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 mungojoe

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Posted: 6/15/2007 1:59:53 PM

Two statements in 5 years from Canadian Government officials, not exactly a cause any official is taking seriously.

Just a little update on that


Transfer Khadr to Canada, Amnesty International urges
Last Updated Friday, June 15, 2007 | 9.58 AM ET
CBC News

Canada stands almost alone as a country that has "abandoned" its citizens in the U.S. military's Guantanamo Bay prison, Amnesty International charged Thursday, presenting an open letter demanding Ottawa act to repatriate Omar Khadr.

The letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper — signed by 111 legal academics and endorsed by 25 prominent Canadian politicians current and former — accuses the Canadian government of remaining silent on human rights violations of prisoners at the U.S. naval prison in Cuba.

The letter says Canada should "follow the precedent of other U.S. allies and insist on the repatriation of Khadr," who is the only Canadian being held at Guantanamo Bay.

Khadr, who was born in Canada to foreign-born parents and whose family lives in the Toronto area, has been in U.S. custody since he was arrested at age 15 in 2002. He was accused of throwing a grenade that killed an American medic in Afghanistan.

"His case now almost stands alone in terms of individuals who have been abandoned by their governments," Alex Neve, the secretary general of the Canadian arm of Amnesty International, said at a news conference in Ottawa, after releasing the letter.
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Neve asked why Ottawa seemed "so reluctant" to protect its citizens when countries such as Australia were able to pressure Washington to transfer their detained citizens home.

Among the names listed on the open letter to Harper were former prime minister Joe Clark and former foreign affairs ministers Bill Graham and Lloyd Axworthy.

"Governments throughout Europe, the Australian government in the case of David Hicks [an Australian citizen repatriated in May], have all intervened forcefully and, generally, successfully," Neve said.

"British nationals have been returned to Britain, David Hicks recently returned to Australia … but even though everyone seems to get it, Canada still remains silent."

Last week, a U.S. military commission dropped all charges against Khadr, ruling that the courts did not have jurisdiction to try him as an "unlawful enemy combatant" since he was only classified as an "enemy combatant."

However, Khadr remains in detention in Cuba without charge while Washington considers the next step, which could involve an appeals process.

In the letter, Amnesty International said Canada's justice system — not a process "devised by the United States" — should try Khadr for his alleged crimes, "bearing in mind his age at the time the alleged acts occurred." Khadr was a minor when he was arrested on the battlefield.

The human-rights group said Canada should speak out against the U.S. military commissions process, which it dismissed as "invented on an ad hoc basis" without any bearing on international law.

At the press conference, Ottawa University law professor Craig Forcese said the dismissal of the case was "the final straw" and proved the commissions have been a failure.

Forcese said Canada must now "exercise diplomatic duty and bring [Khadr] back where he can serve a fair trial."
Repatriation 'premature' Emerson says

During Thursday's question period, Minister of International Trade David Emerson said repatriation for Khadr was "premature."

NDP justice critic Joe Comartin raised the issue of Khadr's detention, blasting Canada's actions so far.

"Not once has this government, has Canada, protested the use of military commissions nor done anything to get him home. If the British, Australian, French and Germans can get protection from the government, why won't the Conservatives do something for a Canadian in need at this time?"

Emerson said the Conservatives have been looking out for Khadr's well-being, through a discussion between Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. This discussion included requests for Khadr to have better access to his family, legal counsel and educational materials.

As well, foreign affairs officials have carried out welfare visits, and will continue to do so.

But on the issue of repatriation, Emerson said, "I think the House knows the allegations against Mr. Khadr are very serious and the question of accepting a repatriation of Mr. Khadr is premature, and it's speculative at this time."

Maybe not so silent (oh, and if it helps you to feel better about Joe Clark endorsing it, he is in good company, Ed Broadbent endorsed it too.)
 niceguy99a

Joined: 3/5/2006
Msg: 77
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Posted: 6/15/2007 2:31:44 PM


The letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper — signed by 111 legal academics and endorsed by 25 prominent Canadian politicians current and former — accuses the Canadian government of remaining silent on human rights violations of prisoners at the U.S. naval prison in Cuba.


wow .. 136 people ...

The Hicks and Khada cases are not the same.

Hick plead guilty and was sentenced to 7 years and he has been custody for about 6 years..

So they are letting him serve the last 9 months in Australia ... he is REALY serving his whole sentence ... and he was captured unarmed too

Khada is a dangerous and would rejoin al-Qaeda if released


David Matthew Hicks also known as Abu Muslim al-Austraili and Muhammed Dawood (born August 7, 1975) is an Australian citizen.

After five years in legal limbo, he confessed in 2007 to a retroactive charge of "providing material support to terrorism."[1] and sentenced to 7 years jail, most of which was suspended.

