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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/22/2007 2:04:21 PM | OP- I've been there. Never actually attempted but I wanted to die in the worst way. I understand the hopelessness and feeling like there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The sad part is when you are down at the bottom of that pit, peoples words just seem to bounce off you and lay powerless at your feet. You say yours is from lonelieness. Perhaps, if you have not tried this, you could search out organizations to join and do whatever you can to surround yourself with people and make new friends. What helped me alot was to volunteer myself to charitable organizations. Helping people in need made my troubles seem petty and small. It gave me a real boost to help others at a time when I felt helpless to help myself.
To those who have a grade school mind and can only write acidic comments about suicide being for cowards. Go blow it out your backside!! | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/22/2007 7:09:30 PM | lostwolfeye,
while i say lonelieness one of, but also the main issue with me, it is not so much i need lots of people, infact i dont like crowds.
im refering to the lonliness one gets without a partner in life.
i often wonder if people who say that suicide is for cowards have any feelings , emotions or understanding of people at all.
while you have to have lived with something to say you know how it feels, you do not have to live with something to understand how it feels. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 7:32:59 PM | I have been there and attempted it. I took a very large overdose and ended up in an intesive care unit for 6 weeks. Liver failure, Acute Hepatic Necrosis with 80% Liver failure. At the time it seemed to be the only way out.
One key thing about depression, especially when you are that far down, is that no matter what anyone may say to you. you feel that they dont understand. So you end up in that vicious descending spiral of destruction. I was exceptionally fortunate, I stared death in the face and got away with it. But waking up in intensive care, all i felt was that i had failed yet again. It was only through the care and compassion of the nursing staff that i sit here today, looking forwards to tomorrows.
I wish i could give a glimpse of a nugget of insight or inspiration to anyone feeling the despair that leads to this. But from past experience I know my words will seem hollow and untrue. But for anyone who is feeling hurt and afraid, I dont ask you to think about the loved ones etc, but think about yourself. Spit in the eye of those that have wounded you, show them that you are a unique individual capable of loving and being loved. More valuable than those people who have hurt you. Think of the look on their faces when they see you laughing and walking tall. Show them that not only can you survive without them, but you are better off without them.
We all do feel alone at times, after all thats why sites like this exist. But there is also an advantage in the anonimity of these sites. You can reach out and seek guidance, a helping hand or just a giggle, to complete strangers. And from the people i have "met" on this site, you wont be waiting long before an "angel" steps forward and helps you to walk again.
By all means, drop me a line. im no guru, no psychologist but im no judge either. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/22/2007 7:57:12 PM | That was a nice post, Rygar. :)
I also wondered for a few days why someone would say that suicide is for cowards and the answer I thought of was 'pain'.
Re-read msg 34.
Karen said her other daughter responded in anger as well. Anger is a response to intense emotional pain isn't it? (look at other posts about cheating!) Is it also a lack of understanding about HOW it could have happened? Someone who believes there was A DIFFERENT answer than DEATH?
If you know someone who has ended their life, and didn't REALLY understand WHY it happened, would you not feel SOME anger? I thought about it and decided I MIGHT.
If I thought someone could have reached out to find a way to get over their depression (and I realize that its not ALWAYS about feeling so low about things that have happened in your life that CAUSES depression) and lived a happier life because of it; been around -- more years and spent those years FIGHTING to get over what hurt them ... I too MIGHT have reacted in anger. How many countless other people have gotten really hurt ... and gotten over it through counselling?
I know a lady ... two years ago while she and her boyfriend were having relationship problems, this young 'father-to-be' of her unborn child committed suicide. She is angry at him. Her beautiful daughter will go through life never knowing her father. Does she have emotions? Hell yes, she does. Does she have a 'grade school mentality'? Hell no!
As I said in an earlier post ... I wish my family member would seek counselling. Change counsellors if they are not experienced enough. I know it takes ALOT to get to the point of considering the thought to end your life ... but doesn't it take even more ... ? something? to try and get out of the depression? I don't know!? I'm not judging either ... just seeking answers ...
Roast my thoughts away ... | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/22/2007 8:46:00 PM | OleTimeMusic, I just wanted to make another comment ...
You said 'im refering to the lonliness one gets without a partner in life".
