| | Would you be prepared to die for your countryPage 3 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | Definately not, they wouldnt do anything for me that s why my neighbour and other folk I know have gone abroad to live because of the state its in. Just to get a passport to get out of his hole for a fortnihgt, has cost me 2 full birth certificates cos heaven forbid the one at the registry office will do! and yet if i was a foreigner id be in ere like a shot with all the trimmings to match. So NO i wouldnt Id emigrate if any other country was relaxed with their laws as we stupid lot am.
Good question by the way. | |
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| Would you be prepared to die for your country
Posted: 6/6/2007 11:49:15 AM | The biggest question here, i think, is.. take a second to think.. what is your country?
OK now i am no BNP supporting skin head or anything but sorry i am not dying for my country, i will die in the fight to save what i believe in maybe... morals.. my family.. the right to a truthful education even, a brighter future, but never for that well used phrase 'my country', sorry that excuse has been wheeled out too many times now and each time its been used, its been exposed as fake and phoney, sorry.. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2007 12:27:31 PM | | i would go to war to defend my family and the people i love....but i do not see why i should go to war just because some politician decides he wants to stay buddies with his american lover | |
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Posted: 6/6/2007 3:47:51 PM |
and why are all you chicks answering, youll be at home having kids with the resistance and making guns and stuff and stuff !!
cheep cheep, chicks, suddenly grown feathers have I???? lol
I see a lot of people have said no, and I am going to say shame on you, this country went to war, thousands of our people died to protect a way of life, to protect our values, our morals, and you sit back and you watch as it is being slowly eroded, what did these brave men and women die for? for this, for their descendants to sit back and say well feck it we don't like what is going on, and how our society is slowly declining in to hell and we allow it because we don't think it is worth standing up for, let the politicians and the PC Brigade have their way, it's not worth fighting for, whether that is going to war or standing up for the values we as country hold. remembrance Sunday, is for us to pay our our respects to those who lost their life in defending this country, and they gave their life willingly so we can all sit here today, we owe it to their memory, to what they gave up for us, What gets me is the me me me attitude, if it doesn't directly effect me I couldn't care less, I love my country, old fashioned maybe, What I would like to know is why those men gave their life for this, because by you sitting there in my opinion and saying there is nothing worth fighting for those that died may as very well have stayed at home and let Britain be invaded. You're not happy with the way things are, instead of moaning and grumbling stand and up and do something. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2007 4:05:23 PM | Big respect to all service men / women who are / ave served for their country.
Not really something that I ever fancied doing, just to chicken if I'm honest.
But, going with the majority (of yes with buts) if there was an invading force either from another country or world that would threaten humanity as a whole or my nearest & dearest then I would sign up for sure.
Sure you'd need to go in with an open mind to the worst case. Potentially you would see / experience some things that would change your life forever. There would however be a clear sense of duty and that you had done "your bit". | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 12:53:22 AM | Having just retired after 22yrs , 15 of which were spent in conflicts around the globe i can tell you with confidence that YES i would but before you make your decision consider the following.
modern warfare is distant and remote , it's almost playstation war so it's easy to press a button however there are situations and judgemant calls that require you to be face to face with potential enemys, could you actually make that decision to step back and kill in an instant and then carry on . i know a great many young soldiers who talk the talk then crap themselves and throw up at the first sign of trouble , this is not a weaknes but a harsh reality of war....
So dont Die for your country , LIVE for your country........! | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 2:59:19 AM | Nope ............ absolutely no way.
I have absolutely no faith in the politicians, the numerous hidden agendas and also the fact that they hide in their little concrete bunkers whilst all and sundry are being shipped out to some random country.
Although I have equal disdain for some of the despots like Gadaffi, Mugabe et al I do think that the western world is nothing but conceited for always thinking that it know best. Sure ..... chopping someone's hands off on TV for stealing some food is a bit over the top but so is giving a hoodie wearing ASBO bad boy an IPOD for simply turning up to school for a week on the trot. | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 4:10:38 AM | I would be prepared to die for my family. So if their lives were to be at threat, yes.... of course I'd die for them.
