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| Fear of God
Posted: 5/28/2007 3:12:13 AM |
Within all of us are the atoms formed when the universe came into being. We are on a third generation star, also formed from the first stars that formed, shone and died spreading their atoms all 'round the universe. My question/comment is thus: we look into a darkened mirror, all is not revealed. Wait! There's something there, we look intently, look again..............................................the reflection is ......us.
Yup... I believe that's it Bro... If you look back far enough, you'll see we have a common ancestor with the trees... Everything is made of the same stuff... | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 9:02:39 AM | 1 Kings 19:11-13.
The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by."
Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earth-quake, but the LORD was not in the earth-quake. After the earth-quake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.
Then a voice said to him, "What are you doing here, Elijah?" | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 9:18:16 AM | I do not fear one who would create then forbid questions.
I do not fear one who would create then leave the creation in a state of misery
I do not fear one who would say "I am mystery" and expect no inquiries. Why gift a creation with intellect, curiosity then forbid their use? I do not fear God, but I do fear religion. Aaaand if I am wrong and religion is right, I then face eternity with the one attribute that will make it all worthwhile.................dignity
Regularguy, I agree with you 100%! I wouldn't worship a god that was like that either, and I would go into eternity feeling justified even if it were in eternal hell...
Fear him? Most likely I would. That god sounds like a bad apple... | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 12:35:37 PM | | Matt, I think Regular guy was speaking for almost all of the religious organizations I've ever come in contact with; that we should fear God. The alternative being eternal damnation. Just goes to show how many of them have it wrong. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 2:01:14 PM | Many say they would rather be spiritual over religious. It is challenging to listen to the still small voice, and to hear and trust god, but if you do, you look religious, having a devotional holiday. Religion being, effort on one's own strength to please a god, then what can he do for you and your questions? Or listen seek his spirit, others who know him and listen... spiritual. Ask to drink living water like the woman at the well, the bible is full of god being with and talking with and empowering men and women, religion isn't all wrong, but it is sometimes about inventing god and laws and answers. Trying to please a god, sometimes involving bathing in ice water, flaggelation, long prayers...
I agree with pilgrimage and fasting and prayer and bible read and drinking living water, seeking god's face, listening to those who have...
Drinking god's spirit for refreshment after five husband's means the reverence due is possible, Jesus accepted her.
Imagine sitting on grandad's knee in the garage with a hammer nearby, at five, it is a little awesome, gotta respect him, terror is altogether different. We learn respect, awe, reverence, Is 11:2. It is power given too. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 2:08:38 PM | "Many say they would rather be spiritual over religious. It is challenging to listen to the still small voice, and to hear and trust god, but if you do, you look religious, having a devotional holiday. Religion being, effort on one's own strength to please a god, then what can he do for you and your questions? Or listen seek his spirit, others who know him and listen... spiritual. Ask to drink living water like the woman at the well, the bible is full of god being with and talking with and empowering men and women, religion isn't all wrong, but it is sometimes about inventing god and laws and answers. Trying to please a god, sometimes involving bathing in ice water, flaggelation, long prayers...
I agree with pilgrimage and fasting and prayer and bible read and drinking living water, seeking god's face, listening to those who have...
Drinking god's spirit for refreshment after five husband's means the reverence due is possible, Jesus accepted her.
Imagine sitting on grandad's knee in the garage with a hammer nearby, at five, it is a little awesome, gotta respect him, terror is altogether different. We learn respect, awe, reverence, Is 11:2. It is power given too."
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| Fear of God
Posted: 5/28/2007 2:16:28 PM |
Imagine sitting on grandad's knee in the garage with a hammer nearby, at five, it is a little awesome, gotta respect him, terror is altogether different. We learn respect, awe, reverence, Is 11:2. It is power given too.
Does this mean I should shut up, or I'll get hammered?
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Posted: 5/28/2007 2:54:45 PM | Guess I'm getting hammered, 'cause I ain't going to shut up til I get reasonable answers ..................just a regularguy asking. I will NOT go into the long night quietly, but rather...............................................questioning | |
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Posted: 5/28/2007 8:24:10 PM | Drinking living water, looking for the spirit of god and drinking living water, ie his presence into the heart, a life concept, ie water, and refreshing, with promise of power... It is spiritual.
Religion is physical, effortful, mental, sometimes painful... not all religion is.
