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Posted: 9/21/2007 9:51:50 PM | london,agreed you aren't preaching true enuf,until your post to tramp anyway,but as this thread goes on i ntice you are sliding into the same attack mode as the rest of the anti's,so it would seem we all need to agree to disagree, and be done with it.Anyway
the ORIGINAL QUESTION would i date a smoker,i did before i smoked it didnt' bother me but like any other dating preference everyone should do whats best for them | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 9:52:16 PM | I am an occasional smoker......and I understand your choice especially after quitting. I occasionally smoke a pipe and 4 oz of tobacco lasts me about a year. I also enjoy an occasional cigar. Since they are expensive, I enjoy them about 6-8 times a year.
I have no problem with someone who smokes a good cigar or pipe, or even reefer...once in awhile.
It's the addicted, cannot go an hour without, smoker..cigs especially, that turns me off.
So many smokers say they are not as bad as drinkers...well, lemme tell you.I would be JUST as turned off by someone who had to have that first drink (or cig) as soon as they got up in the morning, then an hour later, and so on throughout the day into the eve until bedtime...?
Gross.
I mean..addiction is addiction. Come ON..get real here. Habitual drinkers, smokers, etc are ADDICTS. Crack, Nicotine, alcohol...etc...ARE addictive substances. Nicotine has chemical components that create addiction...and according to recent studies they are even more addictive than 10 years ago. And more difficult to quit.
Stop attempting to sugar coat it.
You smoke a pack a day..you ARE an addict. Same as the po bloke who snorts 5 grams of coke a day. Sucks down 3 bottles of alcohol a day...so on. All de same mon.
I don't intend this to Flame..just the way I personally see it. Been on both sides.
Not always a matter of "self-righteousness" .....just realism.
Curious. How many on this thread (smokers esp) would be OK with their partner drinking from the moment they rise, throughout the day, until bedtime? Or doing something else addictive all throughout the day and night? Just asking. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 10:01:43 PM | Again tall, it's not a personal attack on anyone, just stating medical and scientific facts, as I have done in all my posts on this thread.
I'm sorry if the smokers amongst you have a problem with that.
Going back to the op's origional question , would I date a smoker? again I will state heck no!!
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Posted: 9/22/2007 1:53:46 PM | I smoke and have done since i was 14, i've had patchs,gum etc with some results but i'm back on them ...
I think its good that you tell people about the new drugs & help, i would give anything to stop, and i thank you for letting people know about Chantix... Can you get this Chantix throu your doctor? i would love to try it if it gave me a better chance...
anyhow, i would rather be a none smoker, and would prefer to date a none smoker, even better if a can pack em up..  | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 2:08:08 PM | | I'm with you Pop! I recently failed on yet another attempt to quit smoking via gum/patch. (4th attempt). The longest I stopped was for 8 months but I always go back because I like it too much. I'd love to get the drug but its expensive and not covered by insurance (like that makes sense) and with my quitting history I'm not willing to pay the price. See, its a conspiracy, they really don't want us to quit. So I concede. I accept that I'm an addict and decided that I won't date a non smoker. So there! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 2:34:08 PM | Pop , I applaud you for realising that smoking is a problem for you, and are interested in the med Chantix. This is a prescription only med, although expensive, it really does work. You might want to talk to your doctor about getting started on it. As I have said in previous posts, it works differently to the patch or gum. There is no nicotine in Chantix, and it is used to block the nicotine receptors in the brain, therefore lessening your craving and addiction.
Good luck to you, and mucho kudos if you mangage to kick this addiction! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 2:44:00 PM | As a fprmer smoker, I would date a smoker.
As for Chantix, after my experience with it, I would tell anyone who was considering using it that the side effects can be very severe. It was because of the side effects, I very nearly gave up. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 3:35:33 PM | | Paz, yes there are side effects with Chantix, as there are side effects with most meds. The most appreciable ones with Chantix are nausea and insomnia. Most of these side effects usually diminish after a few weeks making the med more tolerable. I have had patients quit taking it because of the side effects. Two patients actually restarted the med after a couple of months, toughted it out that time, and both have successfully quit. Please don't let the side effects prevent you guys from at least trying it. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 6:47:50 AM | well thanks for the info london i had actually heard of that stuff might give it a whirl who knows,and um anytime you mention a name with sarcasm directed specifically at the name or person yes you are attacking whether u think so or not,as i said smoking and dating smokers are a matter of personal preference do it or don't its pretty simple without a lot of options not many gray areas,But at the end of the day the sun still sets in the west,andhappy fishing | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 8:54:09 AM |
I'm sorry if you and the other smokers on this post are offended by that, and you obviously are, as you are all in a defensive mode, trying hard to justify.........
Just what do we have to justify? You should be glad to know there are still people out here in this country that will stand up to the masses because they won't let people force their wants on them. Just because we stand up to non smokers that makes us in defense mode and we have to justify something? I'm standing up for my rights as a smoker. Believe it or not we have rights. We have the right to smoke. Yes we even enjoy it. If you don't enjoy smoking then why the heck do you do it?
