| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/17/2007 3:41:19 PM | | Thank you to those posters who recognise second hand smoke as being detrimental to your health. It is certainly no myth, but very real. People can develope lung cancer from constantly inhaling second hand smoke, as optimistically says, it is alot more dangerous than many of you think. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/17/2007 3:58:45 PM | lol.. yah I can completely understand what you're going through right now sweetspuds. I quit smoking about three weeks ago.. I will take a puff of a ciggarette here and there when I'm drinking or when I'm totally off my rocker stressed out. But lets face it... (tramp) she's not judging ppl because they're smokers.. she is trying to quit something for her own health.. it's f'n hard to quit smoking and it doesn't make it easier when your partnet smokes.. cuz then you're around it all the time and want to do the same. I don't blame you for breaking it off with this guy.. it's your own choice!! smoking is a bad habbit.. I've done it for a long time, and at one point I enjoyed the habbit and now I don't... it's does a wonder of damage to your body! but anyways dear.. Whatever you decide is good so you shouldn't even be asking people if what you did was ok or not.. cuz if you felt the need to do it.. then that's alll you should care about!!! peace | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/17/2007 4:11:25 PM | | Hey Floridaman4u i could not have said it better myself........ | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/18/2007 10:30:19 AM |
People can develope lung cancer from constantly inhaling second hand smoke, as optimistically says, it is alot more dangerous than many of you think.
Sure, some can...just as some non-smokers who have never been around smokers can also develop lung cancer; just as those working in dry cleaning plants - smokers and non-smokers - can develop lung cancer from the Perkethelene; just as other can develop it from other chemicals in manufacturing, exhaust, etc. NO ONE knows 100% what causes lung cancer; just that some things *might* contribute to it for some people. Cancer is a mutation of our own cells; anyone's cells can mutate at some time in their life, but no one knows what causes a particular person's cells to mutate and not another's - even when they've both been exposed to the same factors. Having several people I know die from cancer, including lung cancer - smokers and non-smokers alike - I've learned a good amount about it.
Read up on things:
http://www.quitsmokingnews.com/
Also, if a smoker can get better after quitting, then how can second hand smoke cause *worse* damage to a non-smoker, as they're not getting anywhere near what the smoker is, the smoker is *also* getting sexond-hand smoke, and filters don't cut down much of anything for the smoker. The smoker does more to themself than to others, IMO...especially the considerate smoker who doesn't do it around others. I'm also interested to know why there's such a bias against cigarette, cigar and pipe smoke, and *nothing* against the emmissions from manufacturing plants, vehicles, lawn care sprayers, etc. These also have chemicals that may be carcinogenic and affect many more people than smoke does...so why aren't people trying to clean that up or ban those things? | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/18/2007 3:21:36 PM | Being a smoker I would say you shouldn't date us. Because we have faults but we admit them. We don't also feel the need to be around people that have turned rude and feel like they can say anything they like to us because they don't have that one bad habit. But I'm sure if they looked at their lives they would see they have a habit somewhere that isn't good or other people don't like. Why would you think of dating someone with a habit you don't like or want to stay away from...a free meal? Desperation...date notches on the bedposts? I don't know don't make sense to me..but heck what do I know I'm a smoker  | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 4:55:42 AM | A 40-year study of Californians, the largest study on secondhand smoke to date, has reached the conclusion that anti-tobacco extremists have been dreading: their claims about the health risks from secondhand smoke are bogus.
The study was published in the May 17 issue of the highly respected British Medical Journal. American medical rags didn't dare publish anything that doesn't support their all-out assault on smokers and the tobacco industry. Rest assured, the only data that will ever see the light of day in American health media will be the usual junk science that keeps the grant money flowing and the politics going their way.
This study is bad news for anti-tobacco groups who've based their demands for smoking bans entirely on the myth that secondhand smoke poses a health risk to non-smokers. The anti-tobacco crusade is upset because this study was conducted according to reputable scientific standards, a notion completely foreign to anti-tobacco groups. What's ironic is that the firestorm of controversy that they themselves are igniting might just prompt the media to finally look into the sordid history of junk science that the entire anti-tobacco crusade is based on.
