| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/8/2007 1:16:21 AM |
are we not comparing apples and oranges here?
Go away. No girls allowed.
why has this even been brought up? i looked at this thread with curiosity and found just as i thought... it was a complete load of garbage.
You too, lady. I've got $40 riding on this "load of garbage", so if you don't mind, go fly a kite near a cliff.
what the hell is the need for this thread!
It shall be used to establish/unify POF's undisputed thread champion.
Kunta, I think you've made some excellent points here, with respect to allowing two different sports to compete in each other's arenas.
Personally, I'd like to see more chess-players go tete-a-tete against archers.
Chess versus archery. Who will be the winner? You decide. Personally, I thin most chess players would beat most archers in a game of chess, but, that is, afterall, their "turf". Likewise, most archers would beat most chess-players at archery.
Which is why we need a nwe paradigm altogether. We could make the playing field similar to the old Roman Gladiator arenas, where one gladiator had a trident and a net, and another gladiator was armed with a sword and shield.
We could have the chess player armed with a stapler and a chess-board, and the archer given a bow but no arrows.
It's threads like these that make my favorites list grow. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/8/2007 2:53:17 PM | i kind of agree with Kunta_Kinta.
what has always confused me along the same lines too is if all these nascar drivers are so fast why don't they enter the kentucky derby? put them on a horse then we will see how damn fast they are, bunch of bumbs. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/8/2007 3:41:03 PM | There was a top ranked boxer in one of the early early UFC's and after 2 Dan Severn suplex's, he was out cold!
The reason is this has never been decided is because no boxer has ever had big enough balls to step into a MMA match. Most top ranked boxers only wanna get paid, not fight to see who is best! | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/10/2007 5:06:51 PM | Boxing is lame!!!
UFC has made it officially dead.
RIP to lame boxing.
UFC = EXCITING FIGHTS!!!
Boxing = Lame boring 12 round hug fests | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/12/2007 7:25:15 AM | UFC did nothing to boxing.
Boxing has been self harming itself for years. The danger is, that people are holding UFC responsible for Boxing's problems and I don't think that is the case.
Having been to both Boxing and MMA events, I definitely left the MMA shows feeling that I got a better nights entertainment, than I did when I left the boxing shows. 75% of the fights were competitive, whereas at the Boxing shows, (here in the UK) I have seen an 8 fight card of which 6 of the fights were prospects taking on journeymen who had very little chance of winning the fights.
Personally I believe that there is plenty of room for both sports to survive. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 4:26:41 PM | Ahhh, what a terrible publicity stunt at that press conferance. Its sad that boxing still has to lay down these phony press conferances to attract attention back into the sport. U can tell they really are desperate. UFC is killing them on the PPV cards. Once all these washed up boxers get to old to fight, there won't be any more big names or interest to draw enough fans. T
The sport really is dying, people would rather see a real fight in a cage rather than a couple dudes in a ring wearing padded gloves. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 4:49:26 PM | boxing and ufc is like apples and oranges, i must say i enjoyed the days of hearns, hagler sugar ray, roberto(that tough mexican with the biggest heart i have ever seen.) Then we had the heavy weights so many great ones...it seems after tyson got out of jail he was never the same neither was boxing.
I have watched ufc many times, for me it never brought out the feelings of the good old days of boxing.
Correct me if i am wrong its a generation thing, i do look at the crowds of ufc people and they are definately not boxing people. (like the canuck fans , are completly different than the grizzly fans)
one thing for sure in ufc when they fall to the mat, its time for me to go to the bathroom so when i come out the round will be over and the will be standing for the next round. I have watched ufc number 1 to present it was so much better in the tank abbot days . the most boring fight was silvia vs couture the winner should have been who ever sucks more sweat out of your apponets armpit wins. or if you crack some ones head open like a coconut they win. thats the scary part of todays ufc fans want to see that (i have listen to all your barbaric comments like the roman days, when i watch the pay per views at a bar..can not belive how disrepectfull they are to the looser may as well chop his head off your your satisfaction losers) where as boxer we have more class ...we are thinking knock out on a worst case senario. I will stick to the boxing, i will add if you are a fan of ufc please do not message me. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 7:05:06 PM | WHAT!!! The Coutour / Silvia match was a classic!!
Fans have been dying to see Silvia get manhandled!! Coutour came in there and did everything right from beginning to end.
If you knew about the strategy of MMA, you would appretiate Coutours efforts in beating Tim Sylvia. Any true MMA fan would call that fight a classic win for Randy Coutour.
Fortunately we should NEVER see Tim Sylvia get close to that belt. He is defeintely the worst Heavyweight title holder to ever hang on to that belt.
That fight still had more action then that god awful De La Hoya fight. 12 rounds and nothing even happened...how much you pay for that?? RIP Boxing!!! | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 1:42:08 PM | die-hard boxing fans better team-up with die-hard wrestling fans because the UFC is here to stay...all u gotta do is watch the ratings fall. Now the UFC needs to be careful and not become corrupt like boxing is. At times, I see it heading in that direction.
