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"The BC SPCA is strongly urging the public to boycott the Cloverdale Rodeo May 18-21 in light of the potential suffering that rodeo animals may endure in the name of entertainment"
"our animal cruelty department will definitely pursue formal animal cruelty charges in any situation where animals are abused or injured."
You notice they use the word POTENTIAl....because they can not prove ACTUAL abuse or cruelty?????
Also, charges were not laid against anyone, therefore apparently, they could not prove that any cruelty or abuse took place.
Exactly what was this post supposed to prove????? | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 11:09:52 PM | | TT I applaud you on finding some info that isn't based on the feelings people have. That is a valid point that the SPCA is making. I have never seen any of the tail twisting and kicking myself, but then again I only participated in rough stock events. I can tell you that I have been to over 100 rodeos in my life, and most of them were behind the shoots and from my personal experience I have never seen an animal harmed physically. Now, I am not saying it has never happened, I am saying that I have never seen it. There is always some truth to every story. Am I pro rodeo? Yeah. Would I go out of my way to save the Stampede rodeo? No. It isn't a part of my life any longer. But when I hear people throwing around accusations without ANY factual backup I get upset. I personally do not have a problem with any person’s opinion, but if you are going to argue it then have some real information to back it up. If you have never seen the inner workings of something, then go and learn it before you call someone who has been there a liar. That is all. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 11:32:23 PM | Exactly what was this post supposed to prove?????
What it is supposed to prove is that not all officials are on bored and feel that certain rodeo events are humane. Isn't that the point of this thread and argument? People were asking for the anti rodeo people to provide some back up or proof that some rodeo events might be considered cruel. I think I did just that.
So, now that some one has found a credible source that doesn't agree or support rodeos as you say the SPCA does, you are going to get snotty about it and try to belittle the post? Interesting.
This topic was started about the BC rodeos, so I went to the BC sources.
On Edit: Thank you Backcountryme. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 11:48:26 PM | | I'm not getting snotty, but the post was all about Pamela Anderson's stand on rodeo....not exactly who I would consider an expert on livestock handling. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 6:30:02 AM | The post you quoted from has absolutely nothing to do with Pamela Anderson. It was taken directly from the BC SPCA's site. They are the ones involved with the topic of this thread. Her name was not mentioned in that article at all. In fact I didn't come across her name anywhere on the BC SPCA's site. The woman who was speaking is named in the rest of the article posted below. I somehow missed copying the entire article.
Vancouver Humane Society are the ones in contact with Pamela Anderson, but I feel they are also a reputable source, opposed to "cruel" rodeo events. I do agree that she is not an expert on livestock handling, but that does not mean she has not attempted to look into such events. I really do not know her education on the topic so I cannot say for sure what she knows or does not know.
Here is the rest of the BC SPCA's article:
Moriarty said she hopes parents will think twice before exposing their children to rodeo events. "We believe parents would be horrified to take their children to an event where the neck of a domestic animal was snapped in the name of 'family entertainment' and we hope people will show the same respect and concern for animals used in rodeos."
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For more information:
Marcie Moriarty, General Manager, Cruelty Investigations, BC SPCA,
604-647-1316, 604-258-8642 (cell);
Eileen Drever, Senior Animal Protection Officer, 604-834-7854.
My point being, with the end of this article, is that it is horrifying for kids to see, which is when I determinded it was upsetting for me too see. I also want to add wasn't a delicate fragile little flower of a girl growing up. I was a rough and tough, play with the boys over the girls, tomboy type. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 8:12:38 AM | Til tuesday...no one is arguing that accidents do not happen in rodeo and no one is arguing that when they do, they are tragic. No one here, no matter what they do for a living or what they enjoy as a pastime, wants to see animals injured.
More times than not, it is the humans that are seriously injured in rodeo events. Tragic events like the one in Cloverdale do not happen very often...but when they do they are blown way out of proportion by activists and media.
No one ever reports on how the animals are cared for on the ranches they come from. No one ever reports on how many animals are in rodeos every day and never get so much as a scratch. None of that is newsworthy.