Check out the full article at http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2224 | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 5:12:07 AM | One foriegn study stating the "safeness" of second hand smoke does not negate all of the other studies showing it as dangerous. Secondly, all of the rhetoric you quote in your post is not from the study but rather from a pro-smoking website so it lacks in credibility.
Smoking must damage the intelligence level of those who participate. How else can you justify supporting smoking. I will concede that smoking is a very addictive habit and that nicotene is a very addictive drug. However, to sit there and support smoking as a lifestyle choice despite all of the known dangers is simply asinine.
The vast majority of smokers today made the choice to smoke after the dangers were known and after the warnings were placed on the cigarette packs. Again, a sign of intellectual deficiency as well as a lack of concern for ones health. How can you decide to do something that you KNOW is so bad for you?
If you want to smoke in private and damage your health that is your right. But don't insult the rest of us by insinuating there are no risk factors for those that smoke and those of us that suffer around smokers. There is absolutely no way that you can support smoking as a life style choice. There is absolutely NOTHING positive about smoking. Well maybe, there are those really awesome Marlboro points that let you get really cool stuff from the tabacco company with their logo on it after spending thousands of dollars on their product.
Continue to smoke. But does us all a favor, admit it is an unwise choice. Admit you are slowly killing yourself and those around you. Stop pretending that smoking is a good thing and that it somehow benefits the smoker. The scientific evidnce is clear and has been replicated through multiple studies. Until this study results are replicated it is lacking in validity and cannot even come close to freeing second hand smoke from the blame for health issues. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 6:31:27 AM | | OK, I will admit that smoking is dangerous to the smoker. Do you drive your car or do you walk everywhere you go? Everytime a car is cranked it emits the same amount of toxins into the air as 50 cigarettes being lit at the same time. Do you talk on your cell phone and drive? Driving and talking is as dangerous as having drank several beers and positioned yourself behind the wheel. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 6:40:05 AM | Please stick to the topic. We are not talking about cars. We are talking about smoking.
There is a difference between smoking and car driving and it is a huge difference. In our society, smoking is optional, driving a car is not. A car is needed by 95% of the people in our country in order to exist. Smoking is needed by exactly 0% of the population to exist. So, if you are going to make comparisons make sure they are equivilent and not apples to oranges. Thank you. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 6:48:37 AM | | Whether they be equivalent or not, both emit toxins into the air. Do you always attack someone that disagrees with you? No wonder you are still single and on POF. And the crack on the intelligence, I am a student that has made the National Deans List every year I have been in school. My life choices have nothing to do with my intelligence level. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 7:09:19 AM | | There was no attack. It was simply stating the obvious. I amsure you are proud of your academic achievements, however there is far more to intelligence than just grades. Intelligence also includes avoiding those things that you know are harmful to yourself and others. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 7:23:39 AM | | Optimistically should stick to the subject which is DATING smokers, NOT smoking. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 7:29:52 AM | | I smoke but I am not a heavy smoker. I dont smoke around people that are in my company. I respect others that dont choose to smoke and have dated smokers and non smokers without any problems. I dont smoke while dining or immediately before or after. It is a very personal choice for a person to smoke and it is very addicting. I can say I have never been pulled over by the PoPo for smoking nor have I ever been pulled over for being behind the wheel for drinking alcohol either. Which is more dangerous, smoking, drugs, or alcohol? Its still a personal preference either way. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 7:40:40 AM | I am a considerate smoker as well. I do not smoke around others, regardless of the scene. I do not smoke in my car, my home or anywhere else there may be children. As I stated earlier, smoking is my choice.
I believe this forum was centered on whether or not to date a smoker. As a smoker I prefer to date a smoker but will date a non-smoker. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 7:43:02 AM | yea optimist people like you are bad for my health so get yourself euthanized you raise my blood pressure therefore you are hazardous to my health.Same logic the antis use but now its an attack hunh,geez people get a gripe all you whiney i'm so much better than you because i don't smoke heads up yer butt people,a lot of things can kill you don't like smokers stay the heck away,open your own bars and resturaunts leave those of us who do smoke the he&& alone,sorry but you health nuts are more than i can handle By your groups campaigning against my right to smoke ,you are poluting the air just as much as i am with your vehemence,I say if you want to do it,and if you dont like it,stay away and dont do it,we have rights to expression just the same as anyone else.  | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 7:49:00 AM | Last I knew, in this country the majority rules. Smokers are down to less than 30% of the population. Therefore, you can open you own bars and and restaurants and leave those of us with a desire to stay healthy on our own.