Man made gods and answers to life's questions. Better than to be a person after such thought, is to look for revelation in god's spirit and word.
Revering god is like not being overfamiliar or foolish, in the presence and friendship of a sort, as had with your grandad and is respect not terror. Content awe, and stories of long ago...
Jesus spoke with a woman at a well, a life concept, life needs water, and she respected him and he gave her living water, which is god's spirit to refresh and liven her heart in fellowship with god. Her heart lives.
People today find living water in church and at Taize, in gregorian chants together. In the laying on of hands of elders in faith.
Christians are spiritual when they recieve the holy spirit instead of just reading the bible and singing and doing charity... quiet time spent seeking god's presence as well and prayer... Asking "come holy spirit"... and the laying on of hands, receiving knowledge... altogether it's is spiritual, seems religious.
Buddhists may bathe in ice water at dawn for discipline, Vatican 1 monks would beat themselves, but it was no spiritual gain.
It is the heart of the human spirit, not the body that really matters, good works a common goal, but spiritual ones are after goodness and love in the heart, with discerment and such... | |
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| Fear of God
Posted: 5/28/2007 8:38:39 PM |
Revering god is like not being overfamiliar or foolish in the presence and friendship of a sort as had with your grandad and is respect not terror.
This makes me think of a question I'd like answered if anyone has the time... Isn't it God's wrath that we're supposed to fear? How is that akin to respect? I never feared my grandads wrath!
Buddhists may bathe in ice water at dawn for discipline, Vatican 1 monks would beat themselves, but it was no spiritual gain.
To a Buddhist any gain is a spiritual one... Vatican 1 monks, I have no idea about, but I'm willing to bet that if they beat themselves, it had to do with spirituality or religion... I doubt it was just a "fad" lol... | |
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Posted: 5/29/2007 8:09:58 AM |
This makes me think of a question I'd like answered if anyone has the time... Isn't it God's wrath that we're supposed to fear? How is that akin to respect? I never feared my grandads wrath!
Maybe the wrathul God could use some anger management. Strange that, since if one knew it was going to be angery it could not have mastered it in advance... don't you think?
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Posted: 5/29/2007 3:06:03 PM | | Since this IS a dating site, more than a religious site, I'll say this: I always look for a level spiritual understanding in profiles. I don't care if they use the term "god", or "big fluffy thing in the sky", "beautiful day", or just a slightly old-fashioned expression of deep joy, like "wonderful" -- that's all good. I'm pretty open-minded about how people can be spiritual and further, how they can express that. I consider myself very spiritual, and would love a partner to see that spirituality in me. BUT, anytime I see saying they want a partner who is "god-fearing", I just move on, right then. How can you be afraid of the very ocean of strength and wisdom that sustains you? I have to conclude that these people just don't get it, and are repeating something they've heard in their environment. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2007 3:48:49 PM |
How can you be afraid of the very ocean of strength and wisdom that sustains you?
Beautifully said.
I am no closer to the source than WE think,
I am no further than tomorrow knows. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2007 11:33:30 PM | That great ocean of strength and wisdom cannot tolerate sin in his presence, ie, murder... David commited adultery and murder, he survived on earth, but was brought to repent from sin, change his heart and will... make a blood sacrifice...
David suffered tough discipline, walking into the shadow he caused, even as requested concerning wicked people, in his own psalms, David was caught in his own snare.
God is just, his nature is such that he cannot but express himself, he can't act or lie. He is the truth. It is Lucifer's brilliance that makes it come to wrath and to the extent it does.
His anger is brief, expressed for seven years of judgement after all mercy and grace has been shown and opportunity taken and rejected. Then he judges and finds some are fathered by the father of all murderers and adulterers... thieves, blasphemers, liars... like Lucifer they will not remain in his presence, cast away. Not his. The destructive ones are not his. He shows mercy even then. But vents his anger.
I am sure there are grandfathers who in case of really wicked behaviour who are angry a lot. Also god is like a father and these ones he expresses anger towards are not his, but are after Lucifer, who is fallen, Satan, and are mastered unrepentant by uncleanness. They are in different ways destructive of life and love and honour, sanctity... Jesus offers free grace and salvation from such mastery, and more than adoption into his family. Even glory on judgement day. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2007 7:07:22 AM | Csonka
I appreciated everyone's response to the topic, but could you gear yours to those already posted and refrain from waffling on like a monk on something other than tea and biscuits? lol | |
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Posted: 5/30/2007 8:16:42 AM | K... I was just about to get my day started and just hadda look here didn't I? Oh well, I'm off work today(the paying kind leastways) So I just have to put in my 2 cents... It may not be worth the copper, but I am addicted to sharing my views...