Hicks was captured in Afghanistan and was held and tried as an unlawful combatant by the United States Government at Guantanamo Bay. His detainee number was 002.[2][3]

Of the 500 detainees imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, Hicks is one of four detainees formally charged with offences.[4] Hicks served as an infantryman with the Taliban in Afghanistan.[5] Originally, his trial before a U.S. military commission was due to begin in November 2005. However, the original charges against him were dropped[6] following the Supreme Court Hamdi v. Rumsfeld ruling invalidating the constitutionality of the commission process. On September 29, 2006, the US Senate and US House of Representatives passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which resumed proceedings against Hicks with fresh charges.[7]

On March 26, 2007, Hicks entered a guilty plea to the charge of providing material support for terrorism.[8] [9] He was sentenced to seven years imprisonment, of which all but nine months were suspended.

On May 20, 2007, Hicks arrived back in Australia and will serve the time remaining of his sentence in an Adelaide prison. He will be kept in solitary confinement in South Australia's highest-security ward, G Division, as he serves the rest of his nine-month sentence. [10]

He was captured by a "Northern Alliance warlord" on or about December 9, 2001, near Kunduz, Afghanistan, and turned over to US Special Forces for $1000 on December 17, 2001.[23][17][25][26] In an interview with SBS TV Dateline, his father, Terry Hicks, stated, "David was captured by the Northern Alliance unarmed in the back of a truck or a van. So it wasn't on the battlefield at all."[27]
 mungojoe

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Posted: 6/15/2007 3:44:48 PM

wow .. 136 people ...

If it were 136 "joe average nice guys" your sarcasm might have a point but that isn't the case. As it is the comment is... well, profound isn't one of the words that comes to mind.

136 Cabinet Ministers, Prime Minister and legal scholars tend to constitute significant expert opinion. Odds are that their opinion carries a bit more weight than average.
 niceguy99a

Joined: 3/5/2006
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Posted: 6/15/2007 4:20:37 PM


If it were 136 "joe average nice guys" your sarcasm might have a point but that isn't the case. As it is the comment is... well, profound isn't one of the words that comes to mind.

136 Cabinet Ministers, Prime Minister and legal scholars tend to constitute significant expert opinion. Odds are that their opinion carries a bit more weight than average.


wow ... correction 136 Lawyers....

So us "Average Joes" opinions are not worth much ...


Most Canadians believe Omar Khadr should face justice in Afghanistan, where the alleged
incident took place
 MX981

Joined: 6/8/2007
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Posted: 6/16/2007 5:23:39 PM
136 Cabinet Ministers, Prime Minister and legal scholars tend to constitute significant expert opinion.


"Legal scholars" aka lawyers...ahem...let me tell ya, nobody gives a fudge about
those lawyers. It was those lawyers that helped this family lie their way into
Canada so, no thank you.

Canada will not suffer because of Khadars fate...he's forgotten just as that Asian
Canadian dude was years ago when Canada dispatched him to Washinton to be
executed for torturing women. America said: if you want that sick puppy so badly
you can keep him...we relented and knowingly sent him to his death. Today,
our values are still intact despite small blemishes here and there. 99.9999% of
the time we hold true to our values inspite of how we treat .0000001% of the
population and that ain't bad. You need to have faith that we are a largely respected
country with strong values and I do believe we
are more decent than USA but I'd never claim we are perfect....accept that and
you'll be fine.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 6/16/2007 5:53:24 PM

Canada will not suffer because of Khadars fate...he's forgotten just as that Asian
Canadian dude was years ago when Canada dispatched him to Washinton to be
executed for torturing women.

You're going to compare Khadr to Ng? Wow... the "common sense" and "logic" of that is overwhelming.

Why not Manson or Bundy? Might as well throw all the psychotics in while your at it.

I never knew that throwing a handgrenade during a war was equivalent to being a serial killer. Even Ng wasn't held and tortured for years without charges and still got a proper criminal trial (actually it seems that serial killers actually get treated a lot better. Good thing to know, if I ever want to kill someone I'll know its better to brutally murder 25 than kill one in combat).

we relented and knowingly sent him to his death.

There was no relenting in it. The gov't approved the extradition request and the Supreme Court denied their defence of the extradition based on the Charter. BTW, he ain't dead yet.
 MX981

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Posted: 6/16/2007 8:06:14 PM
The point I was trying to make is that there are exceptional cases that we
should ignore and yet still keep our identity intact. Those who go out of their way
to soil our image abroad, like in the Arar case, will face severe consequences.
I don't think that Kadhr family is impacting our rights in a negative way.

And please, don't spin this to make it sound like this kid was an Afghan national
protecting his country. He was a punk that was pirating the country he
was visiting. No different if say an American was here trying to bring down
our gov't in order to install a neo-con one...how would you like that? People
being gunned down, your family, friends...etc just so some sick drug-peddling-religious
extremist group can govern with an iron fist - ie: executions on centre ice of your
favorite home teams coliseum.
 whiskeypapa

Joined: 6/7/2007
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Posted: 6/16/2007 9:08:56 PM
on a ten point must system mongojoe , using logic backed with clear facts, easily outpointed all comers who used emotionalism, flawed speculation and long-winded unrelated filibustering as a substitute for reason.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 6/16/2007 9:15:48 PM
And please, don't spin this to make it sound like this kid was an Afghan national
protecting his country. He was a punk that was pirating the country he was visiting.