No matter how you spin it there is no way to logically, scientifically or rationally defend your choice to smoke. The proof is there that it is hazardous to your health and those around you. No way to defend this selfish choice you have made. You can try all you want, bring in arguements about all of the other hazardous things in this world. But, when it comes to smoking there is no way to defend your decision to smoke. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 8:28:47 AM | I thought this thread was supposed to be about the choice someone makes as to whether he /she wants to date a smoker or not, and NOT about the choices the smoker made to start or continue smoking in the first place....this isn't a thread to judge/bash/insult/analyze/put down/evaluate/question the smoker.....if one wants to start judging one's character based on whether one chooses to smoke or not, then I will exert my rights to question him/her on their OWN life choices....including their eating habits, their weight, their level on activity, their recycling habits, the car they drive (gaz guzzler??) and so on and so forth.....
As a smoker myself, I choose to not date non-smokers...and I respect a non-smoker's choice not to date me....big deal !!
We are ALL allowed to date whoever we please and the same as I respect other people's right to choose who THEY want to date, I also expect others to respect MY right to choose not to date certain people. For example, I do NOT date people who are racist/ homophobic/christians/ beer drinkers/bitter/angry/judgemental/arrogant/ignorant/narrow minded/have a better than thou attitude/nascar fans/gamblers/porn addicts/drug addicts/sports freaks... or people who describe themselves as attractive in their profiles......does that make me better than any of them???? NO!!!! It simply means we'd be incompatible and I simply leave it at that....to each his/her own I say and there's no need to bash anyone on the head with what amounts to just my own personal preferences....what is so difficult with people living their own lives and letting others live theirs the way THEY see fit??
Love and peace
EDIT: \/\/\/ Haha!!!!!! Unfortunately, you might be right....*sigh* | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 8:34:31 AM |
I do NOT date people who are racist/ homophobic/christians/ beer drinkers/bitter/angry/judgemental/arrogant/ignorant/narrow minded/have a better than thou attitude/nascar fans/gamblers/porn addicts/drug addicts/sports freaks or people who describe themselves as attractive in their profiles......
YIKES! THAT eliminates the entire dating pool on here! | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 9:39:10 AM | | i myself am a smoker and i tried to quit taking chantix(did not work) but i am a polite smoker and i will not smoke around other who don't. i chew gum and i wear perfume so i don't smell like smoke but i do not want to be told that i am a bad person just because i have a habit i cannot break. everyone has their vices and their own evils that we all deal with some people are stingy, some talk too much, some are conceited, some drink, some do drugs, some are just plain rude and nasty but if u really like this man don't throw him out just because of one bad habit. put yourself in his shoes. maybe he has tried to quit and just can't like myself. i hate when people judge others because of one thing. judge ye lest ye be judge and those who cast the first stone is those without sin. think about it. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 9:53:33 AM |
One foriegn study stating the "safeness" of second hand smoke does not negate all of the other studies showing it as dangerous. Secondly, all of the rhetoric you quote in your post is not from the study but rather from a pro-smoking website so it lacks in credibility.
There have been other studies done also; and most of the anti-tobacco stuff is from an anti-smoking website, so why would one from a 'pro-choice' website be viewed any differently? BTW, it's actually no a pro-smoking site; I see it more as a freedom-of-choice site. I'm not saying smoking is healthy; it's not...just as breathing in other forms of smoke and chemicals isn't healthy either...But the rabid irrationality of some people on the subject isn't justified, IMO.
Please stick to the topic. We are not talking about cars. We are talking about smoking.
There is a difference between smoking and car driving and it is a huge difference. In our society, smoking is optional, driving a car is not. A car is needed by 95% of the people in our country in order to exist. Smoking is needed by exactly 0% of the population to exist. So, if you are going to make comparisons make sure they are equivilent and not apples to oranges. Thank you.