Therefore, I suppose it follows I'd be prepared to die for my country if that was the only way to protect them.
I lost relatives in two world wars, and probably most of us posting today have. The loss of their lives may seem futile to us today, so many young lives cut short hideously... and for what..?
I like to think it was for us to live in peace, as we have now for over sixty years (at least on our shores). We've been the lucky generations... there's so much fighting still going on in the world. I hope young people today never have to decide for real...
Ouma x | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 7:30:53 AM | Punkinpie wrote:
I see a lot of people have said no, and I am going to say shame on you, this country went to war, thousands of our people died to protect a way of life, to protect our values, our morals, and you sit back and you watch as it is being slowly eroded, what did these brave men and women die for?
I guess its difficult to tell in what context people have answered. I think you may have taken some of us out of context.
When I say I would not fight for my country I mean that I would not fight for the current 'regime' in the UK or fight in the name of their policies. You could say that I and others have the power to elect a better govt but I'm afraid the current one is quite probably the better of three evils. I totally agree with those who say we should respect those who fought in our name in the great wars (wars do not make one great - yoda!) but we were fighting the Nazis in WW2. You can't say we're in Iraq now because of the regime there or even because of the insurgents. anyone with a brain knows its about Oil and Western Economics. I would be prepared to defend the UK people but not in the name of its government. I am not prepared to fight for Bush's pay check either.
Three countries now trade their oil in Euros - France, Iraq and more recently Iran. Most of the rest of the world trade in US dollars. Did you notice France got just about the worst press in the USA after 9-11. The War in Irag speaks for itself. Oh and look who the Amreicans have decided to target next.
It would be a different story if China decided not to trade in USD anymore, wouldn't it. I don't think even the Bush Administration would dare take on the biggest military power on the planet.
Can of worms anyone? | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 9:35:24 AM |
guess its difficult to tell in what context people have answered. I think you may have taken some of us out of context
No I took it in the context it was meant, and I still stand by what I said.
When I say I would not fight for my country I mean that I would not fight for the current 'regime' in the UK or fight in the name of their policies. You could say that I and others have the power to elect a better govt but I'm afraid the current one is quite probably the better of three evils. I totally agree with those who say we should respect those who fought in our name in the great wars (wars do not make one great - yoda!) but we were fighting the Nazis in WW2. You can't say we're in Iraq now because of the regime there or even because of the insurgents. anyone with a brain knows its about Oil and Western Economics. I would be prepared to defend the UK people but not in the name of its government. I am not prepared to fight for Bush's pay check either.
I believe in the people of this country, I believe there is something left worth defending, be that from a foreign invader or our own politicians, Do I agree with the current government NO I don't, I think they have betrayed everything we as a country hold dear, and continue to do so, they have let the PC Brigade invade the politics of this country, and the EU dictate way to many of our policy's and laws, and the other two main parties are equally as bad, so there is no lesser of three evils, people don't like what is going on then it down to the people to do something instead of moaning about it, the problem is people have become disenchanted with British Politics that they don't see the point so the politicians do pretty much what they want regardless of what we want, The EU treaty that Toni Blair is to sign, he decided there would be no referendum but where are peoples objections, thousands of people disagree with it, but are so wrapped up in there own lives and the problems that incur with it, they moan they grumble but nothing gets done, you don't like the current government or the others then change it, stand up and fight for what you believe instead of burying your head in the sand. As for those that fought for the second world war, I had a conversation with a 92 year old gentleman who was at Dunkirk, and he asked me why he had fought, why had he seen his friends die, what was it all for, This for people to sit there to sit and say well I don't agree with the current regime but I'm not going to do anything about it, like I said you don't like it change it, if we were all to get together and stand up and protest at the state they were allowing our country to get into, they'd pay attention.