This is also another thing that I have heard a few times from people who have contemplated suicide.
The family member, and actually there is a teenage family member also whom I have learned has once mentioned it, considers himself 'sensitive'. He grew up acting 'tough', but he also grew up without proper manly guidance and support. Closer to home, my ex considers himself 'sensitive' and gets very depressed now. All 3 believe that no woman want a 'sensitive' man (hence the 'act'). ??? I think it's UNtrue BTW. Some women don't like it, granted, but there are women who DO.
Even closer ... my eldest son has been considered by some as 'sensitive' since he was little; he is very compassionate, he worries about everyone. He is popular and athletic. He recently defended a child who was being bullied. He is such a sweetheart and has even, at 11 yrs old, recently brought home a stuffed animal that was left at the side of the road, because he felt sorry for it. Will life hurt him more if I don't ... if I don't what? I work every day to build my childrens self esteem and help give them lessons in life. Will it be enough? Is 'sensitive' a word associated in early childhood to depression? I'll google it and see what I come up with, also.
EDIT: http://www.dg58.org/counselors/depression.htm
"Extreme sensitivity to rejection or failure" is among signs.
Many other sites. Not enough time to go through them all but I'm reading this one ... http://www.treatmentonline.com/treatments.php?category=Our+Psychology
Maybe you can find other sites that are good?
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/22/2007 9:28:43 PM | http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/mhrecovery/articles.asp
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/23/2007 7:56:22 AM | | I've been sad alittle about feeling lonely, but not to that extreme. If I heard a friend say that I would try to get them help. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/23/2007 10:53:42 AM | | this response is a little late but you are obviously a moron. actually a person has to be quite brave to take his own life. i'm glad i was a coward. many times you cannot control when you have a kidney disease or heart disease. so you see a doctor. it is same with depression. you can't control the chemical imbalance in your brain so you see doctors and hopefully that helps. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/23/2007 11:53:08 AM | The whole thing about suicide being a cowards way out, is total rubbish.
In the UK there is still a certain degree of stigma attached to seeing a counsellor or a psychologist. We feel that we are admitting that we are a failure as an individual, something that just intensifies the already held depression. The downward slope is steep and slippery, until you slide down so far that the light at the top is no longer even a pinprick. Reaching out to anyone seems to be almost impossible. We become consumate liars, telling ourselves that we are ok and trying to convince others to leave us alone. However we are sometimes lucky enough to be discovered and "forced" to see that we are not alone and we do have someone to help us through it.
Obviously this is only my firsthand perspective on the situation, but I have learned how to keep an eye open for the the body language, the change in behaviours. And hopefully i have become a better listener. Because the first thing that anyone needs is to be heard and understodd. not judged. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/23/2007 12:02:27 PM | | Dysthymic Disorder -- is that the type you have? And it is less treatable than other types of depression. I do hope you socialize and stay attached to the world. Hugs from across the world. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/23/2007 12:14:51 PM | | The one thing I will say, is yes I have been there, and instead of "explaining" I will say this, unless you have been there yourself...you can have NO possible clue as to what happens to a person. I've been called a coward and worse....but I did survive it. Instead of tearing people up, try being a freind. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/23/2007 12:35:06 PM | I pray to manifest for all those suffering from depression the peace the universe intends for you to have. To have not is horrible; to expect less is a nightmare; to wish for it is lonely; and to give up is tragic.
I know how lucky I am. I have no magic to give but my love...which is pretty cool actually.
Feel the friendship, love, Light, and peace we give you. Make a gift of your pain by fighting and passing on the lessons you will learn.
You are a survivor: Thrill me, baby!
/Dave | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 12:58:37 AM | hi peach, yep dysthymic sounds about right, they did say what sort but i dont remember.
i also get uncomfortable around crowds as well.
Like going shopping, its ok for a short time, like up to an hour or so, but after that is starts to get difficult. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 10:29:52 AM | this response is a little late but you are obviously a moron. actually a person has to be quite brave to take his own life.
