| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 2:40:22 AM |
I cant even watch boxing anymore..." Throw an elbow!! " oh ya you cant.. " Take him to the ground" oh ya you cant.. I love mma because if one thing isn't working .. you have options.. boxing is terribly boring now.. I love wide punches!!! you either damage or get damaged...whats not to love about that?? I feel the same way even though I love Pacman. I play tennis, and to me it's like watching tennis, and then a version of tennis where you're only allowed to hit forehands. No backhands, serves, overheads, volleys, etc. Even if these guys have better forehands than people who play regular tennis, since it's all they hit, to me it would be an incomplete viewing experience. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 8:16:52 AM | ^ Let me try again: it's like watching Richard Simmons jazzercizing in his little pink shorts and and then telling him he's not allowed to kick his pudgy little legs and...
Wow, that's even worse. Hehe. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 12:49:33 PM | | IM GONNA SAY THIS. I WATCH THE UFC AND BOXING. I LOVE BOTH, BUT WATCH THE OLD UFCS, FROM DAYS OF DON FRYE ROYCE GRACIE, ECT, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT EVERYBODY NOW, NOMATTER WHAT THE STYLE BASICALLY FIGHT THE SAME. EITHER ITS A BOXING MATCH OR THEY ARE HUGGIN AGAINST THE CAGE. WATCH THE FEDORE SYLVIA FIGHT, THATS HOW THE UFC USED TO BE, THEY WOYULDNT ALLOW ANYONE TO FIGHT LIKE THAT IN THE UFC ANYMORE IT WAS TOO MUCH LIKE A REAL FIGHT!!!! | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:38:52 PM | The old UFC was banned just about everywhere - no place was going to allow that type of violence to continue. They did a wise thing by getting it sanctioned as a sport with some rules - far less rules than boxing. Grappling is very technical, and it can seem boring if you don't know waht you're looking at. But if you do know, it is actually very interesting to see these guys doing what they do at such a high level.
If you haven't rolled at all, it is very hard to grasp what they are doing - and how hard it is! Groundwork is FAR more draining than boxing or kickboxing. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 3:31:29 PM | | They are two different sports. I'm a fan of both, and boxers will outclass just about every mma fighter in the standup because that's what they do. While on the other side, just about every mma fighter will destroy a boxer on the ground. It is an entirely different game there and if you don't know how to defend, you will get submitted. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 3:59:17 PM | IM GONNA SAY THIS. I WATCH THE UFC AND BOXING. I LOVE BOTH, BUT WATCH THE OLD UFCS, FROM DAYS OF DON FRYE ROYCE GRACIE, ECT, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT EVERYBODY NOW, NOMATTER WHAT THE STYLE BASICALLY FIGHT THE SAME. EITHER ITS A BOXING MATCH OR THEY ARE HUGGIN AGAINST THE CAGE. WATCH THE FEDORE SYLVIA FIGHT, THATS HOW THE UFC USED TO BE, THEY WOYULDNT ALLOW ANYONE TO FIGHT LIKE THAT IN THE UFC ANYMORE IT WAS TOO MUCH LIKE A REAL FIGHT!!!! The old UFC was full of guys who wouldn't dare step into the ring these days. Back in those days, every martial artist thought their style was invincible. They could talk smack their whole lives. In the martial arts mags, you would occasionally see an article written by a guy who trained Navy Seals or something, Paul Vunack comes to mind, who would say something like "a good high school wrestler would beat 99% of the black belts out there" or "even a huge NFL linebacker with no training would beat most martial artists, just by bull rushing him and pounding him on the ground." Then you would hear "Gene Lebell (a judo man with submission skills) is the baddest man alive." There was also this kung fu studio in Ohio that would have articles in Black Belt all the time, their whole thing is "technique is not enough," you have to be strong. The myth of the 110 pounds, 90yo kung fu master clearing out a room is ridiculous. The Gracies were in these mags issuing an open challenge to any system. But their ad would be right next to one saying Silat was invincible. It was all theoretical. Until the UFC.
The Ohio kung fu studio... Paul Vunack... The Gracies... they were right, and the early UFC's proved it in bloody fashion. Lot of mismatches. Before then, you see Ninja versus Kick Boxer, and most people would pick the Ninja. Well, the ninja got his face smashed in. Karate masters who never got hit before completely freaked out as soon as their nose and mouths filled with blood. Huge sumo wrestlers were in tears in post fight interviews, stunned by their loss, uttering "I've never been hit like that before." For the first time, we were really seeing styles being applied. It wasn't all a bunch of talk. Claims were being put to the test in scientific fashion.
You're right in some ways that UFC today is not like real fighting in that most real fights are sloppy hay makers, then a sloppy wrestling match where both guys fall to the ground, ending with both men with barely a scratch on them huffing and puffing for air, just completely winded. MMA has evolved incredibly since the early days of UFC. Just look at how Royce was destroyed by Matt Hughest. Royce's style was never predicated on youthful strength and explosiveness, he was very methodical and patient, one could almost argue that he got better with age. Remember, his dad was still fighting in his 80's or something. But whereas in the early days Royce would beat guy who outweighed him by a hundred pounds, now a welterweight completely dominated him and ended the fight with Royce flattened on his stomach, fully mounted, getting smacked on the ears.