Huh?!?

Khadr was in Afghanistan for at least a year before the invasion. You know, when the Taliban (the ones whose side he was fighting on) was still the Afghan gov't. If he had shown up after the fact, oh, say in 2003 when the current insurgency began, you might have a point.

That, however, is not the case. In the summer of 2002 (when the event took place) the Taliban still had a significant presence in south-east Afghanistan using hit-run and evasion tactics trying to hold onto some control while trying to regroup.

Those who go out of their way to soil our image abroad, like in the Arar case, will face severe consequences.

If this is an example of how our image abroad has been soiled then you might want to rethink your position. Arar has been completely cleared of wrong-doing by two of the three countries involved, Canada and Syria. The third, the US, continues to deny that they even had anything to do with Arar ending up in jail in Syria (despite his being sent there from the US). They are SO convinced of their innocence that they actually invoked the rarely-used “State Secrets Privilege” in order to avoid having to face the issue in court (here's a hint, when someone has to invoke a form of immunity to avoid court, it usually means they're guilty as sin and it can be proven).
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 6/16/2007 10:41:57 PM

Canadian dude was years ago when Canada dispatched him to Washinton to be
executed for torturing women. America said: if you want that sick puppy so badly
you can keep him...we relented and knowingly sent him to his death.


If you check the facts mungojoes score actually goes up.
Charles Ng was NOT a Canadian sent to his death in America for actual crimes commited there. While Khadr IS a Canadian citizen who commited no crimes in the US yet is being held by them as many are on charges which will not stand up in a real court. Monkey boy Dubya is on record as trying to obtain permission to legal use torture and threats of death to detainees entire FAMILIES in order to obtain "confessions"...... Spanish Inquistions and medival witch-hunts anyone?

As joe pointed out above the Taliban (once an Afghani governement) did not cease to exist simply because foreign invaders pushed them out of the capital city. They still exist today..... And frankly if a different country invaded us right now and pushed OUR government out of power then installed their own puppet government do you really believe any resident here would view that as the "legitimate" government or cease fighting the invasion forces? I try to see it your way but I just can't see to get my head that far up my_____ oh nevermind. If you don't change minds you cannot hope to change the world.
 MX981

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Posted: 6/17/2007 12:24:27 AM

If this is an example of how our image abroad has been soiled then you might want to rethink your position. Arar has been completely cleared of wrong-doing by two of the three countries involved, Canada and Syria.


My grammer sucks...I was trying to say that those who abuse government
power and victimize law abiding Canadians would face consequences from
the public like in the Arar case. In the case of Khadr........ummm....so...er...how about
them Vancouver Canucks? (queue the crickets).
 mungojoe

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Posted: 11/10/2007 4:42:01 PM
A very interesting update on this case

U.S. hid witness who could help Khadr: defence lawyer
Judge postpones pre-trial hearing before ruling on 21-year-old's status
Last Updated: Thursday, November 8, 2007 | 6:21 PM ET
CBC News

The U.S. government has withheld information about a witness who could help clear Canadian Omar Khadr as an "unlawful enemy combatant," Khadr's military defence lawyer at Guantanamo Bay said Thursday.

"It's an eyewitness the government has always known about," Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler told reporters. "This is something that was buried because nobody ever looked."

Kuebler's comments came after a pre-trial hearing was adjourned at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, where the 21-year-old Khadr has been held for the past five years following his capture by American forces in Afghanistan.

Khadr — who is the only Canadian held at Guantanamo prison and was 15 at the time of his capture in 2002 — is accused of murder in the death of U.S. medic Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer in Afghanistan. He is also charged with spying, conspiracy and supporting terrorism.

Kuebler said U.S. officials never bothered to speak to the witness and the prosecution didn't find out about him until recently.

"The significant fact is that the government made us aware of this at the last minute and wanted to go forward with this thing today … notwithstanding being told repeatedly by the military judge that it was not proper," Kuebler told reporters at the base.

"It shows how anxious they are to get this validated and get it moving."

Earlier Thursday, U.S. Col. Peter Brownback, the military judge presiding over the commission, recessed the hearing without ruling whether Khadr would be subject to a military tribunal.

Brownback postponed a decision to name Khadr as an "unlawful enemy combatant" — a designation required in order to move ahead with the military tribunal, according to legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2006.

In June, the judge dismissed the charges against Khadr because of a technicality, as prosecutors had labelled him as an "enemy combatant," omitting the word "unlawful." Brownback had said the court therefore had no jurisdiction in the case.

In September, a three-panel military appeals court ruled that Brownback's decision was an error and reinstated the terrorism charges.

