| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/7/2007 8:04:34 PM | You got some missconceptions about this.
I'm currently under psichiatric medication for depression and obsesive compulsive treatment. When I first was diagnosed, I was told that my condition requiered a whole life tratment, I was warned about good times and bad times even if the medication was administrated.
Yes, I have had good times and bad times. Isn't something easy to take up on shoulders, but anyone with a crhonic dissease can tell you something similar.
The fact is that your organism not always assimilate the medication in the same way, that is because the permanent medical checkups (the same can be said for the dibetic people who needs inyected insulin). If the medications seems to stop working, is a clear alarm sign for the psychiatrist
And one thing that I can testify: the antidepresives don't mekes you happy, it only makes the things easyer for yourself, then you can concentrate in "rebuild yoursel". Is not like the aspirin, it requieres compromise and some personal sacrifices.
The suicide part is the easy one: everything looks absurd, like a continuous nosense, the only real thing is the pain. The people without professional help will tend to find really logical (inside them) terminate the pain once and for all, at any cost... there is no family, neither friends, neither sons, nothing but you and the pain. I have been in that side many times, and thanks to my psychiatrist, my psicologist and my friends I still here in one piece and I can see a better tomorrow every day. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/7/2007 8:05:16 PM | | oh Miss right, You have got to be kidding...........that is like saying a diabetic brought it on themselves & doesn't need any medication or treatment......or a cancer patient or any other illness. You can't just "pull" yourself out of it & you don't bring it on yourself. A low self esteem & negativity are parts of depression. Don't you think everyone would much rather be happy & cheerful & glad to be alive if they could? Not wanting to face the world , trying to think of a reason to keep going & having to convince yourself to get up every morning is by no way shape or form a fun life. "Need to get a Life"........we have one......just need to convince some of us to keep it. I pray no one in your family ever has to rely on your help if they become depressed. I'm sorry if this comes off as crude, but you are way off the mark. I've been there. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/7/2007 11:59:50 PM | | It's a real ILLNESS. It's not anything anyone would choose. Would any of you CHOOSE to be so depressed you are near checking out? No, no one would CHOOSE it. Some people can handle life's hurts and some can't. It does not mean they can just "get a grip" or pinch themselves and it's all better. If I had the guts to DO it I would check out also. Why live a life if all you have to look forward to every morning is an empty day with nothing to smile about. Don't put down those who want better but can't find a way to see it better. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/8/2007 12:18:17 AM | | I have not , but a memberI have met on here said she was about to take a gun to her head. I procceded in the talks and met the lady. It was all a ploy just for her amusement. Used all the tricks of the internet dating to lure me in. Boy did I get suckered! | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/8/2007 5:19:38 AM | | what a terrible thing to do to any one, that person is disgusting to use such a serious illness for personal gain. but everyone is not tarred by the same brush. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/8/2007 7:03:52 AM | Depression is not a state of the mind, but rather a state of intense sadness, melancholia or despair that has advanced to the point of being disruptive to an individual's social functioning and/or activities of daily living.
A person suffering from depression may feel tired, sad, irritable, lazy, unmotivated, and apathetic. Because there are different types of depression, a clinical assessment by a health care professional must be done to diagnose and treat the disease. Just to mention a couple of examples:
>>>"Depression with Melancholic Features" is characterized by a loss of pleasure (anhedonia) in most or all activities, a failure of reactivity to pleasurable stimuli, a quality of depressed mood more pronounced than that of grief or loss, a worsening of symptoms in the morning hours, early morning waking, psychomotor retardation, anorexia (excessive weight loss, not to be confused with Anorexia Nervosa), or excessive guilt.
>>>"Depression with Psychotic Features" may be presented with hallucinations or delusions that are either mood-congruent (content coincident with depressive themes) or non-mood-congruent (content not coincident with depressive themes).
How many sufferers have felt most, if not all of the above symptoms at some point?
Hence, it does vary depending on the type, severity, age and other factors of relevant nature. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/8/2007 2:23:42 PM | I wrote in a previous post about my brushes with depression, but I do have to comment about how some people are manipulative and use "depression" as an excuse to control people around them. I guess this is called "borderline personality". The type of woman who threatens to cut her wrists everytime she doesn't get her way. Or someone who is drunk or violent and they justify it because of their "problems'. Of course it is a vicious cycle because this kind of behavior just increases the person's difficulties with loved ones as well as the law.
Oh yeah and just for the record, things were going great with my latest "friend" until his ex-girlfriend showed up. She was one of this type. I think she cried & threatened suicide if he didn't give her another chance. I don't go in for that kind of thing so I'm alone again. But I'd rather be in my shoes than his. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:31:39 AM | In response to your post greenfeather, people who appear to use depression as an excuse to control others around them actually suffer from what's called an "Automated Response Mechanism." Just to simplify it's meaning and to give a better understanding, it's a sub-conscious thought embeeded and only released when a particular incident or event triggers the thought process. Every person has this to some degree and in many different forms and fashions. For example, if your kettle was moved from one end of the kitchen bench to the other (after a few years of being in the same spot), the next time you wish to use it, you'll "Automatically" (even for a split second) go to the original spot before realising it was moved. This is what's refered to an Automated Response Mechanism.
