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 becketlady

Joined: 1/30/2007
Msg: 76
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 4:16:38 PM
mmmmmmm interesting posts here.
guess I have not been in this position. I was told I am too nice to people. I would like someone that is too nice and mean it all the way toward with me.
 i feel great

Joined: 3/16/2007
Msg: 77
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 4:28:43 PM
thats why you deserve a guy that cheats and is rotton to you because your a worthless trashy female.
 originalguy

Joined: 6/17/2006
Msg: 78
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Posted: 5/31/2007 5:18:47 PM
I see it this way, You meet someone who is nice and attractive, male or female, they are honest with you and you have enough things in common, you enjoy each others company, she is relatively well put together and so are you, she has her faults and you have yours, but each is mature enough to overlook them.

You want the same things out of life, maybe a child or two, and some personal enjoyment too. So you try your best to keep filling up the cup with nice words thoughts and gestures and she appreciates your efforts. Yes there is chemistry, attraction and each of you find your role, like I do the bbq and you make the salad, whatever. SO being nice to one another is where it is and sharing love and being there for each other is too.

If someone dumps you for being nice and sincere then they have other interests or maybe issues, so let it go and move on. You may want to dump them if they give you alot less in return as they may be using you. I have experienced that and have all the cheap gifts they gave me and the retrospect memories that go along with it.

It takes alot of work to make it with a worthy partner and it should always be given back from either side.
 FabulousSmile

Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 79
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 5:27:27 PM
to @message 79 >>>who are you talking to like that? are you a wee bit bitter? I guess you are from the looks of your profile. It reeks of negative attitude.


look what ever happen to courtship? seems many want instant graditfication, well its not realistic, doesnt anyone know this by now. to many will pass another up just because of a certain something...lets face it...we have flaws too seems so ridicoulous and without giving that person a chance, how do you know theyre not the one? without giving the time an day to one another and growing together, you will never find that true love. to those who pass one up and lingure from person to person, seems they have no idea what they are looking for in the other. but this is just my 2 cents worth.
 hopefloats_777

Joined: 5/13/2007
Msg: 80
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 5:38:08 PM
Here's one for you. Why do men dump nice women? Internet dating=a sometimes disposable online society. Dump her via email, text, convenient and mean, move onto the next woman online.
 jacko_all

Joined: 7/29/2005
Msg: 81
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 5:51:44 PM
Here's my 2 cents:

I bet it has to do with the alpha male complex.

Many alpha males assume right and assert themselves as "I am superior, be lucky I am even seen with you."
This seems to give a female a "What's wrong with me? Will I screw up and scare off this great guy?"

Honestly, I have no idea how this works.

I have a friend that does this. He is a hit with knockout women. I call him an ***hole they call him a stud. WTF?!?

I find the women he attracts weak willed and self conscious to a fault. Easily manipulated by a few tokens of affection. They are not women I want.

I will not degrade or demean a woman to feel superior. I believe in unity, equality and hard work for a relationship to be sucessful. Building each others dreams together.
To me this, although more subtle, is by far the more superior approach. In the end I get a woman confident in herself, not manipulated or motivated by vanities, and wholesome. Much better than a pushover wouldn't you think?

My question...

Does such a woman even exist? If so, what's her #?

I should love to take her on a lovely evening for 2...
 darky64

Joined: 4/18/2007
Msg: 82
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Posted: 5/31/2007 5:57:01 PM
Some folks may not admit it, but I dont like a "yes" woman just as much as women dont like a "yes" man. I've seen a yes woman in the form of my best friends girl, and he treats her like absolute crap....he's almost completely selfish. Parts of her family have alienated her because they cant deal with how he treats her with a closed mouth.

I was a victim of being a yes man as well, being everything to a woman at the cost of losing myself, it was like a dinosaur being with a jellyfish....a complete and total invertebrate. But to answer your question, meeting via online sites kind of allow you to be really impersonal....most of the time meaning dumping one and going to the next without breaking a sweat, as well as not giving a damn. Can't speak for anyone, but even doing that would be a mite difficult for me.
 gurudaddy

Joined: 5/5/2007
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Posted: 5/31/2007 6:08:44 PM
You could always ask him if he would shave for you...It might be a little embarrassing but I can tell you it would hurt a lot less than being dumped...I know from personal experience...
 Gators

Joined: 3/25/2007
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Posted: 5/31/2007 6:15:04 PM
Here is the deal .. I have had two different women recently that approached me saying they thought I was sexy ... both where very hot , had their shizt together .. but as soon as I started being nice they changed their tune .. not saying all women are like this .. but some like to be treated like your not into them , ignore them etc ..
 DJChickie401

Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 5/31/2007 6:20:54 PM
I will not degrade or demean a woman to feel superior. I believe in unity, equality and hard work for a relationship to be sucessful. Building each others dreams together.
To me this, although more subtle, is by far the more superior approach. In the end I get a woman confident in herself, not manipulated or motivated by vanities, and wholesome. Much better than a pushover wouldn't you think?

