| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 6/18/2007 6:50:53 AM | NaamahReincarnated
Non of my first post were directed at you. I promise you. NOT at all, otherwise I would have mentioned your name and would have directed it at you. Not at all.
Unfortunately written words are never as good as spoken words.
I read few posts and thought wait a minute, this discussion is really turning into attack towards certain groups.
Don't say you won't come back to this post I am sure a lot of people enjoy your writes don't make them sad. 
My religion is love and kindness................I hope anyway | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 6/18/2007 7:01:07 AM | Purple4 ......David Hicks - relates to religion in media.....you didn't do anything wrong just broadened the subject.
Here lets have one together  one's for youNaamahReincarnated
Is bumpkiness a word?
You silly girl of course bumpkiness is not a word, You've had one to many
It's..... Bumpiness ....or is it...em dumpikinesses ...em well something like that Hip......Hip....hip ...pardon me | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 6/18/2007 7:05:01 AM |
You silly girl of course bumpkiness is not a word, You've had one to many
Woo hoo! just made 50 on bumpkiness.......bet I can get 200 for spifflication....it has a double f......
Oh I am I in the right thread? Ooops.....lol
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 6/18/2007 7:12:37 AM | Interesting how a thread can go from one end of the scale to another and not truly evolve into an open discussion ?
Goddess - you should have been pre-warned about being outflanked sometimes on here when people raise the white flag but flip it over to reveal a black flag and then try to outflank you. Some good points raised by all and Naaaaaaaaaamah I agree that 9/11 could have be caused by any religion and it would still have been a horrible event that changed the world, as with the London, Bali and a few other Bombings too.
I have work colleagues from different countries around the world, of all religions and creeds with all of them condemn the zealots who have tarnished their religions (including Christianity) making the world so more unstable too. Religous wars have been around for thousands of years with the ring-leaders hiding behind their books or teachings for their atrocities ...... including genocide and persecution of minorities.
The topic is about David Hicks and not about a scripture lesson as I did my time in primary school and perhaps we need to close the books and get off the soap boxes for once as there are no cameras here for your 15 minutes of fame. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 6/18/2007 9:08:34 AM | Ned Kelly & Chopper Reed... Aussie legends, they armed themselves & shot their fellow Aussies. They are hero's to some.
Wade Frankum & Martin Byrant don't seem stir the emotions as much as David Hicks but their crimes seem much more insidious.
A number of years ago, the Australian Navy went to great lengths to rescue a lone Yachtsman, cant remember which one it was, Tony Bullimore or Isabelle Autissier, & at the same time we tracked a boatload of refugee's from Indonesia in a bad storm.
We saved the lone sailor & lost track of the refugee's....
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/17/2007 5:43:46 AM | I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood
Baby, don't you know I'm just human
And I've got thoughts like any other one
And sometimes I feel myself alone regretting
Some foolish thing, some foolish thing I've done | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/17/2007 6:13:59 AM | I think David Hicks is grossly misunderstood. But that is my opinion.
Personally, I hope he does come to this site. Because David Hicks would tell it like it is and he offended some little cry baby and they left, great!
The world needs more people like David Hicks. This site certainly needs him. Too many cry babies here!
If you have been so spoiled in your life and everyone has agreed with you to keep the peace, you really have not lived.
A forum is a place of different points of view. If you are a person who doesn't want to be challenged on what you have written on a forum, don't go on the forums. But if you do, expect to be challenged, because that is what a forum is.
This is NOT a chatroom. It is a debate system of everyone's points of view. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
This is a little off topic but it needs to be said. I actually feel sorry for the forum moderators. The nastiness and hatred on some of these posts is so pathetic that they make someone like David Hicks look like an angel. It is definitely not something that I would do for all the money in the world.
Stand up for what you believe in and never change your mind just to get people to like you. For if you do, it isn't really you they like, is it? | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/17/2007 12:44:28 PM | A couple of things people dont know.
1/ The photo of him with the rocket launcher.
Have a GOOD look. Crew cut, singlet, clean shaved. A Taliband fighter is robes and beard.
That photo was taken when he was a NATO soilder fighting in the Balkyns ins support of the KLA.
2/ His father Terry.
Terry spent most of his life working in the , top secret, Defence Research Lab just north of Adelaide. The place was the final stop off for Woomera and the A bomb tests at Marilingia.
ASIO keeps files , not only on the workers in these places, but also on thie friends, and relatives. Standard procedure! They would certinaly have had a file on David. IE they would have had ample evidence ofhis innicence or guilt. So why has everything been buried. Obviously politics.
It's time to really make an issue of the freedom of information laws. The real truth about David is in the ASIO main office in Melbourne right over the road fromt the Shrine of Rememberance. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 1:15:13 PM | david hicks, ned kelly, chopper, martin bryant have nothing in-common, except maybe ...they all know how to shoot a gun. but then again so does my sister.
crayonzz: you could be right !!! this could be one giant conspiracy by ASIO !! (insert dark music) what truth are you looking for?
