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Posted: 6/1/2007 8:39:46 PM | Here's a good quote from Pablo Picasso:
" Women are either doormats or princesses." | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 9:50:30 PM | "today you are you, that is truer than true.there is no one alive who is youer than you"
---dr. seuss | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 11:28:10 PM | Death's emissary came
and said, "Why not?"
I hesitated a fateful second
--and was caught._________Aloysha
J. Newman Sudden Proclamations © 1992 | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 4:28:39 AM | Dev:
Thanks for the website, I'll check it out.
Everyone for today:
Far away in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. I may not reach them, but I can look up and see the beauty, believe in them, and try to follow where they lead.
- Louisa May Alcott | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 8:00:33 AM | | here is my quote i used to feel sorry for myself that i had no shoes until i saw man that had no feet . | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 8:02:55 AM | here is one more for you all dont walk in front of me i a may not follow dont walk in back of me i may not lead, just walk beside me and be my friend . | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 11:27:22 AM | | "Life's not measured by the amount of breath's you take it's measured by the moments that take your breath away.... By Yogi Bear" , | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 12:09:41 PM | heres a quote by St. Augustine that i have 'modified' to my liking...
"grant that i may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; for it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying to ourselves that we are born." | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 1:06:02 PM |
"grant that i may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; for it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying to ourselves that we are born."
That passage is from one of my alltime favourite poems/prayers, "An Instrument of Thy Peace", but I have to tell you the author is St. Francis of Assisi rather than Augustine. I try real hard to live by the bit about seeking more to understand than to be understood.....but god it's hard!
Another favourite of mine is Emily D*ckinson's: "Find ecstasy in life, the mere sense of living is JOY enough." | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 5:09:59 PM | you know i thought it was st. francis who wrote it, even posted it once before on another discussion board with st. francis being the author of the quote but when i googled (since dont have it memorized with keywords-- seek to understand and not to be understood) st. augustine as the author came up on the site i got this one from---
so i guess both saints said similiar things then (?)...or the site was wrong---gonna go try to find it again
oh and stephen R. covey has very similiar quote as well..."seek first to understand, then to be understood" | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 5:16:36 PM | Hi Muneca and Silly,
We might sometimes be wrong in spelling, tense and author name. As long as we communicate the message and it's meaning is understood, that serve the purpose. My sincere thanks to both of you for your valuable quotations.
With regards
Dev | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 5:31:31 PM | thats sweet of you  ---i just hate being wrong, lol...anyway found it on quoteworld.org and it goes:
"O, Divine Master, Grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; To be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying to ourselves that we are born to eternal life. Amen." - Copy to Clipboard
-- Saint Augustine
so, very similiar to the st. francis one, which i know was the original one i had heard.
(oh and as i mentioned it was modified, lol) | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 7:00:06 PM | Great occasions do not make heroes or cowards; they simply unveil them to the eyes. Silently and imperceptibly, as we wake or sleep, we grow strong or we grow weak, and at last some crisis shows us what we have become.
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Posted: 6/2/2007 7:45:36 PM | some don't have a clue
about the definition of moo, babe_______Brawnydog | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 10:23:02 PM | We might sometimes be wrong in spelling, tense and author name. As long as we communicate the message and it's meaning is understood, that serve the purpose. My sincere thanks to both of you for your valuable quotations.
This sentiment is OK in context. However, correct attribution is important to the scholar. (I am not a scholar.) Context is important if the broader context is missed. Duck Cheney quotes Abraham Lincoln. If I don't notice that he's quoting Lincoln, I might attribute to Cheney something which he doesn't deserve credit for.
And although this prayer is attributed to St. Francis, modern scholars apparently credit it to a later Franciscan, Jacopo di Toddi, about whom I can find nothing online other than deserving credit for this.