Unfortunately, those with depression cannot mentally shut this mechanism for reasons of individual variances.
In addition, the word "manipulation" is not a bad thing as most people may perceive.
For example, if i manipulated a friend into taking a taxi home because he had just a little too much to drink, then that's a good thing.
I guess this thread is rather a sensitive topic that requires a conscientious and solicitous approach. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:57:13 AM | | A LOT MORE THAN WILL ADMIT IT!LOVE HURTS WHEN REJECTED ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS A ONE SIDED LOVE AFFAIR.IT DOES TAKE TWO TO TANGO AND PEOPLE HAVE A ROUGH TIME FACING THE UGLY UNKNOWN OUT THERE.BUT A GOOD FRIEND CAN USUALLY PERK YOU UP AND ALL IS FINE AGAIN AND SOMETIMES THAT PERSON NEEDS CLOSURE YET AND THERAPY AND EVEN MEDICATIONS IF DEPRESSION SETS IN BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADMIT IT. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 7:16:54 AM | The thing about that is{ "listening" }is that I've been listening for 15 years and helping and being helped. 15 years! with the same man. I want out - it seems like a merry go round now.
He ended up doing a side trip from me and that netted him a wee time in prison cause she wouldn't put up with it and some parole time, now he's in counceling and loving it he says. I hope so cause all I feel is angry with carrying a load I don't feel at all appreciated for and I ain't getting any younger. He's 18 yrs my junior. He's going to walk away laughing. So I have to get back to the garden. BYe. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 7:21:37 AM | | Manipulation is bad cause Depak says it causes tension. I feel like that could be so. Imagine being able to relax, be happy and sleep! | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 1:41:45 PM | | Suicide is never the answer! Make yourself happy and people will draw to u! Loneliness is a state of mind! | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 2:00:49 PM | I hear ya bro... I am not far behind you. I think about it all the time. I've done the very best I can in this life and sometimes I just want to cash in my chips early and go home. but because life is eternal, there is no escape, not even in death. whatever you left behind will be waiting for you when you come back, and it will keep going on like this, until you learn whatever lesson there is to be learned in ths life so you can move on. Plus you'd have to start all over from scratch. F*ck that. I recommend reading "A Course In Miracles". you can find it online for free, just google it. sometimes it's the only thing that can get me through the day.
You might also want to look into getting an overseas bride. check out websites: nomarriage d0t c0m and singleabroad d0t c0m. But if you are going that route you'd better have the goods to provide for a family: an established career and plenty of disposable income for travelling abroad. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/9/2007 2:19:57 PM | | thankyou so much for what you wrote I to lost my husband a couple of years ago since then life has been full of so many bad things that have happened to me and as well I to believe Im some sort of drama queen which sometimes makes things worse the loneleyness is the worst and I have thought of ending it but I know thats the wrong answer the greatest thing I work in nursing and that helps so much may you find love again God Bless Katie | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/10/2007 4:18:51 PM | The sadness and lonliness can be completely unbearable at times. I know I have been having on again off again problems with this dibilitating depression since my marriage started to completely unravel 10 years ago. Tried to do everything right to deal with the emotional trauma. Councilling, Peer Councilling, Medication, Attempted new Activities and Beginning Experience. I did received some benefit from all of this and was slowly making some progress, even with that silly little dream in the back of my head that we could still repair out family.
The biggest mistake was getting involved in trying to meet new people, possible a relationship to help build up my shattered self esteem. It might have worked but people like my are so transparent and can easily be picked out by the cons and players.
Hence I got involved or pushed into a relationship which was totally destructive to me and I am now back where I first began but with much less financial security.
It's going to be a very tough hard road to climb to reach that state of having some sense of self esteem which is needed to function in this world.
Some days I just wished that I had a guardian angel watching over me, and assisting me to make wise decisions and choices for me. Not to mention help me learn to trust people again. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/10/2007 8:28:53 PM | To those of you considering suicide, may I suggest an alternative? If you are going to be dead soon, wouldn't giving anything a chance make sense?
All emotional suffering is caused by resistance/self image/egoic self/morals/opinions/preferences/beliefs/wants/desires. These are all synonyms for fighting against truth/reality/god/peace/bliss/love/presence/being/joy.
John/Mary/Bob/Alice/Kevin/Sarah or whatever your name is...what if you let go of that identification? What if you dropped into this eternal moment that is always here? What if you gave up all wanting? You have the chance to be free, to become a new unnamed person when you awaken tomorrow. That person can be free of all pain and resistance. That person/presence/being/spirit/energy can accept the world as it is and can know THAT as God and truth and love.
You can be free of your pain without going through physical death. You can dedicate the rest of your life as a gift to others and be full of light and joy. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/10/2007 9:27:20 PM | I have read all of the posts in this thread, and must say that I am amazed at how many people STILL have empathy for others (even total strangers) This has certainly enlightened me, for I truely felt that absolutely no-one would relate...I know now that I was soooo wrong...