^^ Not sure about the "moron" part (a little harsh, no?) but I agree - it takes alot of courage to kill yourself. I've been there and even with much alcohol in my system I couldn't do it. One day perhaps! But -
Everyone has their own personal rationale, and you truly need to be in the shoes of the other. An example: A good friend of mine - she's physically perfect, incapsulating the whole Barbie image collaged with the girl-next-door type. She's incredibly intelligent, has a supportive family who's higher middle class. She has many friends for a support system and a great bf. She's motivated, driven and has traveled much of the world. But she's also on anti-depressants - I would have never imagined; she's beautiful, sucessful, loved and has the world as her oyster.
Some of people have psychosocial issues, some have neurotransmitter imbalances, and some have a collection of these and other components.
Always be there for someone who is showing symptoms of severe depression. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 10:39:43 AM | I have never been depressed, but my mother is very far into the illness and has been for years. i think some people get confused between depression and just feeling sad.
My mother has a clinical illness and she has tried on numerous occasions to kill herself, almost succeeding many times. There comes a point in a depressed persons life when , because of the drop in seratonum levels (sp?) in their brains, they feel like everything is overwhealming them and they leterally cannot see a way out. Depression makes a person very tired, both physically and emotionally. Even if they have much to live for, they dont see it that way, or rather, cant. My mother has two great kids (my brother and myself) my brother is in his final year at school, and she still cant seem to find a reason to want to live.
Being depressed is not a choice and it is not because of anything a person says or does, so therefore it cannot be fixed with words or actions either. If you have a problem with actual depression, I strongly suggest you get to a doctor and get put onto some medication to increase the seratonum (sp?) level in your brain. Thats the only thing that will make you feel better. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 4:22:48 PM | I think you hit the nail on the head there Baby Cakes. "they feel like everything is overwhelming them and they literally cannot see a way out. Depression makes a person very tired, both physically and emotionally. Even if they have much to live for, they don't see it that way, or rather, cant."
Being on the outside, its almost impossible to get through to the one who has the depression. There is no magic cure, no quick fix. the only thing we can offer is understanding and unending love.
I will say that after going through it, i have come out the other side a far far better man. But there are so many people who silently suffer and see themselves living with a crutch of medication. Its not a crutch, its a life line. However every single day that they are on this earth, is another day that they enrich this earth and yours, mine and their lives.
To many people are quick to judge those that suffer from this illness. The morons who say they take the cowards way out... those that turn their back on the ill. For them i have the utmost contempt!!! But for those who are suffering, they will never see me turn my back on them. Always remember " There but for the grace of god.." | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 4:58:33 PM | | wow; I cannot believe i have found others that are like me, or like me.. i have been very depressed and it hurts alot, i am in a position where i work with higher influential people and you know we are not suppose to have problems right... well wrong we do and at times it is very hard to overcome them, there are times when i did wish they had not found me. then now when i look at my beautiful children i know that there was a reason why i had to live. God was not finished with me. we are here for a reason and yes at times those reasons are hard, but you know if God did not think we could handle those times he would of let us go.. there are many people in my life that have left me and it hurts i cry alot, and it seems when things start to look good there is always another trial to face. I know it does not help when we listen to very sad songs but I love them, and it helps me to overcome my grief. I thank this site for i did not know that you were out there. I am a lonely woman also, the only difference and people that are keeping me alive now are my children. I have tried so hard to have successful relationships but they always failed on me. Now every morning i just say "thank you for this day". | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 5:02:06 PM | Guys, Just hang in there.
No matter how hard it seems, just remember that when you think there everything is just impossible, you are not seeing it clearly, and there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
You are stronger than you think, otherwise you wouldnt be here now . | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 5:08:50 PM | My sister committed suicide last week after a long bout with depression, fueled by alcohol and abuse of painkillers, antidepressants and sleeping pills. No matter how hard we worked to help her, we couldn't stop her.
I hate to say it, but there are people out there who have lost the capacity for clear thought, and end up destroying themselves. This was the case with my sister: we intervened in so many ways, we tried to help her, but she continued to suffer, suffer, suffer.
When the end came, I was in complete shock (I still am.) My only consolation is that her suffering has finally ceased and that she has the peace that she has craved for so long.
