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Posted: 7/10/2009 1:06:20 AM |
I know you and I have had our moments Gary but really...... Did you really write that?
Yup!
And, as usual, I meant what I wrote.
Black people are racist if they want a child of the same origin???
I didn't actually say or even imply that.
It is quite possible that a black couple wouldn't want a white child for reasons relating to 'it wouldn't look right', or something. The same would apply to a white couple raising a black child. I wouldn't consider that to be 'racist' , merely 'practical'.
The 'racism' aspect would arise if a black couple didn't want to raise a white child purely on the grounds that they don't like white people, and the same would apply with regard to a white couple and a black child.
So, I didn't state that it was 'racist' of either couple not to want a child of differing race to them - I merely stated that it could be seen as being, which isn't the same thing.
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Posted: 7/10/2009 5:41:02 AM | MSG 62
I'm confused...
I'm sorry to note that. Would it help if explained my use of language in the ealier post?
'Smacks' was used in the 3rd person singular way to 'suggest' that something might be present.
OED Smack: (smack of) have a flavour or smell of, suggest the presence or effect of.
It does not, in any way, STATE the presence of 'racism', so it is therefore not accusatory.
I stated, as you correctly quoted:
II don't see the 'reason', actually, and it smacks to me of 'racism' on their part.
It was a reference to the fact that any couple of one race wishing their children (whether adopted or donated) to be of that same race MIGHT have racist reasons for wishing their children to be of their own race.
At no point did I state or imply that black couples are 'racist' (an absolute description) for wanting their children to be black also.
Does that clear your confusion on this matter? | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 7:19:00 AM | I think it's an insane idea. If I were a woman wanting to conceive and raise a child, I would want to know exactly where the genetics were coming from. I believe that children inherit alot from their parents and just because someone may have a clean bill of health it doesn't mean that they don't have undiagnosed mental or emotional problems, or even just horrible character traits that could be passed down to the child.
I mean, before they were caught there is no reason that Peter Sutcliffe, Fred West or Harold Shipman et al wouldn't be allowed to donate, and I just wouldn't want to raise a child not knowing what the father was like as a human being. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 9:51:59 AM | MSG 65
Can you get 'O' levels in backpeddling?
How would I know? I seldom have to revise my opinion on anything.
So, let's look at what caused to mention 'backpeddling'. Apparently, it was my statement:
"Not that they aren't allowed to be 'racist', of course......"
'They' were a hypothetical black couple who were planning on accepting donations in order to have a child. It was suggested by other posters that the couple might not want a white child. In MSG 47 , I suggested that such a decision could have been based on 'racism' on the part of the couple, as I explained at your request in MSG 63.
I also stated that IF that hypothetical couple had indeed objected to having a white child on the grounds of 'race', then I would have no problem to them having an objection on those grounds.
Now, I haven't stated that anyone (real or imagined) is 'racist', so the answer to your question:
Which implies that you think they are?
it depends on what grounds the hypothetical couple give for refusing to 'have' a white child.
Does that clear your confusion on this matter? | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 10:07:23 AM | hahaha i cant believe ive just read all of that... you have too much time on your hands 
In the future I intend to donate some of my eggs, as I've heard there are a shortage of black & mixed race egg donors.
do you not think the person who said that ^^^^ meant that she would like to provide other couples with the opportunity of producing a child that is appropriate to her/their culture? | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 10:57:30 AM |
If I were a woman wanting to conceive and raise a child, I would want to know exactly where the genetics were coming from. I believe that children inherit alot from their parents and just because someone may have a clean bill of health it doesn't mean that they don't have undiagnosed mental or emotional problems, or even just horrible character traits that could be passed down to the child. I think that unless you know the donor personally, the donations are confidential.
I read in the paper the other day that sciencetists have indentified a male GANGSTER gene. People are more likely to be involved in joining a gang or gun culture, based on their DNA.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17337-gangsta-gene-identified-in-us-teens.html | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 11:16:57 AM | MSG 70
Wrong,the other posters were replying to your ridiculous questions: (msg 39)
This comment was made in response to mine:
"It was suggested by other posters that the couple might not want a white child."