Unlike the early days, we now have a group of fighters who are full time MMA fighters. Not bouncers who train in karate, or postal workers who know judo. We're talking great athletes who do nothing but BJJ, striking, strength training, wrestling, submissions and cardio every single day. The 50th ranked middleweight of today would have been an unbeatable god in the earliest UFC's.
It's really been an amazing progression. Bruce Lee was right, you need to be good in every area, and use what works, don't get sucked in by martial arts dogma, most of the traditional stuff is worthless against a highly motivated, strong opponent. My one complaint is I hope true stylists continue to do well in MMA, because it's the matchups I love. Put Machida up against anybody and his style is so unique it's a must-watch fight for me. I hope everybody doesn't end up like a Rich Franklin, that there's a whole generation of kids growing up who don't train in wrestling... or muay thai... or shotokan karate... or whatever... but train in MMA from day one. That would suck. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 4:03:08 PM | | i agree you must be in top condition for either sport, and i have grappled some and have done some boxing, and ill admit grappling is far more demanding on the body. i know the rules in ufc have changed but i look at some of the fights and see openings during the grappling and i think why doesnt he go for that lol! but you have to admit, it has changed to the point that styles are almost non existent, its either a wrestling match, a boxing or kickboxing match. like i said WATCH FEDORE AND SYLVIA, and you will see what i meen. they just wouldnt fight like that if it was ufc. but i do love to watch both, im just sayin styles are lookin all the same to me. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 4:32:18 PM | Back in the day it was wrestler against kung fu..they would hold up there styles.. UFC was started to prove jin jitsu was superior...Now we know that you have to be a well rounded fighter in all areas Boxing, Mhui thai, and Bjj..... spelling?? whatever
I love the old days to but we do evolve... | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 6:04:57 PM | Well, there are boring MMA matches and there are blazing ones. Watch Griffin vs Edgar, or Sell vs Smith, or Penn vs GSP (1), or any of Miguel Torres' fights, Jose Aldo, Jon Jones.......etc. You'll see all ranges represented very well.
Tim Sylvia was never a great fighter IMHO. He was a good fighter that was huge. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 7:19:39 PM |
I'm a fan of both, and boxers will outclass just about every mma fighter in the standup because that's what they do
That's assuming that the MMA fighter doesn't throw any leg kicks. Most boxers would drop from one solid leg kick from a guy like CC or Machida. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/30/2009 7:26:55 PM |
Although boxing is the hardest trained sport in the world. Ive been a boxer for 6 years and if anyone knows after a few rounds your arms are lead.
12 rounds in boxing 3 mins, ufc 3 rounds 5 mins
Try motocross. I have been doing BJJ for 6 years, played hockey, lacrosse. Nothing even comes close to the level of fatigue and exhaution in MC. I like BJJ better, it's the most fun sport I have ever done, but nothing even touches MC for being demanding IMO. Not even close. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:56:01 AM |
Agreed. I was addressing the points above about (presumably any/all) grappling being boring.
I know Ken, I'm just trying to be fair and show both sides of the story. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/2/2009 9:33:11 AM | To say the old UFCs were more interesting is like saying a toughman competition is more interesting than professional boxing..its just a stupid thing to say.
Hell, Mark Coleman is considered a bumb on the undercard for UFC 100...
It wasn't that long ago that Coleman was widely considered to be unbeatable and taken the sport to its outer limits...
The difference between boxing and MMA is that boxing is stale and all the "greats" are in the past...MMA is evolving and the best fighters ever are either in diapers or not even born yet. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/3/2009 3:26:30 AM |
I know Ken, I'm just trying to be fair and show both sides of the story. Like a lot of sports, it becomes more interesting as you understand it better. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/4/2009 11:02:46 AM |
Grappling is not boring to me.. I hate it when people boo..
it just looks like two blokes trying to shag each other to me..ill stick to my boxing..a real tough warriors sport.. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/4/2009 12:38:48 PM |
it just looks like two blokes trying to shag each other to me..ill stick to my boxing..a real tough warriors sport..
Just in time, the clueless and uninformed chopper pipes in! What were we saying about folks that don't know what they're looking at..........?  | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 5:57:18 PM | lol kenpo..your a funny guy... i dig you man...but realy..swapping punches for 15 rounds aint no kids play.its a tough game..give it a go man..dont think you would last the distance somehow.... | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 12:53:13 AM | | Times have changed. The heavyweight champ of the boxing used to be the main thing in sports. Louis, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis etc.....who is it now? UFC is definately taking over | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 3:53:21 AM | | the trouble with ufc is..if you aint a trained grappler yourself..then like me..you dont know what your looking at..it just looks like 2 blokes rolling around..but i must admit..it is the nearest thing to a real streetfight than you could get..i think ufc is on its way up now and will get bigger and bigger in years to come..and will proberly take over from boxing in the mainstream... | |
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