2 sir: this thread was nothing compared to the last hick'sie thread, went for 15 pages...there was a lot of heated posts ....I stood up for the guy for one reason. even the rights of idiots must be protected. no one should be locked away with out trial. i am glad he will be released...just as i will be glad when our troops come home. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/17/2007 4:13:54 PM |
I stood up for the guy for one reason. even the rights of idiots must be protected. no one should be locked away with out trial. i am glad he will be released...just as i will be glad when our troops come home.
Although I agree with you about our troops coming home again, I will put this to you Caves, they are not there to create havoc, they are there for peace, not for war. Their job is to re build the country so that the innocent can resume life in a healthy and comfortable lifestyle. Much similar to what we have here.
I don't think that David Hicks is an idiot. I don't think anyone is an idiot. David Hicks has his points of view and his own values. Just because his points of view and his values do not match those of the majority of the world, that does not make him an idiot, that makes us ignorant. Many people are locked away without a trial as they are locked away for suspicion. Some of these people include. The Mickelburg (sp) brothers and Lindy Chamberlain.
I am thrilled that David Hicks is to be released. He is not evil, he isn't even bad, he is just misunderstood. His father knows him better than we do and that is why he is not an idiot, he is just misunderstood.
I could be wrong about all of this, but that is my opinion and I am sticking to it. What I was saying in my previous post was basically, if someone disagrees with me, that is fine, I am not going to get upset and leave a site, or a topic, because someone disagreed with me, I will fight my point of view. But then again, I am thick skinned and I do have broad shoulders. This is what we call freedom of speech and actions. Something that David Hicks has been denied until his release. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 5:44:14 PM | | Our soldiers are there OSTENSIBLY to rebuild the nation and no doubt many of the servicemen went there with only that in mind. Having been around many military people I can certainly also tell you that quite a few would have gone there with a great degree of media fueled prejudice and the gullibility to think they can tell who is fighting for them and who is fighting against them (just like in Vietnam). The reason they were sent to Iraq by lil' Johnny et al was to suck up to the USA who went there to shore up their oil interests , to punish Saddam for daring to suggest that his intention was to start trading his oil in Euros not US dollars. This would have set a precedent for other oil producing nations and ultimately led to the demise of the US controlled oil industry. The US only needed a token presence of Australians such that they didn't appear lonely invading yet another country. David Hicks was just another mercenary though batting for the losing team. All of the media focus on him gets us away from the big issue of the western world resorting to military conflict whenever it doesn't get its way in trade. Why do you think our men were fighting in the Middle East in WWII? To protect the locals??? I think not! To prevent Hitler from getting to the oil of course. Control the energy supply and you will dominate as every industrial economy needs energy to survive. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/18/2007 1:35:17 PM |
Although I agree with you about our troops coming home again, I will put this to you Caves, they are not there to create havoc, they are there for peace, not for war. Their job is to re build the country so that the innocent can resume life in a healthy and comfortable lifestyle.
I thought we were there to find weapons of mass destruction !!!!!! if Iraq sold carrots instead having the sec. largest oil supply left on the planet, do you think we would have gone in...if we are there for peace and so innocent people can rebuild lives and all that, then our troops will never be coming home as they have alot of countrys to invade, occupy, liberate, free or whatever.
I think david hicks is an idiot because he was planning to be a solder of fortune, running around the world to fight other people's wars. Hicks fought the Albanian's war with the Kosovo Liberation Army, aswell ofcourse with the taliban in afgahnistan.joined outfits in pakistahn. I dont think the man is a terrorist, in my books he has done nothing wrong, maybe he watched too much A-Team on tv.........which should be a crime in its self
having said that I would love to sit down and have a beer with the bloke, and good on him for getting released. wonder whats next for davo
I agree about defending or sticking to an opinion, but sometimes I have left threads as there can be stalemate's in debates and repeating yourself can be non productive. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/18/2007 2:13:06 PM | mr hicks is from my home town, turns out members of my local club new him.
very interesting on who he actually was.
alot of posts as a result actually show the properganda released kinda fooled them. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/18/2007 3:00:20 PM | so he didn't watch the A-Team loofy ??
but seriously, tell us more about the propergander/inside info.
I think the great thing about opinions is we can change them as new facts come to light. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/18/2007 4:33:07 PM |
I agree about defending or sticking to an opinion, but sometimes I have left threads as there can be stalemate's in debates and repeating yourself can be non productive.
I agree. Such a funny coincidence that it's been mentioned cos I left this thread at one point ...not because I changed my mind about anything but because I had been party to a spinoff discussion that wasn't directly about Hicks, and those who were wishing to keep the discussion purely on Hicks let me know that they would rather not have aside topics interrupt the main discussion. So I apologised and promised not to further dilute the main thread topic as it seemed the respectful and sensible thing to do...No tears were involved in the making of this exit.