Khadr co-operative, answers judge's questions

Khadr, whose family lives in the Toronto area, entered the court in the morning dressed in white prison garb. The colour is an indication of a detainee's "highly compliant" status, the CBC's Alison Smith reported from Guantanamo.

The judge scheduled sessions on Dec. 7 and Jan. 11 for lawyers to present motions.

Khadr, whose late father was an associate of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, is the last prisoner from a Western country at Guantanamo.

During the morning's proceedings, Khadr appeared co-operative with court authorities and told the presiding judge that he accepted Kuebler as his main defence counsel.

Khadr and his legal team were asked if they wanted to enter a plea immediately, but deferred it to a later date.

The trial is taking place without one of Khadr's Canadian lawyers present. Dennis Edney told CBC News on Thursday that the U.S. defence lawyer, Kuebler, barred him from the proceedings because of his criticism of the process, as well as Kuebler's own preparedness and qualifications.

The defence has not interviewed a single prosecution witness, Edney said, while the prosecution has been preparing for the trial for the past two years.

"We have said the military defence lawyers are not ready for trial," Edney said from Edmonton. "We put that in writing to them time and time again.

"My guess? They don't like to be criticized."

The Bush administration created the tribunals following the 2002 invasion of Afghanistan, arguing that neither military courts martial nor U.S. civilian courts were appropriate for trying the Guantanamo detainees because much of the evidence would involve sensitive issues of national security.

In 2006, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the Guantanamo court system illegal, but Washington quickly established a new military tribunal system.

The top court is now hearing a fresh legal challenge to the new tribunal system after a group of prisoners argued they should have the right to go before a U.S. federal court to appeal their indefinite incarceration.

With files from the Canadian Press
Copyright © CBC 2007

So, Khadr has been held since age 15 as a supposed without trial, without charge and now, finally facing some form of trial, it comes out that the US gov't has known of a witness who could clear Khadr all along but hid that fact from everyone else.

Instead they chose to keep him in Gulag Guantanamo for 5 years, taken his youth from him and apparently, without any cause other than BushCo's agenda of deceit.
 dunrich

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Msg: 88
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Posted: 12/7/2007 7:33:02 AM
{QUOTE " According to Omar Khadr's supporters (and they are growing as time passes), a "surprise eyewitness" at his Guantanamo Bay trial for murder, threatens to wreck the U.S. government's case against him as an "unlawful enemy combatant."

There are a lot of aspects to the Khadr case that are peculiar -- not the least of which is the term "unlawful enemy combatant," which is defined as a member of al-Qaida or the Taliban who has "engaged in hostilities or ... supported hostilities against the United States."

When Khadr, at age 15 in 2002, allegedly threw a grenade that killed an American soldier, he was fighting an invader of the country he had chosen to serve. To charge him with murder while opposing an invading enemy seems a grotesque distortion of reason and logic. What's "unlawful" in fighting back against an invader?

It's almost as great a distortion as the Globe and Mail's editorial view that "the only hope that justice will be done for Omar Khadr is that Canada will speak up for him." What drivel!

Just how should Canada "speak up for him?" And why?



And so what if Canada did? Yes, he's technically a Canadian citizen (from an admitted al-Qaida family), but he chose to fight and serve an alien entity that Canada went to war against.

Khadr's trial is now underway, and it's very hard to see why there should even be a trial. Taking the most benign approach, as an enemy fighter he should be held and contained until the war is over -- which it isn't, and won't be for a long time.

As it is, Khadr and the others at Gitmo receive all the benefits of the Geneva Convention -- another perversion, since none of the detainees or their erstwhile masters, paid any heed to convention rules of wearing a distinctive uniform, openly displaying weapons, having an identifiable chain of command, treating those they capture with decency and respect.

These, remember, are the sort who cut off the heads of hostages.

Khadr doesn't have to answer questions while in custody. He's well fed, he isn't tortured, he's living better than he would in Afghanistan, and certainly better than prisoners held by al-Qaida, the Taliban -- or even the National Afghan Army -- are.

Canada has no obligations to Khadr, other than to ensure he isn't tortured or abused. He (and his parents and siblings) made their choice, and it wasn't for Canada. He's apparently destined to remain in American custody for the duration.

Having said that, it's still hard to see why he should go on trial for murder. Soldiers who fight in wars aren't usually called murderers, unless they actually murder people. Even if Khadr hadn't thrown that grenade that killed U.S. Army Sgt. Christopher Speer, he still shouldn't be sent back to Canada, and still should remain neutralized, as captured soldiers were in previous wars, until peace was declared.

Frankly, the U.S. system seems to be contorting itself to ensure Khadr and others get defence -- including a judge (Col. Peter Brownback) who seems to be giving Khadr every break, like denying the prosecution the right to show videotapes that supposedly show him making and laying roadside bombs intended to kill American soldiers.

That's a far cry from a kangaroo court.