Oh yeah, it's way better. Good for you - the wait might be a bit longer but it'll be worth it if you are a balanced person. Kissing azz and complimenting is overbearing and naturally being disrespectful will attract needy approval seeking women. Be yourself and treat as you would want to be treated from the heart and you will attract the same.
 SweetNTuff

Joined: 5/24/2007
Msg: 86
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 6:21:23 PM
He din't say B$%^h, did he? He left it open so fill in the blanks......makes it even worse...

I agree with you girl, 110%...
THIS is not acceptable...(Insult)
 Always Smiling36

Joined: 1/3/2007
Msg: 87
Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
Posted: 5/31/2007 6:27:06 PM
Why do they do this?

The author of this article has nailed it I believe;

http://www.outpostnine.com/editorials/mating3.html


Mating Rituals III - For The Guys
So, love is a game. What's new?

And please, please don't give me that "It's not a game! You just have to be yourself" bullshit. Because there are plenty of nice guys at home alone right now because they don't know how to play the game. It's sad, really.

I have learned the game. The hard way. Trial by fire and what not. And hoo-boy, was there a lot of fire. But I'm afraid that my past experiences, coupled with my thorough understanding of the system...have lead me to despite it to its very core. Really. I think its silly and stupid. This attitude will keep me single, but I can't seem to care.

However, instead of let all this wonderful knowledge go to waste, I have decided to pass it on. Because I know what a lot of you guys are going through. And I'd like to save you from it, if I can. It's hell, that I wish upon no man. Plus, it would be a shame to let all this stuff just go to waste. So now, I present to you, lonely guys across the world, a simple look into the intracies of the dating game.

Think of it as a spectrum...

"Nice Guy"|----------------------------------|Middle Ground|----------------------------------|"Jerk"

The ends of the spectrum are the extreme. On one end, you have the nice guy. Sweet, charming, loveable...but highly dependent, lacks self-confidence, highly insecure, etc. Basically, whipped. On the other end, you have the jerk...rude, selfish, outspoken, but also confident, secure, and very independent. It is those last three qualities (confidence, self-security, independence) that women are most attracted to.

It's important to note how women react to the spectrum. Women are emotionally attracted to the nice guys. These are the guys who they'll come to for emotional support - they'll be open and honest with them, and even expose their secrets and what not. But women are physically attracted to the other end - the extreme right, the jerk end. It's not that they like jerks specifically, just the qualities they possess by nature (strength, security, independence...).

So what do women want? Ideally, they want a guy who falls in the middle ground - is nice, sweet, caring, but also is confident, independent, etc. When women say "Nice guys are hard to find", they are talking about the middle ground guys, who admittedly are a bit rarer than your average nice guy/jerk. Oftentimes, if they can't find that middle ground guy, they'll work on averages...get their physical needs from the extreme right, their emotional from the extreme left, and that will give her a middle ground of sorts. Or, women will start from the extreme right, the jerk end, and then try to bring the guy down to middle ground by "changing" him. They start on that end because that is what is attractive to them.

How do I get to middle ground?

Middle ground all depends on you. If you're one of those guys who is chronically lonely, and you think having a girlfriend will make you happy, guess what? You're an "extreme left" nice guy. You are emotional support only. The funny thing about this system is that if you truly and honestly don't care about having a girlfriend, then you will be in a good position to get one. Its like a catch-22. You have to be happy with yourself above all else - you absolutely positively cannot rely or depend on someone else to bring you happiness. Once you have the self-security, the confidence will follow, and you will be the type of person you need to be, relationship be damned.

You just need to realize that the only person that can truly make you happy...is you. Personally, I have faith in nobody...people are unreliable and overrated. That probably puts me closer to the extreme right. But, a lot more women notice me now than when I was extreme left. I don't even need or want them! Back to the catch-22.

I think I'm a middle ground kind of guy. But I still fall in the Friend Zone™. Why?

If you are middle ground, but you exhibit too many nice guy qualities, you will send nice guy signals to her, and she'll nudge you over to the extreme left. So, you'd be there emotionally, but never physically. Friend Zone. Basically, if you are in the middle ground, you need to showcase more jerk signals than nice guy signals. Is there too much of an extreme right? I honestly don't know. I flat out told one girl that I hated relationships and all women were evil, and that made her want me more. Go fig. But, if you're wondering what some of those signals are that will push you more to the extreme left than to the right, here are...