I just can't join in the fight against events like this when this is only the second animal in that rodeos long history that had to be put down. One steer in 2004. One calf in 2007. Not exactly what I would call a genocide.
As far as kids seeing this kind of thing....as mentioned above, no one wants to see this happen...but my kids were raised to know that life is not all roses and sunshine. They know where their dinner came from and they know how it got from the pasture to their plate. My kids were all in 4-H, they have grown up around cattle and horses and they know about livestock. They have seen animals injured, they have seen animals die. It's all part of life. I don't care to shelter them from the reality of life or it will hit them too hard when they grow up.
There are a heck of a lot of things out there that are worth protesting and worth getting rid of...things that are actually cruel and abusive to animals....cock fighting, bull fights, puppy mills, the senseless slaughter of bears for their gallbladders. Rodeo simply is not in the same catagory.
Rodeo animals are not tortured or abused. They are well cared for and well fed . Their needs are all being provided for them...which, by definition, fits the rights of animals. They do not have their testicles cinched, they are not in pain....that is not why they buck. Bucking is what they do, it's in their blood...they are bred to buck. The calves used in roping events are only away from their mothers for a short time while they are in the arena...the cows are waiting in pens out back where they are usually just laying around eating and drinking.
The accidents that occasionally occur are just that...accidents.
Accidents and injuries happen every day...to cattle, to horses and to humans.
If I see abuse or cruelty, damn straight I will fight out against it....but rodeo is not abusive or cruel. I will take my kids to the rodeo in town this year, as we have for the past 15 years...and , just like the last 15 years, we will probably see a few cowboys get their butts kicked and see all of the animals head back safely to their pens.
If an animal does get injured, my kids know that sometimes bad things happen. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 8:52:21 AM | Each person has thier own definition of cruel. Calf roping to me, IS cruel. I can't imagine any animal enjoying getting roped like that. It is one event that I would have no problem seeing go.
I also have to ask, are you saying that the BC SPCA and Vancouver Humane Society are now activists lumped in with PeTA and that other Shark organization? I don't think so. Those are two societies that are there strictly for animal welfare, and if they are opposed to these events, then I feel there is definately something to it. Just because it has gone on decades upon decades doesn't make it right. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 10:02:40 AM | What I think is that those who run the SPCA in Vancouver more than likely have different views than those here in Alberta.....just as the attitude of most on the mainland are different than those in Alberta.
And yes, humane societies can definitely be at the leading edge of activism. The HSUS is one of the worst offenders I've ever seen...next to PETA.
The SPCA is about the only organization out there that I would ever support. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 10:18:12 AM | Yes, different views, different provinces, and different people. That is why they are getting rid of such events. The people in general out there have a different view. One that is not so much about themselves. More for the animals and "family friendly events."
I am not saying the animals are abused outside of the event, but I look upon the event as cruel and yes, even abusive. However, this is just my opinion.
The Humane society take in and help animals. They find homes for animals. They nurse or euthanize sick or injured animals. They find caring and loving homes for animals. I think they are no different from the SPCA. They both do the same thing in my opinion and I support both causes. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 10:24:07 AM | I have a question... Why is PETA so bad? They are trying to help little animals from the awful acts in which animals go through. This whole thread got me really wanting to make a difference some how. I visited their site and even today I was even brought to tears the way that sheep and cows are brutally hurt for wool and leather ( I know different thread because we are talking about rodeos) but it shows footage of humans slicing their necks or beating them with a stick, cutting their limbs off while they are still alive, breaking their tails to get them to move, rubbing chillies in their eyes to "make them more alert", make them walk for days with no food or water, even grape juice I dont know which company but.. "In one shocking experiment, a juice company paid researchers to cut open dogs’ chests, intentionally damage critical arteries in order to induce blood clots, and pump the animals full of grape juice. Afterward, they collected blood samples by “fresh puncture” of the dogs’ hearts to see the effect of grape juice on blood clots."
