| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 11:33:19 AM | It's something that you pick up the more you watch, Chopper.
I come from a boxing family myself, and love the stand up, but never had a problem with the ground game even back in the day when it regularly got boo'd by the crowd. It can get boring sometimes, especially if all a guy knows how to do is "lay-and-pray", ie. take the guy down and do nothing other than lay on top of him, but the same can be said of the stand up ... occassional pawing jabs, some head movement and general dancing about, the "occassional" loving hug between them, but nothing is really happening.
Not all boxing matches are exciting; though I personally wouldn't say that boxing is boring because of a few fights, or because I just don't appreciate the sweet science for what it is.
I think that there will always be a place for both boxing and mma. There's plenty of room, eh?
Boxers say that MMA reminds them of what goes on in the parking lot of a bar. Well, guess what youngins? Back in the day what went on there looked alot like boxing. Back in the schoolyar during the 80's we, ie. the crowd, used to stop a fight once it went to the ground. But anyway, in both cases, what is going on there is a "everyman's" version of either. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 12:25:55 PM |
I think that there will always be a place for both boxing and mma. There's plenty of room, eh?
This has pretty much been my point from the getgo, only that right now I'm more interested in MMA and that obviously stems from being a martial artist and having been well aquainted with the Serras years back.
I mean in the span of nearly a hundred years boxing has established a fantastic history. Right now I'd just like to see boxings heavyweight division get back to the way it was in the 80's and 90's. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 2:27:42 PM |
the trouble with ufc is..if you aint a trained grappler yourself..then like me..you dont know what your looking at..
Hey chopper, that is actually a fair comment. I remember watching Royce Gracie fight Dan Severn in one of the very early UFC's, and Royce ended up catching Dan in a triangle choke - something so obscure, at the time, that even the UFC's commentators didn't know what it was!  | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 4:00:22 PM | haha, keep saying that :)
boxers been saying taht for 6 or 7 years now and everyone is turning to the MMA world. You get 3 or 4 good fights and they aren't full of BS like Don King crapola. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/5/2009 5:43:46 PM | | i agree with that. i do miss the good boxin matches, used to love to watch tyson, holyfeild, lewis, leanord, liked winky and hopkins too. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/9/2009 10:12:29 AM | An apple and an orange are both fruit ....true ..but are 100% different. In a traditional stand up fight ..edge boxers....But change the rules ..lets add take downs ..leg kick and elbows......different results....
Street fighting ..boxer vs grappler......if the first punch connects..lights out....if it misses ..and the boxer is taken to the ground.....different outcome.
Until you have interered a ring or square circle...and had to defend yourself..I remembered what Bruce Lee said....take what works and disregard the rest. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/9/2009 1:27:59 PM | | if im not mistaken vitor belfort was a pro boxer and i tink he had 30 something boxing matchs unbeaten i add. belfort v tyson ring or octagon belfort 2-0. as for boxers goin more rounds and been fitter just go back to early ufc wen they had no time limits oh and no rules how wud tyson of dealt with a kick in the nads or a headbutt? | |
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DanM76
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/11/2009 8:52:20 AM | | One is chess and the other is checkers. Boxing is one dimensional while MMA has all different aspects. Quite frankly MMA is better to watch because of those different aspects. Boxing is the least affective form of martial art. Mui Taii is much better, combined with jujitsu, and solid wrestling base like greco roman wrestling. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/13/2009 1:35:16 PM | ufc, et. al MMA is a rehash of pankration. an ancient form of greek sport combat.
boxing, plus wrestling, plus submissions.
completely overshadowed sanda/sanshou chinese full contact striking with throws (way more exciting IMO, if i want to see BJJ i watch BJJ competitions.)
IMO if the fight goes to the ground and not dominant control is established in 10-20 seconds, the ref needs to stand the fighters back up. look at it like this, if two fighters clinch for too long, they break them up. thats called a strikers stalemate. same thing for grappling IMO. cut out the boring shit.
mma is a rule set that most closely resembles what an encounter would be like between two trained fighters squaring down and going at it. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/13/2009 4:20:41 PM |
same thing for grappling IMO. cut out the boring shit.
*sigh* 
It's not boring when you know what they are doing, bro. Having a 10-20 second stand -up rule would nullify most of BJJ's advantage. You often need time to set up the positions that set up the submissions. Submissions don't happen by accident, like KO's can. That's why the refs allow the fighters to go unless they are stalling. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/13/2009 10:54:50 PM | | I am pretty sure UFC fighters now are making more money and getting far more media attention then boxers are now, in fact MMA has greatly surpassed boxing for popularity to the point where boxing has pretty much bit the dust for media coverage and does not have near the kind of support. | |
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DanM76
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/15/2009 5:08:34 AM | 400,000 for Brock lesnar and he is the champ. Mayweather or Delahoya could earn ALOT more if they chose to do so.
I think once the fighters get paid the big big money then they will lose the "eye of the tiger". | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 2:00:33 AM |
Boxing is the least affective form of martial art. Boxing is very effective. Like muay thai, it's straight forward, no wasted moves. All else being equal, it's one of the best fighting styles out there. I would take a golden glover boxer over 90% of the karate black belts out there. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 2:41:42 AM | All of the separate disciplines get watered down in MMA.
That's not true at all. All the seperate disciplines have to be adapted to work against each other. BJJ with no striking is very different from BJJ with striking - defending against strikes makes the grappling game much more difficult. Boxing with no knees and elbows is very different from boxing with knees and elbows - boxers have to be very careful about bobbing and weaving into a knee strike.
Etc.