What has Iraq and the Bush administration got to do with the way this country is going? They are not to blame for the state this country is in, should we be out there NO, but we are, and as such are now obligated, nothing we can do to change that, but still that has nothing to with people allowing this government and previous governments and future governments become power mad. You want it to change, then change it, make us a country to be proud of, | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 11:34:47 AM | Re that last bit about me banging on about Bush etc. You're right, its got nowt to do with it really. I was just starting to rant abit, which I guess is the point of this forum.
As for sitting around and doing nothing about it - I'm not. I am emigrating in January. Done deal.
As for the thread title - maybe I should juts have said 'no' and thats it. | |
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Posted: 6/7/2007 11:44:03 AM |
You're not happy with the way things are, instead of moaning and grumbling stand and up and do something.
Such as? Peaceful protests & petitions are generally ignored by the government, unless they get nasty (a good example of this is what happened to the people on the Jarrow March, which I'm sure made some soldiers wonder what they'd been fighting for). Are you advocating violence or do you have something constructive to say? Remembrance Sunday is also about remembering how many people died needlessly in WWI, the Falklands and any number of other conflicts this country has sent its armed forces to which had nothing whatsoever to do with defending our home. When you remember you're also supposed to think about what occurred & perhaps learn from history. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 7:09:43 AM | i beleave in freedom if we was under threat of another country i say yes i domt want to see ppl who ever they maybe in death camps like they was in other parts of the world
but i do think they should all give up arms of war iwant tosee us all in peace living together and fighting for one thing saving this planet from extintion | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 7:48:52 AM | Given that half the populace of this country dont even bother to vote, I am not shocked by many of the cowardly excuses given above.
I served for 15 years 12 of them in a very active unit. We fought all over the world.
I hear all these lame asses saying I wouldnt fight in the gulf its all about oil! Yep absolutely and you think about that now, as you look at your monitor, which has a lot of plastic in it, when you go to the supermarket and are greeted with piles of goods both home grown and exotic, as you drive your car, shop, read, just about anything you consider, without oil there is none of it or it is severely curtailed or lives are built on it, therefore any threat to it is a threat to our very way of life.
You wont fight because politicians order it, are you that impotent that you dont understand the process of an ELECTED government, you put them there!
I am so glad that I spent so long protecting such a fine and upstanding group of people | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 8:03:48 AM |
I hear all these lame asses saying I wouldnt fight in the gulf its all about oil! Yep absolutely and you think about that now, as you look at your monitor, which has a lot of plastic in it, when you go to the supermarket and are greeted with piles of goods both home grown and exotic, as you drive your car, shop, read, just about anything you consider, without oil there is none of it or it is severely curtailed or lives are built on it, therefore any threat to it is a threat to our very way of life.
I dont think you can call ppl lame asses because they dont want to fight in propoganda stained conflicts with undertones of greed and corruption. Yeah so what if many things around us are about oil? The fact is that surely its a commodity that can be shared around in the world without the need for fighting over it,especially in conflicts that seem to about America wanting to tip the balance of world power in their favour.
I think you have being sucked into the military way of thinking about such conflicts.well I havent gone out to fight,nor do I want to,but I am quite sure I have just as much backbone and courage as you do..............and If I had to defend the country I would................I just dont want to get involved in wars that could of been avoided and have been a needless waste of human life.
(oh yeah PAAAAAARP to the Iraq war) | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 8:20:27 AM | Only if the UK was invaded because atm I wouldnt trust the current crop of politicians to wage war on people deserving it.