We're talking smoking...and also other health risks that are just as dangerous to some as smoking can be to some. Also, a car isn't needed...people can live closer to where they work, bike in, walk, etc. A car is a convenience; not a necessity. BTW, did you stop drinking coffee when they said it was bad for people? Or did you just drink less - in moderation? Funny how things they've said for years were bad for one - coffee, wine, birth control pills - have now been found to have health *benefits*. Birth control pills went from causing breast cancer to *preventing* it...and all without changing their formulation. Anyone who believes *any* study 100% correct is someone who doesn't use common sense and their own mind to think, IMO.
No matter how you spin it there is no way to logically, scientifically or rationally defend your choice to smoke. The proof is there that it is hazardous to your health and those around you. No way to defend this selfish choice you have made. You can try all you want, bring in arguements about all of the other hazardous things in this world. But, when it comes to smoking there is no way to defend your decision to smoke.
Then you could also say there's also no way to 'logically, scientifically or rationally defend your choice to' drink socially. More and more people do stupid things when they drink, including getting behind the wheel of a car because 'they've only had a few' and 'they're fine'. There's proof this is hazardous to other people's health...actually to their lives. If smoking in my own home and car, when no non-smokers are present, is selfish, then IMo you need to look up the defininition of the word...I call that considerate behavior, not selfish...and none of us have to 'defend' our decision to smoke.
If you want more information, read the following:
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20030515/secondhand-smoke-study-raises-ire
Secondhand Smoke Study Raises Ire
Study Shows No Association Between Passive Smoke and Health Risks; Others Criticize Research
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26109,00.html
Second-Hand Smokescreens
Thirty-three studies on secondhand smoke had been completed by 1993. More than 80 percent of the studies reported no association between secondhand smoke and lung cancer, including the largest of the studies. The EPA reviewed 31 studies - inexplicably omitting two studies reporting no association between secondhand smoke and lung cancer - and estimated secondhand smoke caused 3,000 lung cancer deaths annually.
http://www.data-yard.net/43/1057.pdf
Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-98
Conclusions The results do not support a causal
relation between environmental tobacco smoke and
tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule
out a small effect. The association between exposure
to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart
disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker
than generally believed.
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 10:07:17 AM | | Hey optimistically talking on the phone kills people allso lets take every thing in to consideration not just one fault, look at the damage done by drunk drivers. if ever one want to be complety safe they wont leave thier home corase they can be bad allso. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 10:33:06 AM | | Thanks Pro. I had the facts but not the supporting data, not to mention I was tired of defending myself to someone who felt it necessary to attack everyone that disagreed with his biased opinion. You have summed it up nicely. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 10:53:52 AM | This topic is getting ridiculous.
I have almost quit now, and feel better every day, and yes I can smell the difference. However....
I would rather be stuck in a garage (doors and windows closed) with a hundred people puffing their brains out, than in that same garage with one car running! (doors and windows open or closed.)
No one is saying smoking is GOOD for anyone, but has everyone lost the ability to be rational????????? How can anyone say (KNOWING full well what the emissions from cars and other stuff is doing to our kids, animals and planet) are a necessity?
Bother....
well,I for one am sick of all of the debate. I have always respected other peoples homes and vehicles...so what is the big damn deal? I am quitting for myself, my own reasons, and not to please someone else.
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 5:14:45 PM | Smokers sure are a defensive bunch.
This thread has gone the exact same way most do. From, don't judge me... second hand smoke is not bad for you... it's about my freedom to smoke...cars are worse.
All the same clap-trap, different thread.
If you smoke, great, but don't act surprised that it's not popular. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/19/2007 5:15:34 PM | | I wasn't gonna post here again but if I can save one life it's worth it. I could care less about your websites or your little internet studies for or against. Guess what I do for a living, I diagnose lung cancer! 90% of my patients either smoke or have smoked and that is reality! Somewhere around 5% don't smoke, but lived with a heavy smoker. (hope you noticed lived with not live with) Oddly enough they are mostly women.The other 5% is anyones guess. I can tell you one thing that is 100% ,my smoking patients all say the same thing "I wished to God I would've of never picked up that first cigarette. My patients are suffocating they go nowhere without their oxygen bottles. Now as for second hand smoke it's really no big deal anymore, thanks to the non-smokers, in my city smoking is banned just about everywhere. Now if you'd like to see into your future have a friend put a pillow over head until you think your gonna die. If you like that feeling by all means smoke. But if you don't find away to quit. There is no greater pain than not being able to breathe. | |
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