Re: the "glass chin". You do realize that MMA fighters use 4 oz. gloves, right? That is like getting hit with practically a bare fist. Boxers use 12-16 oz powder puff gloves. I have been hit with both, and I can assure you that the boxing gloves are like getting hit with a pillow in comparison. MMA fighters also have to deal with knees, elbows, etc. I doubt any regular boxer would be able to demonstrate better chin in the face of those differences. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 7:35:50 AM |
I would take a golden glover boxer over 90% of the karate black belts out there.
Yes matter of opinion coming up, but I'd take a black belt in Jeet, Ju-Jitsu, and Goju, even a kickboxer over a boxer any day. Boxing is straightforward but I view that as one of it's disadvantages, as a fighter you pretty much know what's coming. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:29:58 AM |
Tim Sylvia 'knew' what was coming and it didn't seem to help him. And what was coming was from an old, overweight, worn out boxer.
Ok well let me rephrase it then - you'd think that typically one would be able to anticipate and react to a boxer easier than an MMA fighter.
Regardless well played cyke, even I chuckled  | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 3:36:05 PM |
I regularly see MMA fighters knees buckle from punches that most boxers would giggle at.
If you don't think that 4 oz gloves make a difference, then you most definitely have NOT been hit by both. Boxers would get KO'd just as often as MMA guys if they had to fight with 4 oz gloves. Don't kid yourself. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 7:44:00 PM |
likewise you will never see a ground specialist, or kickboxer take any pro boxing titles.
Actually that comment is wrong. Not the ground specialist part, but the kickboxing part.
Vitali Klitschko, the WBC Heavyweight champion is a prime example of a former pro kickboxer going onto Boxing and winning world titles.
I think the same goes for his brother Wladimir too.
Matt Skelton is British boxer who did kickboxing professionally.
A kickboxer can do well in a Boxing ring. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:14:29 PM | | I like the different aspects of both, but too much grappling will affect the entertainment value of UFC. All things considered I'll take boxings classic bouts anyday....Ali/Foreman, Ali/Fraser, Tyson when he was sane and relevant, Holyfield/Tyson.....did it get any better than Hagler/Hearns 3 rounds? | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:48:15 PM | I like the different aspects of both, but too much grappling will affect the entertainment value of UFC.
This is probably true.
I wonder why it is that SanShou is not the up-and-coming fighting sport rather than MMA, because it has some great punching and kicking as well as spectacular takedowns, just no submissions on the ground. Saw some of Cung Le's SanShou fights on YouTube and oh wow, *that* was fun to watch!
I guess the Gracies beat everyone to the punch in terms of marketing BJJ as *the* more or less required core curriculum of MMA and the UFC. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/17/2009 8:54:24 PM |
You can believe that if you like, you're free to be wrong. I regularly see MMA fighters knees buckle from punches that most boxers would giggle at. I've been hit by both as well. Most MMA fighters can't punch worth a damn compared to the average boxer and they can't take a good punch either. There are always exceptions to every rule of course.
Since when was MMA about being able to purely punch someone out? That is what boxers do, I can guarantee that any MMA fighter could throw one kick at a boxer and he would fall no matter how strong he is. MMA and martial arts in general may teach the Way of the Fist, especially among Japanese traditions, however many of those guys are trained for ground fighting and leg work which is what UFC is heavily based on, very few guys fall to KO's aside from after a 5 round match. Kick a boxer in this hips and his mobility slows drastically, I know because I have sparred against boxers before and as someone who is trained in Goju Ryu as well as Brazilian Ju Jitsu and Kung Fu, I can safely say that punches are never a martial artists strong point, however aimed kicks can be highly effective, since we are never trained to punch to the face aside from dangerous situations. Back when I was a scrawny 5'5 110 pound 14 year old, I had lightning speed reflexes and amazing strength for the age as well but I was not big at any point in my training. I highly doubt any boxer would ever have been able to hit me because of my quick foot work, most people couldn't in competition because I was so fast that I was striking off points before they could even block my attacks. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/17/2009 9:03:17 PM |
I guess the Gracies beat everyone to the punch in terms of marketing BJJ as *the* more or less required core curriculum of MMA and the UFC.
Well that's just it, their style may not be that old but they were one of the earliest to enter the MMA field and I think their style is ideal for anyone who wants to get into the UFC, however having studied a few levels of their style, I think their ground work is pretty primitive from a showmans point of view, much like wrestling has gone the wayside as well, because the techniques are being used by everyone now. So really, Brazilian Ju Jitsu will always be the foundation for MMA fighters, however in due time people will adopt something else that is more effective and then you will see fights change.
I have to admit though that I never really paid much attention to UFC till 100 and a lot of what I saw reminded me of my training days which I miss very much, in the near future I intend on training again, hopefully with my original instructor too because he was not as senile fool like my second teacher. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/17/2009 10:46:00 PM |
Yes matter of opinion coming up, but I'd take a black belt in Jeet, Ju-Jitsu, and Goju, even a kickboxer over a boxer any day. Boxing is straightforward but I view that as one of it's disadvantages, as a fighter you pretty much know what's coming. Well, I said karate. A huge advantage a boxer has is they know how to take a punch. This can NOT be underestimated in its value. Not just physically being able to take a punch, but psychologically being able to retain your fighting ability with blood filling your nose, water in your eyes, etc. Most black belts are dojo warriors. This might also be true of some boxers, but the nature of their training makes it more likely that even if they're a sheep deep down inside, they'll be able to apply what they know in an actual street confrontation. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/18/2009 3:42:56 AM |
however having studied a few levels of their style, I think their ground work is pretty primitive from a showmans point of view,
You studied "a few levels of their style"? What does that mean? And what do you mean that their ground work is "primitive"? Compared to what?
I don't really understand the "marketing" comment from earlier, either. BJJ was "marketed" by it's use, destroying other opponents not trained in it. | |
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