That great ocean of strength and wisdom cannot tolerate sin in his presence, ie, murder
If this is true you just proved your god doesn't exist... The great ocean of strength and wisdom cannot tolerate sin? I love paradox, but that my friend is an oxymoron... And if he can't tolerate sin in his presence, he was never anywhere near us if in fact we are born in sin... For that matter, he wouldn't be able to tolerate himself...
God is just, his nature is such that he cannot but express himself
That sounds about right...
he can't act or lie.
I can see the lie part, but the act? How can the god of creation not be able to act?
His anger is brief, expressed for seven years of judgement after all mercy and grace has been shown and opportunity taken and rejected. Then he judges and finds some are fathered by the father of all murderers and adulterers... thieves, blasphemers, liars... like Lucifer they will not remain in his presence, cast away. Not his. The destructive ones are not his. He shows mercy even then. But vents his anger.
Ok, well I'm not sure which god you're talking about now, but it doesn't really matter... How is mercy shown by venting anger and casting someone out to face endless pain?
Didn't your god create everyone? How are the destructive ones not his? And if he's everywhere, how exactly does the ACT of casting them out of his presence work?
Jesus offers free grace and salvation from such mastery, and more than adoption into his family. Even glory on judgement day.
We are all the children of life... Jesus (supposedly) walked among us in life... He has no choice as to whether he is in my family(IMO)...
Glory on judgement day... Ahh yes... The glory of seeing our brothers and sisters cast into fire...  | |
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Posted: 5/30/2007 9:47:00 PM | how can anyone fear an invisible superbeing that cant even stop his own people from from killing each other?
i mean come on if i were god, and my followers said they loved me, then they go out and kill in my name, i would be a tad bit upset and set the record straight.
thats why i find it difficult to belive in super god | |
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| Fear of God
Posted: 5/30/2007 11:24:13 PM | If a man rapes and "murders" a 9 years old child then I think it just to "murder him." What says you?
So what did all those egyptian first borns do to warrant being killed? They didn't kill anyone. In fact, no egyptian killed ANY jew in the exodus account. According to your above statement, god is unjust then. He kills egyptians when no egyptian has killed any of his chosen people.
God, when taking life, by the way, does NOT commit murder.
When a human takes another humans life, THAT is murder.
Again, the brainwashed lets god off on a technicality.
God created man. Man is perfect.
At this point, I'm of the opinion you have no idea what you're talking about.
Man is perfect?? As compared to what ??? According to your OWN bible, THE word of god, man is born with original sin. So which is it? Sinner or perfect??
Much like Smith and Wesson created a pistol, a pistol is perfect.
A pistol is designed and made for ONE thing, to kill. If it can be used to kill in an evil way, then it is a tool of evil, it is not "perfect". The pistol is merely an object, that is all. You are trying to apply a human conceived characteristic to an innate object, it doesn't work.
Nothing evil (in its self) was made by the hands of ol' Smith. HOWEVER, a bad man can use that for evil. Smith and Wesson didn't create that evil.
No, but they provided the means, the tool, for that evil to be committed, as the pistol was INTENDED. I could say that a baseball bat can also be used to kill somebody, except that where it differs from a pistol, is that a baseball bat's intended purpose is to hit a ball. A pistol's intended purpose is to kill life.
So you still haven't answered my question about blaspheming the holy spirit, an unforgivable sin, and having your place in heaven assured through grace of faith. If one has previously blasphemed the holy spirit, but is still assured heaven via grace by faith, how does he/she get into heaven?? | |
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Posted: 5/31/2007 8:56:30 AM | God offers a time of grace in his presence, then repentance from injustices and salvation or creatures are cast away because they are unacceptable want to harm god or even just one person. Satan was cast down from God's thick presence. Later Hell.
It is the ultimate place of god's absence, eyes closed, separation from god, yet even there, he has made a way through, death to life, as in Jonah, the sea depths parallel.
Acting means pretending.