For the Globe to equate the Canadian government's attitude towards Khadr with its refusal to urge clemency or the return to Canada of Ron Smith, who murdered two Blackfoot youths in 1982 "to see what it felt like," is another obscenity and, if you ask me, unfair to Khadr who, one assumes, believed in the cause he fought for. "QUOTE ENDS} Quoted from the Toronto Sun Nov 17 2007, article by Peter Worthington.

If one considers this gentleman a Canadian, the we should be wanting to extradite him back to Canada to be tried for treason .

He voluntarily joined a group responsible for the murder of 24 Canadians on 9/11, a group that Canada was actively engaged in fighting at the time of his arrest. Let him do what ever sentence is pronounced on him there , extradite him back here, and charge him with treason and accesorary to murder here when he is finished his sentence down there.

Munja Joe mentioned that Khadr was fighting for the Afghan gov . in power at the time, yes, that is aagaisnt the law as well up here . Especially as Canada was actively engaged in military action against that Taliban govt and Al Quadea at that time, it was clearly treasonous, for Khadr to support them.
 pepsi40

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Msg: 89
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Posted: 12/14/2007 10:53:01 AM
I love these little notes


The letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper — signed by 111 legal academics and endorsed by 25 prominent Canadian politicians


I would love an ethnic break down of the 111 legal persons, 25 who were the signers ?

The dude was caught in Afganistan, is not Canadian born. If he is brought to Canada should stand trial for treason. purposeful betrayal, usually constituting aid to one's enemies.

I really hate how people get citizenship and then leave the country, there should be an adbandonment clause for non canadain born, that if they leave the country for 12 months their citizenship is revoked unless a permit is granted.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 12/14/2007 3:14:17 PM
The dude was caught in Afganistan, is not Canadian born.

Actually he is, Toronto, 1986

If he is brought to Canada should stand trial for treason.

At the time he went to Afghanistan the invasion hadn't happened yet nor had 9/11. He did not go exactly of his own accord, he was a child at the time, under the control of his parents, who took him to Afghanistan (or are you suggesting that it is a child's right to defy his parents). Further there is no evidence that he acted against Canadian soldiers when the invasion took place. Under those circumstances it would take quite the legal trick to make a compelling legal case for treason in Canada.

that if they leave the country for 12 months their citizenship is revoked unless a permit is granted.

Wouldn't make one whit of difference to Khadr's case since he was born in Toronto.
 RocketMan_Len

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Posted: 12/14/2007 7:43:47 PM

clearly the young khadr was fighting for the Taliban, the existing government of Afghanistan at that time and, as such he should be a prisoner of war.


Alright, then... as a Prisoner of War, young Kadr can be held by the Americans until the end of hostilities, or such time as repatriation is negotiated.

As a citizen, *I* do not want him back in Canada - where he can spread his poison. So hold him at Guantanimo until his 'cause' is eradicated.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 2/5/2008 3:37:42 PM
And so the saga continues...

With the gov't case getting shakier with each passing revelation, with evidence of gov't duplicity, deceit and even cowardly action by US soldiers now

New witness account shows Khadr charges should be dropped: lawyers
Last Updated: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 | 6:57 AM ET
CBC News

Lawyers for Omar Khadr called on U.S. authorities Monday to dismiss a murder charge against the Canadian, saying a newly revealed eyewitness account that had been covered up by the Pentagon casts doubt on the official version of events.

Khadr, now 21, is charged with hurling a grenade that killed American Sgt. Christopher Speer during a firefight in Afghanistan in 2002. He's been in custody at a U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since then.

According to the original U.S. military version of events, Khadr ambushed American soldiers with a grenade following a four-hour fight at a mud compound in Afghanistan.

Pentagon officials later backtracked slightly after it was revealed nobody witnessed Khadr throw the grenade. Pentagon officials said an eyewitness wasn't needed, because Khadr was the only al-Qaeda fighter left alive and the only person who could have thrown the grenade.

However, a classified document, inadvertently released to reporters at the military prison by a Pentagon official Monday, provides a different eyewitness account of the events.

A U.S. soldier at the battle said in sworn testimony that two al-Qaeda fighters were alive after the fatal grenade attack.

The unidentified soldier says he killed the first al-Qaeda fighter before spotting Khadr, whom he said was wounded, on his knees and facing away from him. For reasons he does not go into, he says he shot him in the back twice.

The Pentagon says American soldiers fired on Khadr in self-defence after he tried to attack them.

Khadr's military lawyer Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler suggests that the U.S. military may have been involved in a coverup.

"The U.S. government had a problem on its hands when it found that it had a 15-year-old Canadian on its hands with two gaping bullet holes in his back that had been facing away from the fight," said Kuebler.

Kuebler hopes the eyewitness account introduces enough reasonable doubt that Judge Peter Brownback will have to dismiss the murder charge against Khadr.

The lawyers argue that Khadr's alleged offences occurred in a combat setting, and therefore should not be considered war crimes committed by an irregular "enemy combatant."

They're asking a military judge to drop the charges, since Khadr was only 15 when he was captured.

If convicted, Khadr faces a maximum sentence of life in prison.

