| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 4:22:09 PM | perpetual motion / it will definately work!!
if you can get a patent on it/ you're laughing, (all the way to the bank) and so is everyone else on this planet.
i can't see them given that one up- even today.
not yet!!!
but giveit/ good luck with this!!
someone will get it threw./ have to.
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 4:36:33 PM | Perpetual motion was invented a few billion years ago... one day we might actually realize that we LIVE in a perpetual motion universe. Certainly if the universe can rotate trillions upon trillions of tons of matter endlessly we can figure out how to get a few pieces of rubber to rotate for a few years?
Everyone is so hung up on the idea that 'you can't get something for nothing' that they fail to ask where the energy to rotate the universe endlessly comes from. All we need to do is to tap into an infinitely small portion of the energy source powering the entire universe from all around us and we will have the energy to last the life of our planet. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 8:29:43 PM | I can't believe someone actually ...asked this question..we already have it ..seen it......been done and its an awsome craft..and robotic scouts under the belly of it to boot so wise up guys...you may be smart but it was all a test to see if you could get there...they will tell you we don't have it but we do...Texas seen it...and some of us too...its awsome..no noise , no fumes... glides like a puff of wind that it rides...and to think a dog whistle can only be heard by a dog...what about other frequencies? Need to work on these a bit then you will figure it out..... | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 9:14:12 PM | | Rather than focusing on the pipe dream of "free" energy devices, people should start focusing on systems that can actually be done to leverage extreme amounts of energy. For example, if we were to harness the earths gravitational forces (ie. build a track around the equator and have a counter weight in space tethered to it) we could generate enough power to supply the current energy needs and only reduce the rotation of the earth to offset it by 1 second in 10,000 years. This is real simple physics, the problem is in the engineering an cost. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 9:32:37 PM | my only concern with this, is.....how will that 1 second affect the over-all of this planet/ in the long run.
then we startin to tamper with the very rotation of the planet??
the physics...is simple/ it;s the problems, more money/new study now/ delay.
i think it's just human-nature to try to figure everything out.
but all together/ way more ideas!!
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 10:52:55 PM | Just a question for all the smart people out there in this fishy land. You know the big tall clocks that people have, the ones that have a pendulem and are quite large? I'm sure you know the ones. they have been made for a few hundred years and some people still have them today. they can be like 6 feet tall. any ways I'm sure you know the one I'm just not sure what they are called.
Heres my question. the clock is self containing and doesn't need a battery or outside sources yet it can run for years and years, would that not be kinda like a perpetual motion machine? | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:17:16 PM | how cld it "power-us-up" tho??
the size of that thing/ if we went that way, hmm, we'd be buidin (it ) forever.
wonder if we cld sink the planet/
but seriously!! those grandfather clocks/ it's true /no key for the wind-up.
just give a movement of a finger, and away they go!!
hmmmm.
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:30:39 PM | | The principle of a grandfather clock wouldn't really work because it is based on a very balanced clock which has very little energy loss. If we are looking to create energy we would need something different, or a REALLY big grandfather clock ;) I was more talking about tapping into the energy that keeps the planet moving (ie: vacuum energy), rather than taking more energy from the planet itself. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2008 12:16:45 AM | There seems to be a myth underlying a lot of bad guesses in this thread. The universe, atoms, subatomic particles, etc, are not perpetual motion machines. When energy is used, heat and entropy are created, at least partially. The universe is expanding but slowing, most molecular radiation is either at the same energy level or below the energy absorbed. There's no free lunch there either.
Grandfather and grandmother clocks have to be wound. In the lower cabinet, you'll find weights attached to a chain. To wind them, you have to pull on the chain to lift the weights. The weights provide the clockwork with the energy they need to keep time. Modern ones use batteries.
If anyone here believes they can build a free energy machine, get to it. Good luck to you but please don't come back whining about it not working. And, no, I'm not sending you money until I see a working model.  | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2008 7:52:40 AM | | Where does the energy for electrons to rotate endlessly, for planets to rotate endlessly or for solar systems to rotate endlessly come from? I think the myth is that there is no energy entering the system to produce such results. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2008 9:51:52 AM | i am always in the protection mode/ when it comes to the planet!
no energy is entering, so.....we r self-sufficiant/
but there is something of matter, invisible ingredients, say.
one or more wld have to ....a combination perhaps to be able to keep it all turning.
slow but sure!!
i think we need to know what exactly that matter is first.
it's the ingredience/ and if we CAN capture it or at least.....imitate it.
i think it's a very viable sourse/ if safe!!
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2008 11:26:18 AM | hmm, i was thinkin more on the lines.......start from scrath/ again.
now that things r progressing , more,in the way of "the-future"
more on the lines of....let's forget other therories/ for-good!!
esp. if they did not work, once / put-to-the-test!!
there is a way...../
wether it is to do the magnetic forse.....
hmmm.
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2008 8:01:45 PM | Arguments for perpetual motion and overunity devices remind me of the "Infinite Monkey Theorem"; however, the metaphor most commonly used to illustrate the latter ("Given an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, eventually one of them will produce a a given known document") seems more plausible, as hundreds of years of tinkerers, dreamers, and wishful-thinkers have yet to produce evidence of "free energy" to my satisfaction.
As a designer, craftsman, and sculptor I'm a big fan of creativity and the creative process; however, as I've matured I've lost my belief in the myth of the lonely and misunderstood genius as a model of innovation and creativity. Reinventing (in contrast to improving) the wheel is pointless in the long run, when there are so many examples of excellent wheels extant. Why deny what is known? This is not to say that known wheels will always be the best choice for a particular application, but to throw out all wheels and insist that a cube will do the same job better even though thousands of years of trial and error have shown such not to be so is, um, psychotic.
The most successful and creative people that I've met are those that started with a firm grounding in the immutable and knowable and tend to be interdisciplinary rather than untrained outsiders. Depth and breadth of knowledge seem to me to be characteristics more important than a belief in innate ability and doggedness transcending the status quo ante. Sure, persistence and some sort of intelligence are desirable characteristics in creative human endeavors, but it's hubris at its worst to discount the magnificent edifice of human achievement that is our scientific and technological patrimony.
In my opinion, no number of monkeys (or amateurs) at any number of lathes and workbenches will ever produce "perpetual motion" or "free energy", but human nature seems to be such that the humans, at least, will always keep trying whether or not "conspiracies" against them really exist, which I seriously doubt. Ignorance ruins more inventors than governments and corporations ever will. Chicanery and charlatanism, greed and gullibility, and blind faith and delusion are the hallmarks of the history of perpetual motion and describe the online arguments for free energy perfectly. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2008 8:38:02 PM | Those "grandfather clocks" run on gravity. Once in a while you have to raise the weights that make the mechanism work. Each swing of the pendulum gets a boost from the weights as they drop a tiny fraction of a millimeter.
The closest thing you'll ever find to a "perpetual motion" device is a hydroelectric dam; the water is continually rushing downhill, and we can capture some of that energy to convert to electricity. The "free ride" we get is from solar energy causing water to evaporate and transporting the vapor "uphill," forming clouds, so it can provide rain to fill the reservoir. All we have to do to capture that "free energy" is to construct and maintain the dam and the generating equipment. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/9/2008 11:32:29 PM | | If you really believe it worls, collect the $1,000.000 prize from the Randi Foundation by proving it works. In addition. if you can demonstrate to me that you have a device which returns more energy than it uses, I will personally sign over to you everything I own, including my business. Either comeback when you own my business or go away. I'll put my money where my mouth is. | |
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