Fight for my country in my country, and maybe Eire cause I like the ladys there 
Come from a forces background so...... | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 10:24:20 AM | Well i have to say im marrid to a guy who does just that, and i have told him if he ever decided to leave the army id be straight in!!!
without a doubt id stand up to being british!!! | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 10:30:44 AM | | the short answer is yes but i'm not one of the people who are there;my best friend is a serving soldier of twelve years.the time for recriminations is after our brave forces come home fit and well.this country isn't the country i grew up in either;the PC brigade and the minorities who don't want to assimilate,in fact want to destroy what's left of this once great country have seen to that but we must show the forces we stand steadfast with them!!as for the treacherous excuse for an MP(thieving from an injured iraqi child is totally ethical!!NOT!!)he should be glad be glad he never spewed his bile about enemy combatants being RIGHT to kill our brave forces in either of the last two world wars or he'd have been executed at dawn.personally i'd have pulled the trigger on the lying,thieving terrorist apologist myself.he forgets it was our brave forces fighting at the somme ,el alamein and countless other hellholes who gave this slug his right to say that!! | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 10:49:40 AM |
Would you go to war, to defend the values that we believe in and to protect our way of life and what we hold dear?
Yes, unequivocally.
I was really annoyed that I was unable to sign up for the Falklands conflict. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 11:16:25 AM | Yes.
Even if I am Italian.
Yes because I chose to come and live here, yes because this country fed and clothed me, harboured my hopes and gave me a past, a present and a future I am grateful for. Yes because I believe in British values. Yes because I would rather d-i-e t-o-d-a-y than see it invaded, destroyed, humiliated. Yes because I believe that there is no "higher" than dieing for the country you chose to be your country. Yes because this is where my daughter lives. and yes because for everyone that says no, the weak, the poor and the powerless will die unprotected.
Would I die for Italy? Yes. A thousand times over.
Would I die for The West? Yes because that is My Home.
Defend your freedoms or see them perish.
And then...you will die anyway. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 11:37:47 AM | yes i would... it would be interesting to see if the ol'blighty spirit is still with the kids? i grew up watching war films (my dads a big fan) so i get a notion of what it means to defend your country
only problem is i dont think open ware fare is an option... but with terrorists, i think its only a matter of time before the country rips it self apart and we have localised pitch battles, gorilla against gorilla.
mark | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 12:06:06 PM | Yes of course and without hesitation,
Think of the scenario, you’ve been invaded, your women raped, your men and teens executed and some of you would do nothing because of your disagreement with government, sorry can’t take that too serious.
Those who said they would die for the ones you love; I commend you, would you die to save the young mother and her children across the road? Or would you just stand by and watch because it didn’t concern you.
It’s about survival and defence, is killing someone who is about to kill you murder? No its self defence and justified. Most soldiers don’t fight for the government; they fight because they signed on the line and believe in what they are trying to do, think back to Bosnia and protecting innocents from aggression.
To those who will fight for Scotland only, again I commend you; does this mean that you would find England fully justified leaving you to it? You can look after your own interests but I’m sure many don’t share your view and you will always share a minority view.
War of course is terrible and brings out the most primitive instincts in people, it’s dirty and it’s complicated, but I believe it’s morally right to protect those who are innocent. Those who were saying they would look out for themselves, interesting concept, but I’m sure you wouldn’t complain when the men and women of the forces come and save your self centered backsides.
Doesn’t matter what you think of your country, you are defending your lives and those about you, you could argue that in years to come there will be a class of civilisations in our country, don’t delude yourself that by not bearing arms that you will be spared, the fact of war is its bloody and full of hatred, of course its the weak who are the first to go.
Anyway that’s my thoughts, don’t expect agreement from certain sections but push come to shove I would still defend not only my country but you also so you have the right enjoy the freedoms you have now. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 12:55:28 PM | i agree wtih milk bandit
id be happy to defend my country if we were attacked but i wouldnt like to kill people to further the ambitions of politicians.
I think the whole war on terror thing is just a thinly disguised cover for getting control of oil.
I wouldnt like myself very much if my actions resulted in peoples deaths just so americans have better access to oil.
In war the idea isnt to die for your country, its to make the other guy die for his.
Its about killing not dieing. | |
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