From a web page on urban prayer legends:- "The prayer attributed to St Francis of Assisi (“Lord, make me an instrument of your peace”) can only be traced back to a little before World War I. The earliest known appearance is as an anonymous text in French on the back of a holy card of St Francis, dating from around 1912–1914. It seems that it was an English version in 1936 which first upgraded the association with St Francis’ picture to an explicit attribution of the text to him. The prayer became famous when Sen. Thomas Connally read it before the United Nations in San Francisco in 1945. Francis would no doubt have liked it, but Franciscan scholars universally reject it as an authentic work of his.[1]"
A similar urban legend:- "Desiderata (“Go placidly amid the noise and haste”) was very popular in the ’60s and ’70s, usually circulating, as it often still does, in a form that says it was “Found in Old St. Paul's Church, Baltimore, A.D. 1692”. It is, in fact, a poem written by Max Ehrmann (1872–1945), an Indiana lawyer, who copyrighted it in 1927. It was first published by his widow in a collection of his poems in 1948. The confusion arose because at the end of the 1950s the rector of St Paul’s Church in Baltimore, which was founded in 1692, circulated a copy of the poem on his church letterhead, and the information about the church became mistakenly attached to the poem. The true story, well-documented, is here and elsewhere."
And I may as well copy the rest of the page:-
A Nun's Prayer (not from the 17th century)
Lord, Thou knowest better than I know myself that I am growing older and will some day be old. Keep me from the fatal habit of thinking I must say something on every subject and on every occasion. Release me from craving to straighten out everybody’s affairs. Make me thoughtful but not moody; helpful but not bossy. With my vast store of wisdom it seems a pity not to use it at all, but thou knowest Lord that I want a few friends at the end. Keep my mind free from the recital of endless details, give me wings to get to the point. Seal my lips on my aches and pains. They are increasing and love of rehearsing them is becoming sweeter as the years go by. I dare not ask for grace enough to enjoy the tales of others’ pains, but help me to endure them with patience. I dare not ask for improved memory but for a growing humility and a lessening****ureness when my memory seems to clash with the memories of others. Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally I may be mistaken. Keep me reasonably sweet, I do not want to be a saint — some of them are hard to live with — but a sour old person is one of the crowning works of the devil. Give me the ability to see good things in unexpected places and talents in unexpected people. And, give me, O Lord, the grace to tell them so. Amen. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 11:45:59 PM | | "Only those who go too far can possibly find out how far one can go." T.S. Elliot | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 12:53:25 AM | It occurs to me whoever the author is, he'd be happier knowing his ideas/thoughts were being considered/reflected upon, than whether he was given credit, and so it also occurs to me, I should have pasted the whole text of the prayer with which I'm familiar--it bears much consideration.
Lord, Make Me an Instrument of Thy Peace
Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(As a side note: Alan Paton, the author of "Cry the Beloved Country", wrote, in the late 60s, a wonderful book also called "An Instrument of Thy Peace" --it's a wonder no one turned up Paton as a source during all our Googling etc, haha! Anyhow, it's a fabulous book of meditations prompted by the prayer.) | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 1:35:19 AM | The way to get things done is not to mind who gets the credit for doing them. - Benjamin Jowett
In science the credit goes to the man who convinces the world, not to the man to whom the idea first occurs. - attributed to both Sir William Osler and Sir Francis Darwin | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 3:45:51 AM | "some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live"
-charles bukowski
one of my all-time faves... | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 5:53:40 AM | "I need a piece for my Instrument
Before I go crazy”
Quote by St. Azziz of France or Two men with a truck
one of my all-time faves... | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 6:00:41 AM |
Quote by St. Azziz of France or Two men with a truck
Can ya gimme an authoritative source for that attribution, fella?  | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 6:03:35 AM | How far do you want to move your furniture ?
Quote/offer by Two men with a truck | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 7:20:32 AM | | You win, Mr. Eye! lol | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 7:54:42 AM | Your fire makes me hot!
I wish I were a Oscar Meyer wiener, that is what I truly like to be...
Now I need a bun! | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 8:06:24 AM | This sentiment is OK in context. However, correct attribution is important to the scholar.
Yes Hardpromises. I do agree with you. However, muneca did not intentionally quoted wrong author. We human do wrong. It is bad when we quote wrong author with an intention because we love someone and hate another. As long as my intention is pure, I don't care much. In addition, as it is a forum, there are other people (like silly and you) to make the corrections which not only improves our knowledge on the true incidents but also makes us alert of not doing mistake in future.
I must thank you for letting us know things more detail. We all shall try to quote correct author but giving either soft or hard promises is really a hard task. Have a good day. | |
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