But for all you others: get help, get as much as you need, pay whatever you can, because the alternative is not so great, and those you leave behind suffer even more. I think about all the suffering I went through during the last six months, but the suffering I'm going to feel in the future will be even greater. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/24/2007 11:53:10 PM | rygar69,
you say there is no magic cure, or quick fix,
that is very true, though if it were possible to change the passage of time,
or as in the multiverse theory of quantum physics that posits the existence of parallel universes, alternate realities that exist concurrently with our own. The theory holds that anything that can happen does, if not in this reality then in another.
in one of them realities there is a me that is happy beyond dreams. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/25/2007 1:39:37 AM | I'd say I felt alone and suicidal most of my life. till my early thirties really. It was a way of life the only feelings i knew. As early as i can remember possibly even 5 years old i didn't want to be here at all. And it just got worse. I was never able to attempt suicide though my sense it being wrong was to great. but i sure wished for a car or a bus or anything else really to just end it. When people died i always thought how lucky they were...
In my thirties a lot of lights started going on in my life. Of course there was a lot of pain as well but somehow my life just got better and better. headaches stopped, the constant depressive state stopped. I have no idea what changed it all as i tried so many things all about the same time that i couldn't even say what changed it. Reading, meditating, tai chi, Reiki, sweat lodges, seperation, I also enjoyed working with youth and found it completely fulfilling. I did still feel like something was missing, and definitely did not feel like i belonged where i was but all that has changed too. I've moved back to the UK and am with someone i resonate with completely and wholly. Now i don't ever want to die. Life has meaning and purpose beyond any suffering i've ever endured. One life time is not enough to share with my special someone.
Some times i still get depressed, no where near like i used to but its there. I guess like any other feeling depression will pass. Thankfully it doesn't last for years now. Anyone who is suffering My heart goes out to them. Its not something you can just turn off and on at will or positively think away. time doesn't make it better and healing is different for everyone. I hope you find your path of healing and live a life that you want to keep.
crazylilting | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/26/2007 8:52:14 PM | I am really sorry for the lost of your daughter, I know how painful it must be. I, my self once I was very young and I was going to teh university, I was loosing my mom from brest cancer and gettng divorced and loosing every thing, one night I made my self very drunk, and took some sleeping pill to go to bed ad fall sleep, I never drink that much but that night few years back I did it. I saw the horrible experience, I was dying, i saw the light. DOctors told me I was lucky if I did not have any brain damaged or even I survived!But I wanted to come back, For some reason I woke up adn my friends were all sleeping and drunk but I woke up and called 9/11! I saw my self leaving my body and going some where else. They say when you experience after death you become even stronger adn you will start to believe in god adn that was it. I never ever took my life for granted or any thing even if they send me to a prison in the middle of Baghdad! Life is a precious thing and never take it for granted!Since then i helped lots of people to deal with their depression, if any one tells me he or she wants to end his or her life, I will tell him or her how horrible the experience is and will do any thing to stop her or him! The horibble experience that I had to go throught it was so terrifying, I ahve never seen it in my life. People who do it need help adn we should all do every thing in our power to help these people. I knwo how bad it is and I do not wish any one else to go through the same thing I went, believe me you would want to do any thing to come back but lots of people do nto get this second chance! I was feeling that some thing was trying to suck my soul down and I was tryig to go through the light but soem thing ws trying to take me away from that light. It was as scary as hell, any one who has this tought can contact me and I liek to talk to you please! I ahve been there and may be I can help you and talk to you if you like! Now I became such a strong perosn because of my faith. Nothing can adn should deceive me any more because I deserve to live!Good luck to every one, please take care | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/26/2007 8:58:28 PM | | It can also be a type of Phobia, there are different kinds of panic disorders adn phobias. My minor was in Psychology. I took lots of corses at the Unviersity. But being uncomfortable in the public places is ad does not necessarly is a mnifestation of a unic fact such as depression. It can be also Panic disorder or Phobia!! | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 5/26/2007 10:36:48 PM | What ripes me is that when people are clearly depressed and are having problems and they are reaching out for help to others, many people don't try to help them or give them any support. I have heard people say to others, "well thats your problem" or "Thats life, Live with it", I mean how crule and insensitive can some people be.
I mean the best thing to do would be to try to help them. Just saying whats in my heart, but people who are down and think these thoughts NEED to be supported emotionally and accepted and they need to be reached out to and try to help them. | |
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