With files from the Canadian Press
Copyright © CBC 2008

Of course the gov't will never acknowledge the fatal flaws of their case as this is the "flagship" case for the military tribunal nor will they admit to the deceit and definitely not the cowardice of an American soldier shooting a wounded child twice in the back while on his knees
 grog27

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Posted: 2/6/2008 5:04:29 PM
This entire 'case' is a sham.
If Khadr is going to be charged with murder, then you'd have to file the same charge against 99.999% of the people involved in that so-called "war." The prosecution's "case" fairly reeks of desperation.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 2/6/2008 5:33:32 PM
This entire 'case' is a sham.
If Khadr is going to be charged with murder, then you'd have to file the same charge against 99.999% of the people involved in that so-called "war." The prosecution's "case" fairly reeks of desperation
__________

You know Bush-Co would have had a big show trial. This is the Best? So sloppy and sad.
We will never know who the Bad Guys were.
 Outdoor2

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Posted: 2/6/2008 6:04:30 PM
Six degrees of separation...
The "Bad Guys" are well known...
The really "Bad Guys" are well known....

What is hidden is the fact that they are busom buddies

Hint: Omar Khadr is not one of them.
 Jameslazazzera

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Posted: 2/6/2008 9:18:58 PM
The whole tiral and charge is 100% bull crap
How can you charge a man wuth murder, when the guy he killed was attacking him with an automatic rifle. I would huck a grenade too, if I found myself surrounded by hostile millatary personelle....why is it that when the french do it to the Nazis its honoruable and good, but when we are the occupier, its terrorism I have said it before on these profiles, and Ill say it again, if the United States invaded Canada, it would in that instant become my lifes mission to make any american soldier, on canadian soil, wish they were in Iraq. I would blow tanks and APC, I would build and hide bombs along roads used by the military, and I would launch homeade rockets into American Bases...that would make me a patriot, not a terrorist.
Funny how american outlook has changed, as to what constitutes acceptable war acts, 1945 to today....
 mungojoe

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Bully for Omar Khadr
Posted: 2/25/2008 2:35:57 PM
Once again it continues

Trio of opposition MPs press for Khadr's return
Last Updated: Monday, February 25, 2008 | 2:38 PM ET
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Opposition MPs say they have not done enough to protect the rights of Canadian terror suspect Omar Khadr and urged Ottawa on Monday to press Washington to return the 21-year-old to Canada.

The NDP's Joe Comartin, Liberal Dominic LeBlanc and Vivian Barbot of the Bloc Québécois held a news conference in Ottawa along with Khadr's U.S. military lawyer, Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler.

Khadr was captured in Afghanistan in 2002 and was charged with killing a U.S. army sergeant with a grenade during a firefight. He has been held ever since at the U.S. military base on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"We did not play our proper role in protecting Mr. Khadr's rights. We are not going to remain silent any longer," said Comartin. "We have not done our job up to this point. We are going to do it in the future."

MPs will press for a full emergency debate in the House of Commons, said Comartin, who said they also plan to establish a Foreign Affairs subcommittee that will turn its attention to Khadr's case.

He added that it depends on whether there will be a federal election in the next few months.

Comartin said recent developments in the case have caused MPs to press for Khadr's release.

Justice denied to Khadr: Liberal MP

Last month, U.S. military documents that contradict Pentagon claims were inadvertantly released to reporters at Guantanamo. A statement from a U.S. solider at the 2002 firefight said Khadr was not alone when the deadly grenade was thrown, suggesting another al-Qaeda fighter may be responsible for the American soldier's death.

LeBlanc acknowledged the Khadr family has been linked to terror, but said the test of the rule of law is that it is applied equally, even in cases that aren't easy.

"One cannot be complicit in the violations of the rule of law. Omar Khadr is a child victim and should now be afforded the justice denied him all these years no matter how difficult and unpopular this may be," said LeBlanc.

Kuebler, who has repeatedly dismissed the military tribunals as illegal and unfair, said Khadr is clearly a child soldier and, under international obligations, should be released and helped to reintegrate into society. The U.S. and Ottawa are signatories to a United Nations protocol that states fighters under age 18 are to be considered as child soldiers.

"Omar Khadr … should be regarded as a victim of al-Qaeda, not a member or combatant fighting on behalf of al-Qaeda if the [U.S.] government's allegations against him are true," he said.

Khadr singled out, says lawyer

Kuebler said Guantanamo officials released a 14-year-old Afghani boy who shot and killed an American soldier in Afghanistan in 2002, but have continued to hold Khadr.

Kuebler said Khadr has been singled out because American officials believe he may have "intelligence value," due to his father, Ahmed Said Khadr, having been a close associate of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Kuebler said Khadr has been threatened with rendition to places where he would be raped. He also said he believes allegations Khadr has been beaten, has had dogs turned on him and is nearly blind. Earlier reports said Khadr is blind in one eye, with deteriorating health in his other eye.

"If anything is to happen for Omar Khadr, it's because the Canadian government acts in his interest and acts to protect his rights," said Kuebler.