And as for Hicks being held up as an example of someone who doesn't change his mind...errrm...the guy converted to Islam in the 90's and then renounced Islam this year. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/18/2007 8:36:40 PM |
but seriously, tell us more about the propergander/inside info.
he tried to join the army here, they wouldnt have him, he was that typical gunmad redneck type out of texas.
so what did he do? he went to fight in kosovo against the russians, got caught in afghanistan running away from the old war lords and afghanistan and sold to the yanks.
its ironic, bush recently got behind the kosovo independance cause, the one hicks went overseas for.
nothing terrorist about hicks, aint smart enough to turn toilet paper the right way up.
he wanted to be involved in a good old fashioned shoot em up as there trying to shoot us up. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/18/2007 10:16:30 PM | Yes David, or "Hicksy" as I like to call him, after leaving Kosovo, tried to join the Australian Army, but was refused entry because he didn't finish highschool. He then travelled to Pakistan to study Islam, which must have been an influence on him in Kosovo fighting the Serbs. The rest is pretty much history and it's true he wasn't captured fighting Coalition Forces, but he was defending Taliban territory against the Northern Alliance and was taken captive when the truck he was riding in was captured. I have heard other stories like he was guarding a tank that was blown up and he legged it. But maybe we'll know after he spends CHRISTmas with his family. I doubt he'll be sending Osama a card.
PS: I have to ask what the Iraq war has to do with this? Do people get them mixed up? | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/19/2007 12:11:22 AM | | Quite a lot since GWB chose to link Al Qaeda (and hence S11 attack and the 'war on terror') to Saddam's regime as a pretext for shoring up support at home for an invasion of Iraq. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:28:31 AM | Quite a lot since GWB chose to link Al Qaeda (and hence S11 attack and the 'war on terror') to Saddam's regime as a pretext for shoring up support at home for an invasion of Iraq.
That's a given Pedro. Welcome to the forums by the way. I guess its invitable that any topic related to the war in Afghanistan is going to turn toward Iraq. But I still don't see any correlation with David Hicks and Saddam's Regime/oil, apart from what you just pointed out- the fact that there was an attempt to link Saddam and Al Qaeda. It's about preserving the thread and keeping it on topic. There are a bazillion threads on the Iraq War. Well a few anyway. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:56:18 AM | yep, that would be me leathery ....my bad
i got carried away with 2sirwithlove about troops coming home and just ran off with the ball a little, forgot about which country we were liberating/discussing/occupying ..
still say the guys an idiot lol but he'd be welcome at my pub..probably a superstar ! | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:12:08 AM | ^^I've done some stupid things as well, but yeah Hicksy takes the date roll and he deserves a beer just for that.
I don't know much background on the American that was captured- John Walker Lindh. This journalist reckons he's an a-hole and I tend to believe him;
http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2006/01/the_truth_about.html
He's serving 20 years in maximum security in Colorado. Bet he feels like a beer. | |
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| Re: David Hicks - terrorism or just misunderstood ?
Posted: 12/20/2007 2:09:36 PM | | It's a bit inconsequential though to debate whether this reactionary or that is an idiot or a terrorist or whatever. Of course terrorists are ghastly but they're our invention, we trained them, we armed them - their religious zealotry was a convenient way of mustering support against the dreaded Russian infidels. The more relevant issues are surely how we, in a technological society, are held over a barrel (no pun intended) by the military industrial complex - which of course is inextricably linked to the oil companies and the geopololitical context. The US has a military presence in over a hundred countries and since it effectively has control much of over the world's media via a handful of huge media conglomerates (Time-Warner-CNN, News Ltd., Disney, Via Vendi-Universal) we are taught to see the world in simplistic, dare I say almost Orwellian, terms - these companies though are mighty nervous at the blogsphere's emerging influence - hence Murdoch buying Myspace. Good-guys versus villans - note the cowboy drawl of the current president 'we goin' smoke 'em out' . I mean how long before we get some romantic clap-trap block-buster a-la Pearl Harbour or Goodmorning Vietnam set in sunny Khabul or Baghdad...perhaps an uptight aid worker who looks mighty fine in her khakis has become seperated from her team and is picked up by some cowboy types (Blackwater security dudes) and has to put up with their hard drinking heavy-metal gun-toting ways. The more sensitive of the blokes looks after her a bit, though she resists what she sees as his advances until a roadside IED takes out the Hummer at the front of their convoy...they come under fire, one gets captured and our two star crossed lovers discover that yet again the Americans are the victims and war is hell but boy is the sex good....But I digress...yes David Hicks, silly boy, John Walker Lindh, silly boy... | |
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