So what is SOOO wrong with PETA if they are trying to stop this animal cruelty?? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 10:34:16 AM | The bigest thing about PeTA is that they show all this, yet they will do nothing to actually help the animals. The cry foul but when asked to help with animals that are in need. In one case ( I posted the link in an earlier post) they refused to help cattle that were starving because of extreeme weather conditions. Their thinking was that the cattle was going to be killed for food anyway, so why help them. I have yet to see where PeTA has ever taken animals that were abused and nursed them back to health. I have no respect for an oranization that says they are there to help animals, but will turn down animals in need.
Edit. If you really want to do someting to help animals, go volunteer at the animal shelter. Or become a foster home for ARF or some other organization. That is where the help is really needed. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 10:41:09 AM | | Well if that is the case then this makes them hypocrites (errm..spelling)... Which I do not agree with either, but I still commend them for taking some form of a stand. They gave a good idea to write to the editor of a local newspaper, maybe I will do that. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 11:21:31 AM | I very much agree with backcountryme's post. Thats where the humane societies and PeTA differ. I totally support SPCAs and Humane Societies. They DO help animals and take them in or if they are beyond help they euthanize. PeTA is a whole other story and I have never really looked into them let alone supported them or gave donations. I felt they had enough help and attention from the likes of Pam Andeson and other stars.
Another place to volunteer is the MEOW foundation. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 11:44:05 AM | Ooopsie daisy is a good place to help for the dog lovers.
My friend got her husky from them. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 3:01:38 PM | Because PETA lies to get money from people.
Because PETA does nothing to actually help animals in danger.
Because many PETA members are crazy right wing extremists who threaten people's lives and put letter bombs in family's mailboxes.
Can you explain to me exactly how sheep are brutally hurt by giving us wool?????
Yet another example of animal rights bullsh!t.
I raised sheep, I have shorn sheep...IT DOES NOT HURT THEM !!!!!!!!
It is a hair cut for crying out loud !!!!!!
Does it hurt you to cut your hair???? Is it cruel to cut your hair??????
Who exactly is supposed to be doing these things to which animals??? What a load of garbage....really.
Cattle are not slaughtered by slitting their throats...although, essentially, it is a humane way to die.
You do not beat livestock with a stick if it is to be used for human consumption...it bruises the meat and causes adrenaline to get into the muscle tissue...thus making the meat tough. Ditto for cutting off limbs while they are still alive....it is not done, there is no point in doing it and it would ruin the carcass.
Why exactly do they want their sheep and cattle to look more alert??? Rubbing chillies in their eyes sure as heck wouldn't do it !!
Please, if you do nothing else....DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SEE OR READ ON ANIMAL ACTIVIST SITES. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 3:10:52 PM | ahhhh yes
god bless all of you Alberta farmers who are numb to the feelings of other living creatures...... 
funny how repeated contact and $$$$$ numbs the senses
I think the point is that it really, really is not nessasary for people to run after an animal, force it to the ground and' rope it up' as some bizzard type of entertainment.
example
If i saw someone running after my cat and wresting it to the ground and tying it up ,I would beat that person.
I don't think a baby calf deserves that kind of treatment either | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 3:15:43 PM | Guitarman, excuse me, but none of us are numb to the feelings of other living creatures. For god sakes, I gave five years of my life to saving the lives of feedlot-bound horses...so don't even go there with me buddy.
Can you tell me please which of us are making money from rodeo stock???
I'd love to know...really.
If I saw someone running after a cat, wrestling it to the ground and tying it up, I'd probably call the cops..and then the mental hospital in Ponoka.
5 pound cat....200 pound calf.
Yeah, fair comparison.
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Posted: 6/4/2007 3:40:05 PM | yes, it is absolutely a fair comparison
ANY animal that is has to go through that, would experience distress
REGUARDLESS if one animal is 7 lbs and the other is 200 lbs
so yes it is a fair comparision
the point is............it is a very unnessasary activity
Rodeos expoit animals for 'our entertainment' just like circuses do | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:11:24 PM |
Can you explain to me exactly how sheep are brutally hurt by giving us wool?????
Yet another example of animal rights bullsh!t.
I raised sheep, I have shorn sheep...IT DOES NOT HURT THEM !!!!!!!!
It is a hair cut for crying out loud !!!!!!