Well, let's look at the relevant post, shall we? MSG 33 stated:
In the future I intend to donate some of my eggs, as I've heard there are a shortage of black & mixed race egg donors... I think whether you want children or not, it must be terrible to have that choice taken away from you.
[Please check the ethnicity of that poster before continuing.]
MSG 40 also contained a similar comment:
It stands to reason that a black couple going down this route to get a child would want the donor to be of the same ethnicity as them. A black couple would probably not want a white donor, same as a white couple probably would not want a black donor.
And MSG 41 confirmed that the poster of MSG 40 had expressed the opinion of MSG 33 exactly.
So, two posters had stated that black/mixed race couples might wish to raise black/mixed race children.
Therefore, my comment : "It was suggested by other posters that the couple might not want a white child." is entirely correct!
You also quoted my questions from MSG 39:
"And is there some sort of quota system here in the UK?"
"Do we have to produce a certain number of black/mixed race babies each year?"
and stated:
Which I have to admit seemed like a racist flame to me,
I'm not certain how asking two questions about the potential numbers of black couples requiring donations each year can be seen as 'a racist flame', but the outcome of the report will clarify if they are.
Personally, if I were black, I would report this as a racist flame,But I'm Whiteish,
So I did anyway!!!
The ethnicity of the reporter (in all cases) is irrelevant.
I trust my responses have addressed your concerns on this matter. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 11:29:37 AM | Message 33 was only saying that there happened to be a shortage of black/mixed race donors, that it must be a terrible predicament, not being able to conceive and she was going to donate some of her eggs.
Do we have to produce a certain number of black/mixed race babies each year? IMO that is a racist flame. Which is why I posted in message 40. You just keep trying to justify your riddiculous post, but everyone who read it , knows how it was meant to sound when you posted it. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 4:56:19 PM | I'd not donate my eggs because I wouldn't want what would have been my children running around out there, so I'm in the same camp as Pink Bows, Hula etc on this.
I'd not want to receive a donated egg either so I'm not being hypocritical.
If I was white and married to a white man and I did want to have a donated egg or sperm, I imagine that we'd go for a white donor/s. As much as I'd be happy to it would not make sense for us to go for a nice little cute brown baby when there are black people out there who need donated sperm or eggs .
As for quotas what a ridiculous comment. It's like asking if we have to produce a quota of girls... or of boys ... or of chavs... or of arseholes. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 5:02:10 PM | Most clinics match donors to recipients based on ethnicity... As there are few black or mixed race donors, this makes it harder for a white/black, black/black, mixed/white etc couple to even start the (already difficult) process of IVF.
I imagine it must be even more difficult, if the couple requires both an egg & sperm donation.
Not all children in the care system (children's homes, foster homes etc) are available or in some cases suitable, for adoption for various reasons...
Adoption is a lengthy process, whilst social workers assess you, your support network etc & try to match you with a child most suited to you (your life style, age etc)...
Skin colour &/or ethnicity isn't a major barrier with regard to adoption. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2009 12:04:18 AM |
Most clinics match donors to recipients based on ethnicity... As there are few black or mixed race donors, this makes it harder for a white/black, black/black, mixed/white etc couple to even start the (already difficult) process of IVF.
You raised the issue of 'ethnicity' earlier (it's a valid point) with regard to mixed race couples, and their potential desire to receive donations from black people. I don't see why such couples can't receive donations from whites and still maintain a similar racial mix to the one they currently enjoy.
After all, at least one of the partners has traces of another race in their genes, so what 'harm' would it do to introduce more of that race into the 'mix'? Surely, such couples would have no problem accepting donations regardless of the donor's ethnicity? | |
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Posted: 7/13/2009 12:09:30 AM | | IMO sperm donors are w@nk3rs! | |
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