Common Mistakes Guys Make in Pursuit of Girls

You say: "I'd like to be involved in a serious relationship right now/I'm looking for that special someone."
You think: You are communicating your maturity and your readiness for a relationship. You are telling her that you are prime for the taking.
She thinks: You are dependent and insecure. You need a girlfriend in order to be happy. She will be the sun to your universe - if she doesn't have time for you, or just doesn't want to see you on a particular occasion, it'll crush your world. And no one wants to have that kind of person around them.
What you should do: Don't say you want to be in a relationship. The attitude you should carry is "If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, fine. I don't care either way." This shows her that you are independent and secure with yourself. This is attractive to her.

You say: "I'm really lonely right now/women just don't find me attractive for some reason."
You think: You can get some sympathy from her, and that's a warm feeling, right? Plus, you're showing her that being an "undiscovered jewel" so to speak, she won't have any competition in nabbing you for herself.
She thinks: If other women don't like you, why should she? Plus, sympathy is a nice emotion...but the root of sympathy is pathetic, and pathetic is not attractive. Pathetic gets you in the FZ in no time flat.
What you should do: You should lead a healthy social life. Or at least, appear to. By all means, do NOT talk about your exploits with other women around her. That's a big no-no. But you should have other friends that you do things with. If she's going to be all you've got, again, that's waaaaay too much burden for her to bear.

She says: "I don't think I'm as pretty as other girls/I look terrible today/I'm not that attractive" or some other such statement designed to fish for a compliment.
You say: "What? You are very pretty/you always look good/you are very attractive" ...basically, giving her the compliment she was fishing for.
You think: You're making her feel good, and communicating your interest by showing how highly you think of her.
She thinks: How nice. What a good friend. See the problem? Now she knows that she has your approval, and doesn't have to work for it. Plus, anytime she doubts herself she can come to you for instant support.
What you should do: You can compliment her...but only when its warranted. If you go out to a fancy restaurant and she's dressed up, tell her how beautiful she looks. Once. Don't overdo it - if you run into her, and she's wearing a sweater and her pajama bottoms, don't tell her how beautiful she looks. Again, you're not here for emotional support. Not yet. Emotional support leads straight to the FZ.

"I Just Want to Make Her Happy" - Weak Wallet Syndrome - You constantly buy her things...from lunch/movie, dinner, maybe she sees a stuffed animal she thinks is cute, and you bust out your wallet and buy it.
You think: You are making her happy, and showing what a stand-up guy you are.
She thinks: You are so insecure, you have to buy people's approval. Which, if you think about it, is kind of true.
What you should do: Keep your wallet in check. You can do that kind of thing maybe once in a while, but make it rare. You shouldn't give off the vibe that you have to buy her approval...she should like you for who you are, $$ is irrevalent. If she sees something she likes, don't buy it on the spot for her. Come back later, buy it, and give it to her after some time has passed. She will be impressed by your thoughtfulness, and even more impressed that you remembered. If you buy it on the spot, not only does it not have that great effect, but it might put you in the FZ/just weird her out.

"I Just Want to Make Her Happy" 2 - Sucker Syndrome - You are doing her favors. Especially ones where you have to go out of your way. You help her study for a class you're not even taking. You give her a ride, when it's in the opposite direction. You help her set up her computer, which takes hours out of your day. ...You get the idea.
You think: You're showing your committment to her through all these nice things. And again, what a nice guy you are.
She thinks: Just like buying her stuff, except now with time and effort instead of money.
What you should do: Again, you shouldn't be trying to buy her approval. She should like you for your own merits, not what you do for her. You can do her a favor occasionally, but make sure it's on a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" basis - you expect her to return the favor at some point. For example, you buy her lunch one day, and make sure to mention that now she owes you lunch at some point in the future. And hell, collect that free lunch. You get the idea. Again, this shows your independence and confidence in yourself. If she were to become interested in you, it would be an equal relationship, not just you always trying to please her. Being pampered might be fun as a novelty for a while, but no woman wants that - she wants a partner, not a worshipper.