The U.S. began shipping prisoners to Guantanamo Bay in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackings, turning the naval base into a highly secure prison camp.

The heavily criticized military tribunal system has yet to complete a trial.

Original rules allowed the military to exclude the defendant from his own trial, permitted statements made under torture, and forbade appeal to an independent court; but the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the system in 2006 and a revised plan has included some additional rights.

Close Guantanamo, lawyers urge

Also Monday, the Canadian Bar Association, along with close to three dozen bar associations from around the world, called on U.S. President George W. Bush to shut the Guantanamo prison down.

The open letter cites the case of Khadr as an example of the "profound disrespect for the rule of law" shown at Guantanamo and calls for his return to Canada.

"It is the duty of Canada to request his repatriation, and it is incumbent on the United States to transfer him to the custody of the Canadian authorities," reads the letter.

Guantanamo detainees must receive fair trials and if found guilty, should be punished accordingly, says the letter.

"We must not tolerate — nor permit our respective governments to tolerate — the continuing denial of the principles underlying the rule of law. We have recently seen the results in Pakistan of continuing further down this road," said CBA president Bernard Amyot.

The longer this goes on the more evidence that comes out regarding US motives behind holding Khadr, none of it working in their favour, all of it indicating this is a case of "railroading" at its finest.
 mungojoe

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Bully for Omar Khadr
Posted: 3/13/2008 5:00:45 PM
And yet more evidence coming to light (again, contrary to US assertions)


U.S. 'manufactured story' on 2002 Afghan gunbattle: Khadr's lawyer
Last Updated: Thursday, March 13, 2008 | 3:47 PM ET
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A military commander "retroactively altered" a report of a gunbattle in Afghanistan in 2002 to redirect blame for a U.S. soldier's death to Omar Khadr, Khadr's defence lawyer alleged Thursday.

Lt. Cmdr. William Kuebler made the allegation during a pretrial hearing Thursday for the 21-year-old Canadian citizen at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Khadr, who has been held at the Guantanamo Bay facility since his 2002 capture during a battle in Afghanistan, is accused of murder in the death of American medic Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer.

Khadr is also charged with spying, conspiracy and supporting terrorism.

Kuebler alleged that in August 2002, one day after the gunbattle involving Khadr, a U.S. on-site commander identified only as "Colonel W" wrote a report on the attack.

In the report, the commander said a U.S. soldier killed a man identified as the suspect in the slaying of Speer, said Kuebler.

However, the report was revised months later, under the same date, to say a U.S. fighter had only "engaged" the assailant, according to Kuebler, who said the later version was presented to him by prosecutors as an "updated" document.

"What we have is, as I said at the outset, is this manufactured story about Omar's participation in the event, or this myth about Omar's participation in the event, which appears to have been manufactured at some point during his detention," Kuebler said.

"And then you have government records, official government records, being retroactively altered to be consistent with that manufactured story."

Prosecutors, who did not contest Kuebler's account in court, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


Defence seeks interrogators' names

A U.S. military judge also could decide by Friday whether lawyers for Khadr will be given the names of interrogators who questioned him in Afghanistan, along with other evidence pertaining to his case.

Khadr's legal team is seeking the identities of the interrogators in its attempt to prove the the military tribunal that Khadr was forced into making incriminating statements through torture.

His lawyers have asked for at least 14 items from the Pentagon and U.S. State Department, including the names of his former interrogators.

During questioning at a U.S.-run detention centre at the Bagram air base north of Kabul after his capture, Khadr was quoted as saying he wanted to kill a lot of American soldiers. According to the statement, Khadr said the Taliban were offering a $1,500 bounty for each U.S. soldier.

Court documents later revealed interrogators at the air base used attack dogs and hung prisoners by their wrists.

Khadr's lawyers want the chance to cross-examine the interrogators during the military tribunal. If it is proven Khadr's statement was extracted by torture, his lawyers argue it should be wiped from the record.

They are also asking to see the names of witnesses who were at the Afghan battle in 2002.

Among the evidence they have requested is a report written by a field commander at the battle. The report initially said the fighter who threw the grenade at Speer died that day. Two months later, a line in the report was changed to say the person who killed Speer was alive.

Trial delay likely if request granted

Khadr's U.S. military lawyer, Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, alleges the government is manufacturing evidence against Khadr.

His trial, due to start on May 5, would likely be delayed until the summer if the judge grants Khadr's lawyers' request.

Khadr's lawyers also argue their client should be freed because trying him for crimes he allegedly committed as a minor contravenes international law. He was 15 when he was captured.

The U.S. and Canada are signatories to a United Nations protocol that states fighters under age 18 are to be considered as child soldiers. Under those international obligations, child fighters must be released and helped to reintegrate into society.

Kuebler alleges Khadr has been threatened with rendition to places where he would be raped. Kuebler also said he believes allegations Khadr has been beaten, has had dogs turned on him and is nearly blind. Earlier reports said Khadr is blind in one eye, with deteriorating sight in his other eye.