Bring back the tournament!!!!!!1
I am a big Tim Silvia fan (me and my friends call him "Big Sloppy") and Pierre is by far the baddest boy in the business right now...that Sara fight was a fluke. "The Spider" is pretty legit too.
Tito better get rid of the porn star. That last fight was about the worst fight I have seen in a while.
The jury still out on Rampage...gotta see him a couple more times. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 2:22:02 PM | Are you serious about being a big Tim Sylvia fan!!?? Please you can't be serious. The only fighter I've seen who's ever taped to a heel hook. Tim Sylvia is an embarassment to the sport.
Rampage hasn't even showed off his skills yet. In Japan he had lousy trainers and still dominated his division. (other than Shogun, and Wanderleigh Silva)
Rampage usually slams the shit outta people and beats there ass on the ground. We haven't seen it happen yet cause now he's knocking people out before he even gets the chance. He will be a champion for a very long time. U really have to see his fights against Wanderleigh Silva, sure he lost but he really took him to the test which very few people have ever done.
Noone is even worthy enough to fight Anderson Silva. All the former pride fighters coming over have to competition against these weak UFC fighters. The competition is alot steeper in Japan.
Pride Fighters such as Anderson Silva and Rampage Jackson and can easily dominate their divisions. Fedor Emelianenko will fight some time this year too, Coutour isn't going to be champ for long. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 2:25:40 PM | I was an instant "Big Sloppy" fan when he came to the ring with a water bottle in one back pocket and a towel in the other with his champion belt on (he wasn't even fighting that night).
Gotta love a fellow redneck. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 2:29:01 PM | | ..but he fights like a ****. All he does is keep his distance and try to get a decision victory. That fight against Jeff Monson was a joke. In fact all his fights are a joke, he'll never win the belt again....in fact he'll probly never win a match again. I hope Frank Mir breaks that fat useless **stards arm again!! | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 2:45:44 PM | | If he does get past Frank Mir I hope they book him a match with Cheick Kongo. I'd love to see his fat belching ass get his face re-arranged. But seriously the heavy weight division is getting alot better now. Tim Sylvia won't last much longer cause there are fighters now who are actually talented, such as...Mirko Crocop, Gabriel Gonzaga, Cheick Kongo, Minotauro Noguira, and of course Randy Coutour as the champion. It really is a relief to see the belt go to a respectful champion. As a huge fan of the sport it really hurts to me too that u are ahuge fan of him. Please re-consider I beg of you. LMAO!!! j/k. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/13/2007 10:13:08 PM | There really is no way to compare the two. MMA combines far too many other elements in it's fighters where Pro Boxing does not.
Personally I find both sports to be equally entertaining to watch, but to compare them is a mistake.
Put it this way - PBF is about as ready to fight the UFC Lightweight Champ about as much as Randy Couture is ready to find Wlad for the Heavyweight title in boxing.
They are not the same sport - you cannot compare them nor try to mix them. It just doesn't work well.
This is not to say that MMA guys couldn't box, or vise versa (this is happening and has happened already with some degree of success on both ends). | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 3:35:07 PM | | trust me i am not a fan of sylvia, but at the same time u have to respect how far sylvia has come, he has worked very hard to lose weight around his waist(ask any one tring to lose weight how difficult it is) sylvia just keeps on getting better, sometimes u have to lose to get to the next level, to lose to randy was a lesson for syliva, it would not suprise me if sylvia goes undefeated for a while, yes claiming the heavy weight title,again and this time not losing it ya ya ya say what u want but reality is if u have an eye for talent, like my self and do not let jaded jugdement in your way, u would see he is a true champ, once again i do like him, but i am aware of the damage this guy can do. WE will have to wait and see wont we......word has it he is in the best shape of his life and he is still young. No one has ever got a punch on him, it was easy for randy, he was clever enough to get sylvia down to the mat, rest assure no one will be able to do it, do not think any one can do it, because randy made it look easy. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2007 5:53:17 PM | Having trained in both sports, I can tell you frist hand that they are in fact, apples and oranges. It's all relative to your preferences, because they aren't the same thing (although there is a misconception that they are). First off, boxing isn't fighting (although some boxers are 'fighters'), so for those of you that like to have these mythical matchups of MMA/Boxers, you're never going to have a solid conclusion. Both are arts in their own respect.
As for me, well, I've always grown up with boxing in my home, so I think I naturally appreciate it more. However, I am able to appreciate the faster and more brutal pace of MMA. I think it's popularity is a reflection on the youth of today's desire for microwaveable entertainment. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2007 3:52:57 PM | Scottytohottie!! Are U serious?? The Heavyweight division is now stronger then ever!! Theres no chance in hell he is even going to come close ever again to winning that belt. Do you actually believe that Syvlia is capable of striking with Cheick Kongo, Minotauro Noguira, or Gabriel Gonzaga??
Just take a look at his fights, he doesn't fight like a true champ. Fedor Emilianenko would embarass him!! (next heavy weight champ once his contract is done) Any true MMA fan mocks Tim Syvlia on how he is an embarassment to the sport and proves why Pride Fighters are much more superior than UFC's.