Over-committment to Her...ie Flake Syndrome - She asks what you're doing tonight. You tell her that you have plans with some of your other friends. Disappointed, she tells you she asked because she was hoping you two could do something. You offer to break your plans with your friends so you can go out with her.
You think: You get an opportunity to spend some time with her, and that's not bad, right? Plus, you're showing her how important she is to you.
She thinks: You're way too dependent. She wants her boyfriend to be a part of her life, not her life. You should be an addition, not a takeover. She wants to be able to go out with her friends without you if she wants, and to have time alone now and then. If you're breaking plans with your friends for her, then you'll expect the same from her, and she's not sure she wants to do that. Plus, if you can break your plans with your friends, how long until you're breaking your plans with her?
What you should do: Mirror her disappointment that you two couldn't go out tonight, but make plans for another night. Then and there. Something definite. Get a day at the very least - "What about next Saturday?" If she's interested in you, she will find a way to meet you in the middle.

Conversely, don't give too much preference to your friends. If she runs into you and your friends somewhere, don't be cold to her. Smile, be friendly, and tell her you'll call later. You don't want to drop your friends completely for her, so keep it brief and deal with her on your own time.

Deference of Choice - You two make plans. You ask her "Where do you want to go for dinner/what kind of movie do you want to see?" etc... She hits you with the female Old Reliable™, "I don't know." You then start trying to figure out what she wants, by giving her options, trying to get her to pick something.
You think: You are being sensitive to her needs by giving her preference, trying to determine what she wants.
She thinks: You are indecisive and slow to action. Not attractive.
What you should do: Offer her a choice initially, sure. After she hits you with "I don't know" (I reeeeeeeeally hate that, BTW), already have something in mind. Pick it. "Well then, I've always wanted to try so-and-so/I really like this, lets...." Make a decision. If she doesn't like it, she'll let you know. If she doesn't, then that's her fault for not saying anything. But either way, she'll admire your decisiveness. If you are asking her out, try to have several choices already in mind...if you ask her to dinner, have at least 3-4 restaurants ready to go...recommend the first, and if she objects, keep going until you get to one she doesn't have a problem with.

Too Much Too Fast - You really like this girl. You can't stop thinking about her...and you just met her yesterday! You call everyday, or every other day. You call her immediately after dates. You want to see her as often as possible. You're already gushing about how great she is. And so on...
You think: You're showing her how much you like her, thus opening the gates for a potential relationship.
She thinks: Back off partner. You're getting Kathy Bates "Misery" weird. She doesn't want you to consume her life. Plus, you're very dependent, and she will be the pillar of support you depend on. Nobody wants to carry around that weight.
What you should do: Remember that as a potential future boyfriend, you would supplement her life, not take it over. Start small. Especially initially, you should always let a few days pass before making contact again. If you go out on a date on a Saturday, call her again on Monday or Tuesday (personally, I'd go Tuesday). Don't be so thrilled about her - you two barely know each other! Show her that you're interested, but you still need to know more about her before you get head over heels. Coming around too much can really ruin things...I saw this one guy completely destroy his chances with this girl because he text messaged her every day, sometimes 2-3 times a day. She was really interested too, but after that it was just too much and she hit him with "let's just be friends." Poor **stard.

"Issues" - You're getting comfortable with this girl. You like her a lot. Subsequently, you decide to open up with her. Start sharing about your thoughts and feelings. Tell her about all the things that's going on in your life. And she does the same, trusting you with "secrets" and always saying how comfortable she is around you.
You think: You two are growing closer...so the relationship must be around the corner.
She thinks: "Yay! Emotional support! A friend! Now I need to go find some jerk to ****."
What you should do: Do NOT let the issues start to come out while dating. Keep your blasted mouth shut, even if she starts to pry. If she starts talking about her own, head that shit off at the pass. Issues are for much later, when the relationship has been established and solidified. If you let the issues come out now, yeah, you'll grow closer, but in that whole emotional support context. She will not be attracted to you. You will own the Friend Zone. Dates are simply for having fun and getting to know each other better.
 Butterfly92

Joined: 10/6/2006
Msg: 88
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Posted: 5/31/2007 6:36:15 PM
INSURGENT 4 YOU: "Men who put women on pedestals, tend to want to look up their skirts...lol..."

This cracked me up .......

Been there ......done that.......wore the t-shirt. Should have worn pants !!!!!

