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 passionteman

Joined: 3/7/2005
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Posted: 11/6/2009 4:44:52 PM
Goodgodgirl



It is my belief the Quran has been corrupted to facilitate the recruitment of innocents who are desperate to believe in anything.


- That definitely might be your "belief", but that's not the reality in Koran unless you have verses from the Koran in CONTEXT that you could quote for us on here to support your claim.

And...........

- Please avoid going on google and searching for stuff and copying and pasting it on here because then I will be asking you follow up questions that will require you to explain the history of the verse, what the reason was based on Islamic history to the reveleation of the verse, the time the verse was revealed and what its purpose was and all.



It is used to fuel hatred


- Again, you would need to back up your claims by providing verses from the Koran and I REPEAT that they must be IN CONTEXT where you would explain the verses, the time they were revealed, what the purpose was, history of the verse itself, situation the verse was revealed for etc.



and that is NOT the message of Christianity. Slice it how you will.


- I am sure you will be quoting something like this from google.


"Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)




Is there no redemption in Islam? No grace? And what of faith? ... Anyone??


- In Islam, everyone is responsible for their own sins. There is no such thing as original sin. Nobody carries someone else's sin or dies for someone else's sins. However, according to many verses in the Koran, it says that God is merciful, compassionate, forgiving etc. Therefore, Muslims can ask for forgiveness through prayer from God, acts of charity etc. That's one way to redeem yourself of sins. Thus, you are reponsible for saving yourself by doing great deeds in the world and not harming, hurting others, charity, prayer etc.


Plentyofdoubt



also when it comes down to it, there is too much bloodshed done in the name of a god for zealots to prove their god is right, its just not on,, bith christians and muslims have been killing over their damn books for thousands of years, its just stupid


- Could you provide some historical evidence as to the fact that Muslims have been killing Christians for thousands of years over their books? Any verses from the Koran where it dictates Muslims to go kill Christians?

- Please don't copy and paste google searches of verses on here unless you are ready to explain the context and history of the verses, why they were revealed, their purpose, meaning behind them etc. since I will be asking you to explain them if you did.



i believe in peace, so therefore i can only be an Atheist, to be any religion is just evil as they all stem from bloodshed


- Your profile says Lutheran. Am I smelling hypocrisy here?
 plentyofdoubt

Joined: 10/15/2009
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:38:09 PM

Your profile says Lutheran. Am I smelling hypocrisy here?


No, i was born a lutheran :)

For the rest, just turn on the news, see for yourself people are dying everyday over their socalled beliefs , i suppose religion is a good thing (in a way) it keeps the population down,
(slows down third world hunger)

so come on all you koran and bible bashers get out there and beat each other up :)
 passionteman

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Posted: 11/6/2009 7:35:45 PM
Plenty


No, i was born a lutheran :)


- If you were an atheist, you would mention "Non-religious" in your profile, wouldn't you?

But.............

I guess the traces of childhood Lutheran state has remained in ya.


For the rest, just turn on the news, see for yourself people are dying everyday over their socalled beliefs


- Just because someone has an Islamic name doesn't necessarily mean that he/she is following the religion. There have been millions of James, Peters and Johns around the world who don't even follow Christianity and work in gangs killing people etc.

So.............

How about we label those as "Christian Gangsters"? I wonder how CNN and FOX assume that if someone has an Islamic name, then they have done something because their religion has told him to do it without any proof.

I guess ASSSSSSUMPTIONS, eh? :)





i suppose religion is a good thing (in a way) it keeps the population down,
(slows down third world hunger)


-Hmmmmm. I smell lutheran terrorism here.
 abby156

Joined: 10/15/2007
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Posted: 11/18/2009 11:59:55 AM
I would like to understand the premise of jahiliyya and how it is applied today.
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