Last month, a trio of opposition MPs called for Ottawa to intervene in the case.

About 275 men are being held at the military base on suspicion they are linked to al-Qaeda or the Taliban. Thirteen of the prisoners have been charged.

The heavily criticized military tribunal system has yet to complete a trial.

Original rules allowed the military to exclude the defendant from his own trial, permitted statements made under torture and forbade appeal to an independent court, but the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the system in 2006 and a revised procedure has included some additional rights.

With files from the Associated Press
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Bully for Omar Khadr
Posted: 3/13/2008 5:24:43 PM
This is one story that I have been following from beginning to no end. I CANT believe the ****en hypcrosy in this!

I do not know how some people can support this government for such a sham! A violation of international law. Absolute disregard for the evidence and sacrifcing a boys life for the mistakes of the the milatary. It is by absolute moral concience that this is wrong on many levels. How can they charge a fifteen year old boy when all information was extracted from torture, witnesses are kept secret (why!), documents fabricated months later.. like cmon. But i see its okay because they are there and they are lesser than us, that is the view of america, above the law, above everyone. Cover up their mistakes and try to validate this war as best they could.

Hey what happened to that Black Op employee who shot and killed an Iraqi in the Green zone when we was drunk? Oh thats right, they flew him out of the country. Gee I wonder why people are fighting back. And the slaughter in Fallugah? Dilawar?

You take their children, Prepare for them to take yours. Its fair. Wonderful circle of violence the U.S government has created. Exactly what they want.

Burn in ****en hell you nazi **stards!
 mungojoe

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Bully for Omar Khadr
Posted: 3/20/2008 3:33:38 PM
And this just in

Canada's top court agrees to hear Khadr's unfair treatment claim
Ottawa tried to block defence from presenting fresh evidence
Last Updated: Thursday, March 20, 2008 | 3:00 PM ET
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The Supreme Court of Canada will hear arguments from Omar Khadr's lawyers about the legality of his detention and upcoming military trial at a U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

In a ruling released Friday, the court dealt a blow to government lawyers and allowed Khadr's legal team to present fresh evidence it says demonstrates U.S. authorities are violating international law in their treatment of Khadr.
Khadr was captured in Afghanistan in 2002 when he was 15 and has since been held at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

He is facing numerous charges, including murder, in connection with the killing a U.S. army sergeant with a grenade during a firefight between U.S. forces and Taliban fighters, in which the Toronto-born teenager was also seriously wounded.

The top court will be forced to examine whether the involvement and behaviour of Canadian officials were in conflict with Canadian domestic law, as well as Canada's obligations to international law and treaties, said Dennis Edney, Khadr's Canadian lawyer.

"We're gratified that the Supreme Court has decided that a full complete record is before it in order to make a fair determination," Edney told CBCNews.ca in an interview Thursday from Edmonton.

Case goes before court next week

The court case stems from an earlier federal court decision that ordered the Canadian government to release documents to Khadr's lawyers for use in his defence against the murder charge. Ottawa appealed the ruling and arguments will be heard in the top court on March 26.

But his lawyers also want to use the hearing to highlight the broader point that the Americans' handling of the case doesn't meet international standards of fairness.

"By being allowed to introduce fresh evidence, we will be showing that we have to talk about Guantanamo Bay," Edney said.

The federal Justice Department also filed a motion trying to quash that argument, saying a Canadian court is the wrong place to examine U.S. actions.

Among the issues expected to be raised before the court are Khadr's age at the time of his capture and the contradictory evidence emerging from U.S. authorities in recent weeks from his pre-trial hearing at Guantanamo.
Khadr deserves child soldier status: U.S. military lawyer

Khadr's U.S. military defence lawyer has repeatedly dismissed the military tribunals as illegal and unfair, and has also questioned whether Canada has done enough to advocate on Khadr's behalf to their American counterparts.

Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler has stated Khadr is clearly a child soldier and, under international obligations, should be released and helped to reintegrate into society.

The United States and Canada are signatories to a United Nations protocol that states fighters under age 18 are to be considered child soldiers.

In an affidavit released Tuesday, Khadr alleges U.S. military interrogators in Afghanistan threatened him with rape and treated him harshly, forcing him to make false and self-incriminating statements.

He also claims Canadian diplomats and intelligence officers who questioned him at Guantanamo refused to help, accused him of lying, and passed information from their interviews to U.S. officials.

Meanwhile, documents released by the Pentagon on Thursday include an account of the 2002 gun battle by a U.S. army officer who admits he nearly ordered Khadr's execution. The officer also confirms an earlier account that Khadr was not the only Taliban fighter alive when the grenade was thrown.

With files from the Canadian Press

It will be interesting if the Supreme Court finds the Harper gov't in violation of the laws for failing to stand up for Khadr.

It will be even more interesting if the court orders the gov't to turn over the requested documents and to fulfill their legal obligations to Khadr.
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