Does it hurt you to cut your hair???? Is it cruel to cut your hair??????
I seen the clips with my own 2 eyes!!! And you can't tell me these were not real clips and that they were altered. Watching a cow fall off of a truck in India where there is no ramp or their eyes poked out because humans put double or triple the amount of cows into the same truck all cramped together. As for the sheep I seen it with my own 2 eyes as well. In austraila they use dull knives and remove their wool some cutting into the skin so they bleed.
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/pink_wool_video?qp_source=pinkpetagen
Who exactly is supposed to be doing these things to which animals??? What a load of garbage....really.
Cattle are not slaughtered by slitting their throats...although, essentially, it is a humane way to die.
AND Yes they are slautered by slitting their throats its what is called Halal (in the muslim religion) this is how their God ordered them to kill an animal and as they slit the throat they say, "Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim". Which means in the name of Allah (God) or something of this nature (it's been a while since I studied the religion).
So you obviously don't know EVERYTHING you seem to portray in this thread. They also beat them with a stick to keep them moving (keep in mind this is not in north america) these are foriegn countries so maybe they were raised differently than we are here. Lets see if I can find the cow one and trust me watch the entire clip (if you have the stomach for it, and the guts grab your box of tissue though, its a tear jerker for sure!)
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/US_indian_leather?qp_source=usindianleathergen | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:14:37 PM |
yes, it is absolutely a fair comparison
ANY animal that is has to go through that, would experience distress
REGUARDLESS if one animal is 7 lbs and the other is 200 lbs
so yes it is a fair comparision
the point is............it is a very unnessasary activity
Rodeos expoit animals for 'our entertainment' just like circuses do
THANK YOU Guitarman!!!!! Well said!! :)  | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:23:23 PM | | It is hard to draw a comparison to the way things are done in another country versus the way they are done here. There are a different set of laws as well as customs. In some countries they eat dogs, and think that it is wrong to keep them as pets. Anyhow, it is brutal what is done in many places around the world, but those have nothing to do with rodeos. Anyhow, opinions are opinions, and we all have our own. And guitar man, is it not cruel to extract the mother of pearl that many guitar makers put in the frets of their guitars? How about the use of rare exotic woods? Just a thought? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:29:17 PM | | Ha ha Jay, yeah I saw that too. Her performance was awsome. Don't get me started. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:31:17 PM | | Janalta: Idon't recall saying I didn't want to be associated with groups like Peta - what post was that? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:35:17 PM | I think that this thread is at a stand still. Some agree with rodeos and some do not, we could go on forever and ever. Everyones opinion matters whether we agree with eachother or not. So why don't we all call it a truce and move onto another thread? Other wise we will all keep putting our two cents in and keep the flame fueling because really we all know we will never agree with one another so its like crying over spilled milk, instead we should be cleaning the milk up and making a difference in our lives and the lives of others (including animals) or what ever cause you are FOR (hungry children, homeless, teaching others to read) what ever... And fight the battle you deem worth fighting for, and not just some words on the net (because talk is cheap) and as Ghandi so elegantly put it, "be the change you wish to see in the world."
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:37:58 PM | I have to ask then:
In your statements you say
<div class="quote">no one is arguing that accidents do not happen in rodeo and no one is arguing that when they do, they are tragic. No one here, no matter what they do for a living or what they enjoy as a pastime, wants to see animals injured.
More times than not, it is the humans that are seriously injured in rodeo events. Tragic events like the one in Cloverdale do not happen very often...but when they do they are blown way out of proportion by activists and media......
....I just can't join in the fight against events like this when this is only the second animal in that rodeos long history that had to be put down. One steer in 2004. One calf in 2007. Not exactly what I would call a genocide.
So 1) you are admitting that animals DO sometimes get hurt because of the Rodeo.
2) you are saying that because it isn't a large percentage of animals that get hurt that it is ok.
Is this correct?
EDIT: Ok, let's agree than to dissagree..... and move on ---- I and another girl started anti-rodeo groups on facebook anyhow. Those opposed can voice there.
But in closing, I think anything that gets people discussing issues, whether it gets passionate or not is good for this world IMHO. | |
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