:31 PM | To clear up a little confusion here, Sufis are followers of Islam we seldom hear about.
www.religioustolerance.org
Sufism is a mystic tradition in which followers seek inner knowledge directly from God through meditation and ritual and dancing. They developed late in the 10th century CE as an ascetic reaction to the formalism and laws of the Qur'an. There are Sufis from both the Sunni and the Shi'ite groups. However, some Sunni followers do not consider Sufiism as a valid Islamic practice. They incorporated ideas from Neoplatonism, Buddhism, and Christianity. They emphasize personal union with the divine. In the Middle East, some Sufi traditions are considered to be a separate school of Islam. In North and sub-Saharan Africa, Sufism is more a style and an approach rather than a separate school.
Sufis are peaceful and non-violent. They have both male and female teachers--I do not know that you would call them monks, though. If you ever get a chance to go and see (or even better, participate in) a Sufi dance, do so. It is incredible. There are Sufis worldwide.
As to Jainism, it is more closely related to Buddhism and Hinduism, kind of a blending of the two. It dates to approximately 3000 BCE. It has two schools: Digambaras, literally "sky clad" or naked, which is the more ascetic of the two, and Shvetambaras, literally "white clad." This refers to monks. Laity can wear any color. As sassyaquarius noted, they are extremely non-violent. More can be found at religoustolerance.org and other web sites. Very few Jainists are found outside of India. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 6:08:47 PM | PaganGoddess77
To clear up a little confusion here, Sufis are followers of Islam we seldom hear about.
I took the time to Goole in order to familiarize myself with this. It's interesting, but I'd like to hear what you have to say with regard to the topic of the thread... :0) | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 6:52:59 PM | I can't wait to see the answers.
I cant help myself, hare, I kinda like you. You are the only poster to make me step back from my monitor and have to think....Well, enough of that, wouldnt want you to be offended by my "coddling" LOL
Question 1)
why then would He order the slaughter of Jericho, or the Midianites?
God is a God of justice. When He takes back a life that He has given, it is just.
If a man rapes and "murders" a 9 years old child then I think it just to "murder him." What says you?
God, when taking life, by the way, does NOT commit murder.
When a human takes another humans life, THAT is murder.
Question 2)
That means God created it. Why?
God created man. Man is perfect.
Much like Smith and Wesson created a pistol, a pistol is perfect.
It carries out its job perfectly and in the right hands, can protect livestock from predators, the elderly and women from human predators and also be used for defending ones home or country.
Nothing evil (in its self) was made by the hands of ol' Smith. HOWEVER, a bad man can use that for evil. Smith and Wesson didn't create that evil. That evil was created by something else, distorting the pure purpose of a what was created. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2007 7:08:18 PM |
If everything that exists was created by God, and evil exists, that means God created it. Why?
I don't know.. I've never asked, have you? lol..
We cannot know the motivation of our neighbor, let alone God..
Why do I exist? Why did God create evil? Why is there suffering.. ? Essentially we will never have these answers.. some people seek the answers in religion, some think they already have the answers, some search on their own.. and still others just go on with life and do not seek the answers at all ..
The choice is yours/ours/theirs.. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 12:57:27 AM | Honestly, I don't think God would have "decided" to create anything anymore than a baby chick "decides" to break it's egg... Or any baby for that matter "decides" to breathe... "To be or not to be?"...
Again, this is all just my opinion but if a creator god creates one thing, it stands to reason it would eventually create everything... For good or ill... All would exist at one time or another(presuming this god is timeless)including people who would cause death in the name of life... These people go against the natural flow, but are an integral part of understanding how the practice of war and hate will never result in love and understanding which is the only way to conquer fear of anything.
Sorry, I'm tired... G'night all! | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 5:34:55 AM | To the vast majority of humankind the Al Kieda network is a political inhuman breed; they use inhumane methods of killing, i.e. indiscriminately and on mass.
If (as the bible would have you believe) we were made in the likeness of god, why does god then use the same methods of killing?
Why shouldn’t the deplorable acts of infanticide, genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. by ‘god’, be seen just the same?
Does this set the right example to humankind? I think not. Surely the best way to deal with evil (an evil that was created by allowing evil to exist) would have been to remove that evil in the first instant.
This is why I decline to consider the biblical god as anything more than a fallacy and a perpetration by those best advantaged for its existence. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 8:54:54 AM | salvation and not corruption of god's means to ultimately overcome the corruptions source and action and catalysts, such as fornication, necromancing and idolatry... was needed in loving mankind. Even armies were opposed to Israel, that means, and so war with vigour was definetly neccesary. And they were given a chance to repent and serve god, and warning, and had been given centuries of measures of blessings and opportunities to repent, like Ninevah in Jonah, but refused and of the limited grace there was none left, then came judgement. Rahab accepted blood sacrifice and survived Israel.
Israel surely were a hard hearted and sinful people, Moses and Yah still would not allow tithing theft, fornication... among them, or they'd experience god's wrath and die. If they all died, there would be no means to accomplish victory over sin and death. All would die, Satan would win, trying to prove god is a liar. Promise to man unfulfilled, no paradise, a cursed world forever. Maybe Lucifer kills god... gets back a body...
So presumed sex slavery and rape are unacceptable by Number's standard. They either grew up as subservient women and would not be taken or chose to accept. Ancient women sorrowfully were subservient, like Esther, Ruth, but who showed and experienced kindness. David's wives of many years who submitted on the roof top before Israel to Absalom. Mary who at sixteen married Joseph of maybe thirty. They were simple and hard hearted people who were given something of a standard of justice and kindness. Isaiah 54:16. By choosing from many options of angels to create, Elohim chose a set with Lucifer in them. Surely the least effective evil, all foreknown and all reactions and angel's debates and struggles foreknown and chosen well for the task. Also the fall of Adam, known. The victory, clearest and swiftest... So Elohim in Jesus is master of darkness by being creator, yet not effector of falling, foreknowing and planning to put even evil to use in perfect justice and showing mercy, devising grace for man.
Man had little grace in the OT and in the new, much more and god expresses much more love and openness...
Ruth was I think a remnant of the tribe that tricked Israel into a pact and survived invasion. Being then put to work.
Ruth was David's ancestor. So Mary's too.
Very young women, and children are likely to agree with captors as they grow up, like a three year old who is raised in a Benjaminite's family. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 4:21:22 PM | Within all of us are the atoms formed when the universe came into being. We are on a third generation star, also formed from the first stars that formed, shone and died spreading their atoms all 'round the universe. My question/comment is thus: we look into a darkened mirror, all is not revealed. Wait! There's something there, we look intently, look again..............................................the reflection is ......us.
All these millenia from the first pondering, to the present loss of hope when all of us were looking for "God", we should have looked in the mirror?
I do not fear one who would create then forbid questions.
I do not fear one who would create then leave the creation in a state of misery
I do not fear one who would say "I am mystery" and expect no inquiries. Why gift a creation with intellect, curiosity then forbid their use? I do not fear God, but I do fear religion. Aaaand if I am wrong and religion is right, I then face eternity with the one attribute that will make it all worthwhile.................dignity | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 5:08:51 PM | | Thanks skypoet, to me this represents a new take on democracy/equality, no? | |
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Posted: 5/27/2007 5:17:31 PM |
Thanks skypoet, to me this represents a new take on democracy/equality, no?
Yes indeed!
Ha, I'm still contemplating what you're so eloquently stated. I'll let it brew with me a while. There's a lot to be said for the melting pot.
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