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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/6/2007 10:48:56 PM |
Tom Bearden announced the arrival of the MEG technology (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) on March 26, 2002. This device was supposed to be in mass production by 2003, and claimed to produce unlimited energy from the vacuum, to answer mankind's power needs. It was promoted through JLNlabs[5], Cheniere.org[6], and an Egroup called "MEG Builders"[7]. The device was even written up in Vol. 14., No. 1, 2001, Foundations of Physics Letters[8]. As of 2006, the MEG is still not in production, and Tom Bearden claims he needs about $11 million to develop it to a viable commercial form. [9] Tom also admits he presently has no working prototype, stating the 'last working demonstrator was promptly destroyed'. [10]
Hey i was wondering if anyone had heard of the life work of Professor John Searl and his SEG and IVG studies he has done and the articles which have been covering his work since the 60-70's which he made a disc that flew 100miles to one point and back in less then 3mins ? Using perpetual motion and magnetic fields ???? he is bringing this out commerically soon and says has the ability to produce energy without using fossil fuels or what not....
Scam artists working out of the same play book. Both of them somehow lost their perpetual motion devices! So sad! | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/7/2007 5:57:48 AM |
Scam artists working out of the same play book.
Yes, well one thing is for sure, all the greats will have their dismissive critics.
I'd be willing to wager that Nikola Tesla suffered his share of ridicule also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
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Posted: 9/7/2007 6:20:50 AM |
I'd be willing to wager that Nikola Tesla suffered his share of ridicule also.
Tesla was widly regarded as an incredible electrical engineer for many of his inventions. His partical weapons, and aircraft, were rejected for a reason. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2007 5:55:03 PM |
a man named joseph newman and his perpetual motion device which he claims can run off its own energy and output even more than is put in
Have you ever heard of the Second Law of Thermodynamics? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/seclaw.html
You cannot output more useful energy (to do work, which is the only kind you want in a perpetual motion machine) that you put in. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 5:53:26 AM |
There is no such thing as a free lunch. The universal law of conservation of energy says that there is no such thing as "free" energy. It has to come from somewhere.
The real issue, is where does energy go? We are so used to the concept of energy being used up, that we forget that the word use means transformations, and that is what happens to energy. We don't need a supply of limitless energy, because energy never disappears. It transforms from one form on energy to another, but it still exists. Energy never goes away.
If you could re-write the laws of physics to reflect the fact that energy is transformed and not used, then these laws would show you where the energy would go, and you could make a set of machines that perpetually re-cycle the same energy. Even if a small amount of energy was lost, it could theoretically be possible to keep such a set of machines going for thousands of years.
The main problem with getting a patent on a perpetual motion machine, is that the patent office won't accept it until you rewrite the laws of physics, and prove your theory to a scientific body. Once the laws have been expanded to include the possibility of such a machine, then the patent office will grant a patent on it. But you'd have to be quick. Lots of companies are itching to patent one. They're all just waiting for someone to write the theory to allow for one. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 6:14:18 PM |
Tom Bearden announced the arrival of the MEG technology (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) on March 26, 2002. This device was supposed to be in mass production by 2003, and claimed to produce unlimited energy from the vacuum, to answer mankind's power needs. It was promoted through JLNlabs[5], Cheniere.org[6], and an Egroup called "MEG Builders"[7]. The device was even written up in Vol. 14., No. 1, 2001, Foundations of Physics Letters[8]. As of 2006, the MEG is still not in production, and Tom Bearden claims he needs about $11 million to develop it to a viable commercial form. [9] Tom also admits he presently has no working prototype, stating the 'last working demonstrator was promptly destroyed'. [10]
Scam artists working out of the same play book. Both of them somehow lost their perpetual motion devices! So sad!
I have known Dr. Bearden since 1989. He is not a scam artist. The patent office has issued the patents for the MEG. The first patent, issued in 2002 is US 6,362,718 B1.
I also know Joseph Newman, he is very likely a fake. I helped him with a presentation in Phoenix and the device did not perform to his claims. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/23/2007 7:42:11 AM | | I think it's been a mute idea for a long time now with the understanding of physics. You just can't get something from nothing, though when I was a kid I thought I had invented one on paper. I was so exited, but my geologist dad set me straight. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/23/2007 8:08:14 AM | | The sun is not a perpetual motion machine. It is a natural-occuring fusion reactor that is burning hydrogen. It will eventually run out of fuel, and we will all die - but that's only going to happen in 5 billion of years or so. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 6:26:19 PM | Hi.
Take a look at the great pyramids at Giza Egypt.
The shape and geometry of the pyramid sugests that if completed it could generate tremendous amounts of static electricty.
Now if one were to re-create to the exact scale and specifications of the said pyramid then were one to introduce a certain amount of energy into the four corners (or base points) of the pyramid then the resultant charge emmitted at the peak of the structure could in fact be greater than the amount of energy inputted into the base points.
This is only a small theory but i think there may be something in this.
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/23/2007 6:35:45 PM |
Take a look at the great pyramids at Giza Egypt.
The shape and geometry of the pyramid sugests that if completed it could generate tremendous amounts of static electricty.
Now if one were to re-create to the exact scale and specifications of the said pyramid then were one to introduce a certain amount of energy into the four corners (or base points) of the pyramid then the resultant charge emmitted at the peak of the structure could in fact be greater than the amount of energy inputted into the base points.
This is only a small theory but i think there may be something in this.
no matter how I squint at it I don't see it sorry. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/25/2007 6:03:12 AM |
Just because we dont know how to do something does not mean it cannot be done.