But in defense of all guys ......luckily it's just a few .........
 Quest for Love

Joined: 10/14/2006
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Posted: 5/31/2007 8:38:41 PM
i can think of a couple of incidents with nice guys where they messed up....their mistake, and refusal to acknowledge it, was a grave error on their part, which led me decide that i didn't want to be with them anymore. thinking on it a little more....there were subtle signs or clues before this that went unnoticed, yet, registered in the back of my brain, forgotten, yet beckoned by the 'nice' bf, when similar behavior occurred yet again. and then one day...boom! its over. so it could be that there are little niggling dissatisfactions niggling in the back of our minds and then one day recognition of the behavior...she figures out what is bugging her and then kaboom....its over. just like that.

little things begin to pile up, to build up, and when it is brought to Your attention and You refuse to listen, to understand and to apologize and MEAN it when you say you messed up or you were wrong....could mean the end of the relationship....without apologies and forgiveness relationships won't last. you do make mistakes....you are not perfect...so admit you were wrong when called out on it.
 Quest for Love

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Posted: 5/31/2007 8:48:31 PM
we know something is not right, even when we don't know what it is or can't figure it out at the time...just something is wrong or not quite right.
 YourDarkAngel

Joined: 6/14/2005
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Posted: 6/1/2007 2:18:29 AM

uglybetty:
I didn't think you played hard to get, I just figured you were doing the ignore thing most men do as they are usually trying to avoid hurt feelings. Sorry from your post it seemed like you weren't telling them straight out. My mistake.


Not a problem.
 spiritfillup03

Joined: 12/3/2006
Msg: 92
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Posted: 6/1/2007 3:17:54 AM
Always Smiling36 ...brilliant! Thanks for posting that...even though I know it's for the guys to read...you are one of the few who did and then shared it with the forum..this is an excellent read...just wish that some of those "nice guys" and "jerks" who are b*tching about there broken hearts or their broken egos take the time to read this and start doing things differently..becoming more middle ground...and then they will become more appealling to those woman who do have their sh*t together...there are some men who actually get this and I hope to meet him one day. I have been a sucker to both ends of the spectrum...but I won't give up...I'm still learning...as we all should be. Again thankyou
 barraabus

Joined: 4/15/2007
Msg: 93
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Posted: 6/1/2007 3:22:07 AM
Simple .. ...... because they're stupid,, they prefer to bellyache about the ones who treat them like shit...
 paul1066

Joined: 10/2/2006
Msg: 94
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Posted: 6/1/2007 3:31:24 AM
Bullshit sponika1, thats probably why the guy was being so nice is because he was an ugly
bugger, if you think she's a **** then your a Prick!! your the sort of cringing coward who can say this safe behind a computer, get my drift, you ugly buggers should seek out ugly women then we'd all be happy, and you lot wouldnt have to be nice to them and get hurt,
simple!!
 DJChickie401

Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 6/1/2007 4:27:02 AM
Alwayssmiling36: Great article and so true. I might cut and paste that one for the next 5000 nice guy threads that get posted.

Simple .. ...... because they're stupid,, they prefer to bellyache about the ones who treat them like shit...

LOL...so many bitter men out there who feel this way, and don't ever see the common demoninator. I suspect they all took math growing up yet they never apply it to life.
 belgarion

Joined: 10/29/2005
Msg: 96
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Posted: 6/1/2007 5:12:19 AM

Treat her nice. Do things for her she says no man has done before? Get wobbly knees when she comes downstairs dressed for dinner and she says no man has ever reacted like that before... they just expect it.
Yet alas... not wanting this man who treats her so good.

Fear is the most prominent emotional reaction I find. Fear of the unknown. Fear of swimming in new waters. When one has only seen the world through one set of eyes, they tend to fear that which is different, and unfamiliar.
I think you may be reading something into your comment of ' they just expect it '. What exactly is it you think they expect? For you to be nice? For you to buy them things?
If you look at giving with the veiw of expecting something in return for your kindness, then you are missing the whole point of the giving gesture.
 Goddess of dreams

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Posted: 6/1/2007 6:42:35 AM
I will never do that to a nice man who I fall in love with NEVER if he is nice I will fall more and more in love. Being nice is a sweet spell..

But if I don't like the man romanticaly from the start I will runaway so he won't get hurt

 GCassanova757

Joined: 5/4/2007
Msg: 98
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Posted: 6/1/2007 7:18:29 AM
Here's a secret. Everyone wants what they don't have. If they already have it, they don't want it. We are attracted to what we want, what we focus on. We all live in a society where "nice" and "polite" is the norm. Therefore, I'd say 95% of all men in a women's life are "nice" to them by default.

The key is...to be a confident guy.

Next time you feel yourself about to have a "nice guy" moment - STOP. Don't do it. Trust me, at that moment the relationship/conversation will continue without your "special" act of kindness.

Reread that last sentence. The relationship/conversation will continue. Isn't this what you want in the first place?
 * Succinct *

Joined: 5/12/2007
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Posted: 6/1/2007 7:23:32 AM
you're all insane - too much thinking being put into something that should be easy and natural ... POF = plenty of frauds
 Richard678

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Posted: 6/1/2007 7:25:44 AM
Because they are just plain stupid. Maybe they would like it better if the guys beats the crap out of them.
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