God can justly give or take life, it is his, he is the author. It is not sin if he takes life. He does not murder and condemn, no hate.
God's thick presence is more strict on sin. More refreshing too.
Venting anger and showing mercy are different actions, some who say, show mercy can be shown mercy, not anger.
God created Lucifer, but he was not worthy of being called god's as he re-invented himself a murderer, or as written, was a liar from the beginning. Free will, he never chose god back.
He cast Satan away from his immediate and central and thick presence.
Yes Jesus is Adamic, he will not cast a kindred spirit into the place of unclean mastery. He gave us the cross, Michael, guardian angels, mansions, the NT, consciences, grace... he will do anything to save. Understanding it looks pathetic that Adam gave his dominion to Satan and for a time he is god of the earth. Having a thrilling succesful time as death and sin reigns too much. I am a victim too. But I also met Jesus... 100s of millions have. Important to humble oneself and change one's mind about harming people and call on Jesus for life.
A person who has Christ in his heart is far from rejecting god's presence, and grace entirely. When all 'apprehender powers' of god are rejected, there is no more but one's own strength and justice, so no return, repentance, then condemnation. I can't explain the idea of a christian being lost. I suppose even now, Lucifer is still an anointed cherub. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2007 9:07:34 AM | Thank you, Csonka, for your enlightening words, your time and also for your willingness you continue to glorify God even in hostile ground that our Father has told us we will walk for if they hated and mocked Him, He has assured us that they will hate and mock we who follow Him. Thank you again, brother, and I'll give to honor to God, for God is the Giver of all wisdom.  | |
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Posted: 5/31/2007 9:49:08 AM | I see the wall is high, thick, and not a bridge in sight. Do the ears hear what they want to hear or do they sound foreign? Why would that be? If the link between the word and its understanding is broken, what does that say to those of us who are impartial? Are we still condemned? Let's suppose the bible is for real, does anyone consider for a moment that reality is all about perception? Real is what it appears to be, but scratch the surface and it’s like everything else, problems that lie within. Should I fear what I do not know?
Some say fear is the key and I'm still learning.
But if at first I don't succeed... I won't try parachuting!
Time to lighten up me thinks.
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Posted: 5/31/2007 10:20:56 AM | Love God, Fear nothing... is my usual reply to this concept. But I'll admit to being a fraidy cat now n' then. Psycologists argue humans enjoy being afraid. lol. Well I like being tickled and tickling, they can keep they're fears most of the time. I suppose fear of the unknown is healthy, especially for the young, and young at heart. Allowing a little spontinaity into our lives is risky.
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Posted: 5/31/2007 3:23:43 PM | Csonka
can justly give or take life, it is his, and he is the author. It is not sin if he takes life. He does not murder and condemn, no hate.
Even an author has responsibilities to his readership. How much more does God have to his?
To sum up, I will not be condemned for something that I am not guilty of, thus I have no fear... it is likened to the man being accused of a theft of which he had no knowledge ... he stands accused in the face of the law, but holds his head high. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 12:58:34 AM | Regarding the 'readership of life' Lucifer was better off without a body for other's sake, and Adam and Eve were denied access to the tree of life or they would and others, continue to be more and more wicked as centuries of life went on. But we can accept 70-120 years can't we. The vine is pruned for fruition of benevolence...
Has someone accused you of theft? There is grace, mercy and repentance, and forgiveness.
Really, who can have eternal life while injuring others, even there is work to do, not Heavenly loafing.
You might need go on pilgrimage to really find grace and be impacted for Jesus. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 5:24:32 AM |
Regarding the 'readership of life' Lucifer was better off without a body for other's sake, and Adam and Eve were denied access to the tree of life or they would and others, continue to be more and more wicked as centuries of life went on. But we can accept 70-120 years can't we. The vine is pruned for fruition of benevolence...
You may call it the 'readership of life' (curiously never heard that one before) or anything else you like. Were the embodiment (or none) of satan comes into the equation I can only hazard a guess but I won't. Again you are off topic. Any wickedness can be counted in the premeditated killings in the bible, wherever and by whomever they were commited. Taking life then spouting benevolence doesn't wash for me.
Has someone accused you of theft?
Funny how others can be taken literally when it suites hu?
You might need go on pilgrimage to really find grace and be impacted for Jesus.
You might need to address my posts accurately instead of spouting rhetoric. | |
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