Do you really enjoy inhaling all that nicotine, tar and carcinogens ?? Have you seen the black tar filled lungs of a smoker? Have you taken care of patients with chronic lung disease who cannot breathe, or the cancer patient who's lungs are full of tumors?
I guess not huh.........
Everyone enjoys something that is not good for them that people die from daily. But do they enjoy what they are doing? Usually unless they do it because they are weak and give into peer pressure. If we had to give up everything we enjoy I guess we would have to give up sex, alcohol, coffee, soda's, especially those diet sodas, red meat, on line dating if you run into the wrong person, the list is endless. You tell us of the people that die in studies but you don't tell us how many live normal full lives being smokers. My thoughts are I believe in God more than I believe in Doctors. He's already decided when its my time to go and how. He might decide I get hit by a bolt of lightening and die or he might decide I get cancer and die but that was decided along time ago and no matter what any doctor does it can't change the way I die. So I enjoy doing what I do because enjoying life is part of Gods plan. Not enjoying life is part of medical doctors plans. This reminds me of when my ex found out he had high colesterol...he went thru all the test..seen the all the doctors changed his diet only to find out his colesterol went higher..so they wanted to put him on medicine. He asked the doctor just how much more time will this give me..the doctors reply about 3 months. I looked at my ex and said..so you could go 20 years giving up stuff you enjoy eating for 3 more months of life..is it worth it to you. That was 12 years ago..he's still alive and enjoying life. I think he made the right choice. Enjoy your life all you can and leave it to God to say when its time to come home. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 9:16:19 AM | Of course you smokers have the right to smoke, just as much as we non-smokers have the right to object to having to breathe in your smoke. People are going to do whatever they want to do, whether it is good or bad for them. As a nurse, I am obviously going to continue to educate my patients about smoking, I don't want to see them prematurly end up as my hospice patients....... I have a 42 yr old dying from lung cancer, started smoking when he was 14 years old. You can leave it up to God if you choose, or you can do something to help yourself before that happens.
To the posters on here who are working on quitting or who have already quit, I commend you...... | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 10:13:23 AM | I guess that means we are greater than God if he chooses we die at that time and doctors and quiting smoking can change that. I for one believe we create a lot of our own illness by believing what we are told so our mind produces in our body what it thinks should happen. But there is a study I do agree with by f. Batmanghelidj, MD about not having enough water in our bodies causes alot of the things we spend millions of dollars on a year to not fix but keep on medicating. People might want to check out this site if they are worried and they don't stop smoking..www.watercures.com even if your not a smoker you might want to check it out it might save you a bunch of money by not going to the doctor because your sick all the time.
So this smoker is going to keep up her life style in excellant health and wonder why all the non smokers she works with are so out of breath and she isn't. I guess God and water have a lot to do with it here and what I believe.
The only non smoker I would date would have to know what tolerance is and know how to act it. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 10:31:11 AM | I smoke and recently had a gal tell me the ashtray thing... as someone else said, whatever floats your boat, but I don't need to be told it's bad, etc, etc, etc.
Afterwards, I mailed her an ashtray... she can kiss that henceforth.
DON'T DATE a smoker to begin with, PERIOD.
Be nice to have some consideration for that persons feelings and not let a relationship grow (or even begin), then blow him/her outta the water, thus hurting feelings and a persons heart.
To me, that's game playing.
My 2 cents.
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Posted: 9/23/2007 7:17:05 PM | hmm to all you smokers. u can smoke away and blow your smoke in my face as long as in turn i can bend over, aim my arse at your face and cut the cheese in your face
maybe that will show u how disguting it is to have to inhale the smoke coming out of your stinky facial rectums | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 8:32:36 PM |  JEEZ trubblemakr...THAT is just pretty UNcalled for...dontcha think?
Habits....addictions...are just that.
Perhaps not to be accepted...yet never to diss.
We ALL have our weaknesses...COME on! Bet YOU do....
Nicotine is a nasty addictive drug...
VERY difficult to elude once hooked...
NOT fair to attack the addicted...
All I have to say for those who Are addicted...stop with the lame excuses.
And for .....Those who blame...also STOP.
Only TWO major groups reaping Billions here....the Tobacco and Pharmaceutical Industries. Sigh. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 9:31:32 PM | it is interestin, but I have never smoked in my life
But i date smokers all the time. It is something about it that i like | |
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Posted: 9/24/2007 9:08:53 AM | aww poor poor anti smoker...did some horrible nasty person blow smoke in your pretty witty face?....keep your trousers on+lets lynch em instead..!wow that'd be fun eh?
tell you what..lets wait for some of our boys who smoke come back from Iraq+Afghanistan(bet theyre really pissin the enemy off over there with their vile habit)...stand near them when they light up+you tell em what you just posted on here....dont worry I'll hold your jacket while you thrash em...