I am so impressed with the courage some of you have; the ability to keep fighting and to stay "standing" under so much emotional pain has certainly given me hope. Thank you for telling your stories.
I KNOW that ending my life, would end MY pain, but leave the people I love and care about in a constant state of "what if I had.....????" Not to mention the ripple effect it would have on their lives... how UTTERLY selfish of me. So, I am still here, like some of you I will fight this nasty demon that lives in my head with everything I have. THANK YOU,
for giving me and others here some hope and perspective. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/12/2007 6:42:32 PM | I know that this thread has almost worn itself out but, I've personal experience with a girl who did commit suicide. We were supposed to go on another date the day she was found.
She was very ill and didn't want to go through a long series of treatments (and apparently put her loved ones through it as well). Sadly, the memorial for her was packed to the rafters with people who loved her. The grief was so palpable that even to this day I remember her, and sometimes curse the decision she made. I know that some may see suicide as an option, but try to get help if the bottom has fallen out. The survivor guilt can last so long that it can effect the lives of those you may think you are sparing. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/13/2007 3:22:41 PM | I can speak from experience on this matter, because I have been there. I tried to overdose when I was 15 years old. I wasn't getting along with my mother, my boyfriend moved away, and I just thought my life was unbearable. I had quite the wake up call when I started feeling extremely tired, and began blacking out. I called my mom to get her help. She thought I was being stupid and made me wait until she got off to take me to the hospital.
My relationship is still the same with my mother, and I'm still single. However, I have found that until you find true happiness in yourself, no one else can love you. You have to know yourself before anyone else can.
My experience, though stupid, was a great learning experience for me. I was trying to fix a temporary problem with a permanent fix. That made me realize that the one's who do love me, would be hurt from this. The people who did not care, may get satisfaction from my death. I finally faced the fact that I had depression, and started recieving treatment for it, and it really helped. | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/13/2007 5:05:56 PM | Today is a very rough day. Just on of those days you wish never existed. It's one thing to be sad lonely and alone. But it is yet another when you reach out for help no matter how distrubed the call is and you are rejected, by the people who are supposed to be with you through it all YOUR FAMILY. Taking away what little self respect and hope you have with it. Life is just one cruel joke after another. I've spent the better part of my life looking after and out for others, but when I need help no one is there.
There are two reasons I'm still here typing this. 1. I have one daughter who is struggling to get her life together and I don't want to jeopadize that for her. 2. I'm a coward and I don't want to hurt anyone else is the process. At this point in time I con't care anymore that anyone knows how messed up emotionally I am. I am one of those loons people make jokes about on here. As if depression is really a laughing matter. I wouldn't wish these thoughts and feelings on to anyone. I initially joined on to this site hoping to meet some new people and get my mind off of my own issues but have been left feeling less secure than when I signed on.
Good luck to everyone and I hope that you are more fortunate than I and actually find some peace and happiness here.
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/13/2007 5:51:58 PM | Hi my name is Rick today is my 40th birthday. Friday the 13th no less. I lost both my parents in the past 7 years. To say I've never thought of ending it would be an outright lie. I was in the Navy for a number of years doing things that most people wouldn't speak of. To take another innocent life with you is just a selfish act. One thing I personally haven't thought of nor would I even consider doing. If you are going to end it please have the common decency not to bring the total loss to more than just yourself. When I read the first few post's on this topic I thought "How could a person be sooo selfish to take another person with them whilst doing such a selfish act. My ex gf left me for a 65 year old millionaire ... that hurt like a mf it hurt more when she wanted back after a month with him and I had to say NO!!! ... It took every ounce of my being to decline her offer of "everlasting love and I'll never do that again as long as I live" BLAA BLAA BLAA > BS . I was told that my thoughts are very normal for a person who has been through what I have and seen what I have seen , and done what I have done . So for what its worth. Start every day as a new beginning. Also if your thinking of ending it , at least take the time and think of all the people that it will affect, hurt and destroy. For me it was my Niece that I couldn't hurt, she is 4 and Uncle Rick is her favorite Uncle. Ill be damned if I would put her through the questions of why did he do that? ... just my 2 cents ... live long people and don't do stupid shit you cant change everything gets better with time as time heals all wounds.... or at least so I'm told. My hypothesis of suicide is coward and I proved years ago to myself a coward I am not !  | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/13/2007 5:55:31 PM | as far as suicide goes.....its the cowards way out
depression.....how does it really benefit anyone...........feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to help | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/13/2007 6:13:00 PM |
Today is a very rough day. Just on of those days you wish never existed.
If you ever need somone to moan at - please feel free - any time !!!!
Fran xx  | |
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| Depression and suicide
Posted: 7/13/2007 6:17:44 PM |
as far as suicide goes.....its the cowards way out
depression.....how does it really benefit anyone...........feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to help
Well you obviously haven't been there - because if you had you'd know that depression is not a case of feeling sorry for yourself !!! It's a damn sight more than that and it hurts a damn sight more too !!
Keep trying 
Fran xx | |
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