No one has ever got a punch on him?? Andre Arlovski knocked him down in under a minute than embarassed him with a heel hook. WHO TAPS TO A HEEL HOOK??
The reason why Randy made it look easy is because finally some one GOOD actually entered that division and took him out. Now that the heavyweight division actually has some talent in it. U won't see any more fat belching retards become champion.
End of story and I PROMISE you that. Sylvia might be able to defeat Frank Mir by using his typical cheap tactics, (cause Frank Mir is washed up) but thats as far as he's going I guarantee it!! | |
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Posted: 7/17/2007 5:49:34 PM | Sylvia had no game, he has an abnormal size and build that gives him a huge advantage. That was the only reason the guy had the belt, the size and reach he had made it difficult for anyone to really take him down. That, and any challengers he has faced since taking the belt back, didn't really try much of anything.
His size advantage, in absence of any real MMA skills, would only work for so long anyway. Randy displayed that Sylvia has nothing in when he has to face someone that has great skills and the drive to push the fight. In sum, Sylvia was dismantled because he didn't bother to develop any talents besides the basics and it showed.
As CrunKeith stated, now that the depth heavyweight division has grown, Sylvia wouldn't last long against people like Noguira. Sylvia's time is done. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 7/18/2007 12:39:28 PM | Of course they can't compare. They are different sports, insofar as they are both fighting sports.
And, no, I don't think that a boxer could compare to a MMA fighter.
Boxers develope a very narrow range of tools and are instilled to discount various attacks and defenses, to the point of habit and instinct.
And MMA guys probably aren't looking to make the millions that boxing has to offer as a result of all of the corruption in the sport. So much that it makes professional wrestling/sports entertainment look real.
How much money does Tyson have these days? An ear and some change?
Some guys just want to "fight"... to *compete*. If they can get some half-decent pay for that, then thats great. They don't need the headache that comes with the business end of boxing. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2007 2:38:31 PM | hey crunkeith, u do know your stuff, i have read your prev post, you are knowledgeble i agree. I have watched ufc from the 1st one, i must say i love the old way, however it was considered to barbaric by the governors of each state who do not know what the heck its about. its funny back in the old ones no one reallly got hurt, there were tons o roumours how someone died, it seemed more people followed the romours than the fact. If the new changes were not made there would be no ufc ( unless undergroud )
I do see sylvia as one of the old timers(even though he is not) i believe he could sweat it out to fight 5 people in one nite the way it used to be & win. I am not aslyvia fan I am waiting 4 some one to crush him, u r right about andrea, sylvia tap out like a baby, i guess no one hit him that hard before, so he just tapped with his head not his heart. look what he did in the rematch, he won, i beleive he learned not to tap if in trouble, his next fight was couture, ground game from the beginning, slyvia just could not bring his game, may be he has a problem fighting good friends. I am dieing to see sylvia next fight, as u say there are stronger fighters, there will have to be because with lessons he took from andrea/couture he is a better fighter now than before..as one would say i believe the (young) giant has woke up. only time will tell. as it will take stronger fighter to deal with the maniac. I really think he will be something special as his corner people tell him...have u seen the shape he is in now. either way it we be a sell out. also if slyvia loses i will eat some serious crow. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2007 3:21:07 PM | OP would lose every penny he owned if he bet on a boxer over a MMA fighter.
if a MMA fighter can take sometimes 15+ clean shots to the face with a 6ounze glove he could stand there and take plenty with the 14s.
mike tyson, yes could beat probably any MMA fighter, mayyybe ill give you that....quinton jackson could give him a good fight.
but Floyd Mayweather wouldnt last a single round with chuck liddle. liddle wouldnt knock him out easily and make floyd cry like a little ****. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2007 5:16:34 PM | Well, if there is one thing boxers can do it is stand up and strike with their hands. No one hits with the same power a boxer hits with. But then, thats specialization for you.
You need more versatility in MMA, 'cause you need to be prepared for different styles if nothing else. The rulesand the ref are not going to force someone play the boxers game... the boxer has to.
Boxing isn't a bad foundation, but you have to build on it, and develope MMA habits/expectations, if you're to going to be competative. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2007 7:11:41 PM | I will say if you were to but Tim Sylvia back in the old days with tournaments. Hell ya he'd dominate!! He does kind of remind of me of an oldschool UFC fighter with a little bit better striking skills. Again, another reason why I think he's terrible because with all this new breed of mixed fighters...its too much for him now.
I will say one good thing about Sylvia and that he is apart of the best camp!! The Miletich camp is one of my favorites and without a doubt some of the best fighters come from there. Pat Miletich is a very smart fighter, his camp is the best in the world and one of the best all time welterweights (Matt Hughes) is also from there.
Well, you could argue all day who has the best camp. I do also respect the Gracie and Noguira family. I have alot of respect for Brazilian Ju Jitsu and what an impact its made.
Sylvia's fight against Monson showed how much his ground and take down defence improved and thats all thanks to his top notch training.
Thats all the credit I'm giving to Tim Sylvia. lol!! | |
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