get a f.....n life | |
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Posted: 9/24/2007 9:13:47 AM | | theres a message for you on here....cant be bothered writing it twice...need my fingers to roll another one.. | |
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| Dating a Smoker
Posted: 9/24/2007 9:25:35 AM | | I quit smoking over 5 years ago, for health reasons. Yeah I miss it sometimes, but I have to admit, I wouldn't be able to date a smoker because it really does play a number on my olfactory system. I can't wear perfumes anymore either but I won't ignore people who do ? Just common sense and good manners go a long way when it comes to sharing space with people who smoke. It works both ways. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2007 9:26:32 AM | | Stick it in your profile and make sure the guy is honest with you. If he tells you he's a smoker refuse to date him, and if he lies to you and pretends he doesn't smoke then lights one up, he's a liar anyway so he's not worth bothering with. I'm a smoker and I have a mention in my profile for people to keep away if they find it offensive, but nine times out of ten they say it doesn't bother them, it's only after they've dated me a couple of times and try to convince me to cut down that I realise they were lieing and I dump them. If there's something that really puts you off in a man, don't date him. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2007 9:42:51 AM | I think it is your right and that is the ideal situation. However, I could date a smoker that respects a non-smoker's space.
I dated a guy who claimed to be an occasional smoker but was actually a chain smoker.
He tried to control his smoking on the first date. However, on the second date he turned me into a smoked meat. Now because of this horrible date in the furnace I am looking for a non-smoker. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 8:08:52 AM | | I have really enjoy what you say about life and smoking...there is many things that can kill us,to much of anything is not good...to each there own...to many people try to tell ...you...how to live..what ..right...or whats...wronge....and its hard enough to manage our own life let alone someone else..most non-smokers are very rude and inconsiderate about smoking,even if your outside,what they dont realize is,when you get to the point of that much control in people life..whats next..they passes a law,they ..no smoking in the home...that also means...they can ..also enter there home also..just by someone saying so...this is... U.S.A..which..means...FREEDOM.... | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 8:49:17 AM | Meh, if they don't want to date a smoker that's their right. I don't mind being excluded from the dating pool they swim in on account of my dirty little habit. Really, aren't we both doing each other a favour ? Her for telling me she doesn't want to date a smoker and me for being honest about it in the first place. Seems to me that everybody wins.
I won't tolerate people giving me their preaching though. I go to great lengths to ensure that non-smokers aren't forced to share my habit. As long as it's legal I'm not going to apologize for a damned thing. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 6:22:57 AM | Every freaking smoker on here that is trying to defend that crappy, nasty, smelly habit is full of crap themselves and YOU ALL KNOW IT!
Each and every time you are sitting alone, in front of your computer, crusing the web, when you take that break to rest your ass cheeks and you go pick-up a bottle of Windex to clean your monitor while using toilet paper or some other soft clean tissue...
When you see all that tar and nicotine gunk on the cloth... When you see the trails of scum that has built up on your computer, the phone nearby, your other hardware or even your television across the room... YOU FEEL DISGUSTED, pissed-off and mad as hell because of the habit of smoking.
Moreover you feel hate and discontent against the fat cats in North Carolina that are raking in BILLIONS of YOUR DOLLARS each MONTH because YOU are TOO WEAK TO QUIT!
You all know you want to drop this nasty-assed, disgusting, stinking habit. You all KNOW it takes willpower and discipline but you all feel you lack what it takes!
You all know that at the drop of the hat that ANY tense moment you are going to grab for the butts in the ashtray and your rolling papers to roll the crap left over and smoke whatever you can find when you are out of smokes... You will smoke the damn ashes if you had to!
The truth is? You all CAN STOP SMOKING... You and your self-esteem will NEVER be on better ground as when you just flip that little switch in your head and say to yourself that these **stards in the cigarette industry are NOT going to make another "fu...ng dime off of me"...
I tried to quit HUNDREDS of times over a 35 year period. Hell, I could have quit when I was in Marine Corps Bootcamp, but they gave us an option to smoke... And yes! We enjoyed that "buzz"...
But the bottom line is, you won't stop until you are ready to stop. I figured QUITTING was too permanent, so I gave myself an open-ended option. I decided to STOP as QUITTING was permanent and I didn't want to break my word to myself... So I, "stopped". Giving myself the option of starting again whenever I wanted to.
That was November 2005 and I have been around smokers and all the after-effect crap and you know what? I have NEVER been more disgusted than when I witnessed a casual smoker go outside my house to smoke and then walk back in...
WHAM! That stench hit me like a rock in the face. I never felt so bad all those years that I have been doing that to my girlfriends, family members, children and others...
I am now on the "other side" and it's OK! It's OK for you guys to give up the BS battles of trying to defend that nasty-assed habit, put them down and not quit, but STOP for a little while.
It's OK to leave them in the kitchen cupboard and go watch a movie with a huge bowl of popcorn to munch on.
Hell, I put down cigarettes and picked-up on bags of carrots. Strange as it was... Carrots I could take antwhere and munch on anyplace I went. It worked for me. It can work for you... You just have to decide when you want to STOP, put em down and go about doing something different in your lives.
Better yet? You will be welcomed BACK to the other side of life where all of us Ex-Smokers are now living... Come on in! It's great! | |
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