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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/4/2007 10:59:56 PM |
Ironic that one of the age-old Don Qixote windmills should be referred to
any amature inventors/scientists (sic)
. If the professionals can't defy laws of physics, maybe someone who dabbles in his spare time can!
Well it kinda makes sense... I mean we can look at these things a little calmer since our livelihood doesn't count on it, lol!
But seriously... Our definitions of the physical laws change with our understanding of them, not the other way around... There's an angle or two this hasn't been viewed from yet I'm sure... All input is valuable.
Sounds crazy I know, but I can almost feel it... Like it's been done or is about to be... Or both. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/5/2007 10:43:02 AM | Well, besides the problems of entropy (and forgetting about the energy consumed in producing the items), if you had a place with a lake, you could probably gather wave energy, which would be responsible for mechanizing a clock to turn a solar panel during the day, which could be used to kick start some turbines....
I'd like to do that. I'd also like to take 3 grand and upgrade a diesel engine to burn used cooking oil. I'd grow a lot of my own vegetables. That would be cool. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/6/2007 7:25:22 PM | Ok i get everyone when they say we cant get something for nothing , the laws of phyisics may be flexable but lets assume they are not and that conventional theory is true and the laws of physics are true has it ever accoured to anyone that these laws still allocate for such a device to work?
Ok i appreciate everyones opinions thats why im here, but i dont like the term "get something for nothing" ok lets talk about electricity ok now we need mechanical energy to get electricity other than solar power, im not talking about pulling electricity out of thin air but i am talking about the possibility of utilising the earths gravity and the use of magnets to produce mechanical to convert back to electrical power.
If earths gravity can spin the moon isnt it possible to get the earths gravity to spin something on earth? i already know all the reasons to why it may not work and hasnt so far is there any posative input here? i know your thinking we can use it to pull something down but back up is a different story, but with the help of magnetics it may be possible and also the input of a slight amout of electricity to help nudge gravity cos gravity multiplys to a point, so maybe with that slight nudge per rotation of a device that has most of its weight to one end, giving that slight nudge may allow for gravity to multiply and get enuf momentum to get back up the top and once its there gravity can pull it back down again.
People are so bend on the saying "you cant get something out of thinair" which is true and according to the laws of physics you can convert energy from one form to the other which is an idea i have, not to get it from now where but to convert it from mechanical driven buy gravity and magnetic or electromagnetic fields.
Just ponder on that thought for a while, like i said the earths gravity is already spining the moon. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/12/2007 1:14:55 AM |
Ok i accept everyones opinions but something useful would help, anykind of free energy device if you cant get something for nothing where did the universe come from?
The leading current theory is that the universe was created from the merging of two extra-dimensional anomalies.
OK so at the bottom it says that it looses energy to friction and AIR resistance, I dont know ANYTHING about perpetual motion, but what if they use this device where no air exists? And have as one poster mentioned about the magnets or something and NOT touching this way energy is not lost to friction.
If there is no air or fiction then you have a machine capable of returning as much energy as you put in, not more.
The problem with magnets is that there is still friction. You don't need two objects to even touch to hae friction in the traditional sense. The Moon, for instance, does not touch the Earth, yet still has a huge effect on us over time. In the past the Earth's rotation was much faster than the 24 hour day we have now. Because of tidal forces of the Moon's gravity (the way the Moon drags water across the Earth and creates tides) and the fact that the Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth, our days are slowly growing longer as the Earth's spin on its axis slows.
Many of you may be familiar with the Voyager and other spacecraft that have traveled to the outer planets of our solar system? They used a technique called a gravity-assist to 'slingshot' them from planet to planet. Passing by each planet gave them a course correction and speed boost. But that speed boost comes at price as well. In exchange for the increased speed the planets being used lost a tiny bit of their spin or rotation speed.
In closing, perpetual motion IS impossible. You can never get more out of something than you put in. Even nuclear explosions convert a small amout of material into energy for a net loss. You CAN however, have 'free' energy as many technologies have already shown. Hydoelectric dams use the Earth to replace the water behind the generators. Solar panels transform a small fraction of sunlight into energy.
The difference between 'free' energy and perpetual motion is that something else: the Sun, dinosaurs, atoms, etc, is paying the price for the net energy loss. | |
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Nergal
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Joined: 4/29/2007
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/13/2007 5:31:41 AM | Cow magnets can make a carburetted car get 200 MPG. That is almost free energy compared to an SUV. The remaining technical challenge is to deflect cows attracted to the car by the magnets. Not so bad downtown but in the country, look out.
I disbelieve science on this matter because I have seen what happens when you put as little as 200 calories into a four year old boy then set him out in the yard to play. He is an energy multiplier. Even the dog gets worn out trying to keep up with him. That shows it is possible to get more out of a system than one puts in. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/13/2007 6:29:09 PM | Cow magnets can make a carburetted car get 200 MPG. That is almost free energy compared to an SUV. The remaining technical challenge is to deflect cows attracted to the car by the magnets. Not so bad downtown but in the country, look out.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I disbelieve science on this matter because I have seen what happens when you put as little as 200 calories into a four year old boy then set him out in the yard to play. He is an energy multiplier. Even the dog gets worn out trying to keep up with him. That shows it is possible to get more out of a system than one puts in.
The child simply used more than he recently consumed. It doesn't magically come from the air. If that process was continued over and over, the boy would have issues.
I certainly hope your child example wasn't the reason you don't believe in science on basic energy issues. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/1/2007 8:54:15 AM | stonestonque,
I also have given thought to a pendulum that uses magnets to keep motion perpetual,if only the magnets click on and off their polarity at the right time,now to hook up to a power source.,and I, also like stonestonque, have not read a book on this idea..Iv had a drawing of my thoughts for years...I will always believe that answers to some of life's problems will come from the minds of those who dabble within their own imagination.. | |
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AlexSB
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Joined: 6/29/2006
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/1/2007 1:20:28 PM | | Hey i was wondering if anyone had heard of the life work of Professor John Searl and his SEG and IVG studies he has done and the articles which have been covering his work since the 60-70's which he made a disc that flew 100miles to one point and back in less then 3mins ? Using perpetual motion and magnetic fields ???? he is bringing this out commerically soon and says has the ability to produce energy without using fossil fuels or what not.... | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/6/2007 8:46:28 PM | I can get close and if I had access to multi million dollar labs even closer. The human element I hadn't actually connected to prepetual motion machines but, the human body does produce energy and can power a Light Saber using the Chi or inner energy of the human wielder. So not exactly perpetual motion as it would need energy infusion from human Chi.
As a side note I could mass produce Light Sabers in a lab equiped with as little as $30,000 worth of equipment and supplies. The problem comes in finding humans with attuned Chi.
Tell you how to build one. I recieved my recipe for building Light Sabers from Qui-Gon Jinn contact that Spirit. I am sure it can help. | |
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