No, but just because we don't know something doesn't mean it can. What we do know is that all evidence states that it can't be done, and every attempt has failed, every claim of success has been debunked.
So if you want to be taken seriously, you have to have an operational machine, or some math that doesn't make a physicist laugh at you. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 9/25/2007 7:40:27 AM | Here is an interesting concept to ponder for you amature inventors:
Reverse osmosis is a process used to purify water by "filtering" through a membrain that will only allow water molecules through. It is commonly used to turn salt water into fresh water but it consumes energy as a pressure differential is required to overcome the attraction of the water to the dissolved salt. Now consider taking such a membrain device deep in the ocean connected by a pipe to the surface. The fresh water in the pipe is less dense than the salt water in the ocean so the deeper you go, the greater the pressure difference and at some point, the fresh water will flow freely out of the pipe being forced up by the pressure of the salt water but the membrain stops the salts from entering the pipe. Not only would it be perpetual motion but its waste product is fresh water! The only moving part is the water.
Now its time for you amatures to go to work building it while I invest in a traditional water source and watch you toil. I will maintain a supply to sell to your workers and get rich.
All the laws of physics can be summed up in one: Nothing is free. At the same time, the most costly human comfort is ignorance. It's in the closed mind department. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2007 10:16:04 PM | Thinker55
I will always believe that answers to some of life's problems will come from the minds of those who dabble within their own imagination..
Perhaps one of Einstein’s greatest attributes – imagination.
Sci4you
No, the laws of physics are constant, even in other galaxies, sorry
To which Stonestongue replied:
But seriously... Our definitions of the physical laws change with our understanding of them, not the other way around... There's an angle or two this hasn't been viewed from yet I'm sure... All input is valuable.
What we consider truths, have been and always will be, based on the limitation of the knowledge at hand. The laws of physics apply within the limitations of the box we call, the physical world. But do we know all there is to know about this realm? If all we know of the laws of physics, thermodynamics is constant only within the confines of the three dimensional, than what dimension does pure energy exist in? And what laws does it adhere to?
Roverdisk
As a philosophical question...What is perpetual motion? More importantly shouldn't we talk about perpetual energy?
I thought pure energy was perpetual? If it is, than it does not conform to the laws of physics that we have outlined, or perhaps it is multi-dimentional.
Scorpiomovr
The real issue, is where does energy go? We are so used to the concept of energy being used up, that we forget that the word use means transformations, and that is what happens to energy. We don't need a supply of limitless energy, because energy never disappears. It transforms from one form on energy to another, but it still exists. Energy never goes away.
If you could re-write the laws of physics to reflect the fact that energy is transformed and not used, then these laws would show you where the energy would go, and you could make a set of machines that perpetually re-cycle the same energy. Even if a small amount of energy was lost, it could theoretically be possible to keep such a set of machines going for thousands of years.
My understanding of current scientific theories is that pure energy is constant. So I thought, what happens to the energy our brains create with synapsis? Is it ‘used’ by creating a thought? Or is it used by creating our reality? Or is it part of some other form of energy, that will not cease to exist even when our physical body stops functioning?
At this point I thought of that energy leaving the body and I envisioned a bolt of lighting, which make me think about light.
I remembered that light may dissipate but never actually ends. Also, that there is energy transmitted in the light and that somehow atoms were involved. So I looked it up again. Below are just a few statement about light.
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“Light is a form of energy with intriguingly unique properties. The effects of light are profound on both the largest and the smallest scales in nature. On the largest scales, light that arrives from the most distant galaxies across the universe carries information not only about the galaxies as they were billions of years ago, but also carries information about the amount of mass in the universe as a whole. On the smallest scales atoms can both use and generate light energy.
Nothing is known to transmit or block light with 100% efficiency. An opaque object casts a shadow which demonstrates that it does not transmit very much. Even though you cannot see individual light quanta, some can dribble through an opaque object after wending circuitous paths through the molecules in the object and emerging unnoticed from the other side. This effect is not the one you notice, however, if you hold a sharp object like an index card up to a light and inspect the shadow cast. What do you notice about the edges of the shadow?”
So then, light is perpetual motion, correct? Imagine that we can use the power of a triple A battery to turn on a little flashlight, and that beam of light becomes a perpetual beam (light wave) in effect creating it’s own perpetual energy source, possibly by allowing or using atoms as it’s conductor. We really don’t know or understand a lot about light, but could the answer to perpetual motion, even to what pure energy is, and how it can be harnessed, be in the explanation of beam of light? | |
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Posted: 9/28/2007 12:56:43 PM | | I examined MEG and what I see is something like the energy input is distorted to produce higher peak outputs but it isn't constant. It outputs in the form of a SIN wave, I think, and the trough of the wave averaged to the climax will give you an average output equal to or less than the amount of energy input. | |
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Posted: 9/30/2007 10:46:59 AM | As much as we would like to believe perpetual motion is impossible, it very well could be possible. As much as modern science would like you to believe it knows everything or everything it knows is solid and 100% right on, I can promise you it doesn't.
Scientists have been proven wrong since the beginning of science. They create a theory and they either prove it right or wrong. Then someone comes along and says "Well they proved their theory was right, but why were they right?" They then form their own hypothesis and theory on why the first man was right and the science behind it. It goes on and on and on. HOWEVER sometimes things we think we know because they've been reinforced since the very beginning turn out to be dead wrong.
So no matter what anyone says it is a TRUE possibility. I personal cannot see it happening my life time however. | |
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