| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/29/2007 7:56:56 PM | I don't understand why there would even be a question? I love BOTH boxing and UFC/MMA. They are entirely different sports. It's like saying that a basketball player couldn't do well in a hockey rink... Boxers beat each other with only their fists. MMA fighters use their whole bodies. They are trained to do different things. I don't want to see a boxer fight an mma fighter. I want to see a boxer box and a mma fighter fight  | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/30/2007 7:03:22 PM |
Now, that UFC champion Sherk is shown to be a CHEATER and ROID user, his offer to fight a boxer under MMA rules is very pathetic and laughable. Boxer Kermit Cintron has offered to fight the UFC champ but now the UFC has a problem. A PROVEN dirty Chumpion casts aspersions on the organization.A challenge offered by the UFC head to boxing has been accepted but there is no UFC champ at that weight class.
Right. Because no boxers take roids?........Holy ****, this gets better by the minute. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/30/2007 7:09:09 PM |
I disagree. I believe Fedor is without question the best mma fighter in the world right now. He is a beast. However, he is beatable. I've seen him knocked down by a single punch. Vitali Klitshscko could land that punch with more power than Fedor has ever been hit with. VK also would have a HUGE reach advantage to go along with a big striking power advantage. VK was a Muay Thai fighter as well. Fedor would HAVE to bring VK to the ground to win. On the ground against Fedor VK would tap out regardless of amount of training. Still, there is a very GOOD punchers chance that VK could catch Fedor coming in or backing up suffeciently to knock him out.
Terrible example. Fedor got hurt by a punch from a guy while he was striking with the guy. WHILE HE WAS CHOOSING TO STRIKE WITH THE GUY. There is no way that Fedor would waste time striking with Klitschko. He'd take him down at the very first opportunity. And you forget that Fedor has dominated some excellent standup fighters at standup: Cro Cop (K-1) Big Nog (decent boxer) to name two. He didn't just beat them in the match, he embarrased them at their own game. He checked Mirko's kicks and countered his punches, and he......well....just punched Nogs head in TBQH. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/30/2007 7:11:18 PM | Just for the sake of stating it. The Fighters from the most recent event passed the drug tests.
http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/ufc-74-fighters-test-clean-for-steroids/
Frig, roids are present in almost every sport out there. People test positive ALL the time, look at baseball, Tour De France, the Olympics, etc, etc. Just because Sherk was a tool, it doesn't mean ALL mma fighters are on drugs.
Nice blanket statement there tho. Under that logic I can conclude that all boxers are mindless abusive animals because Mike Tyson is....it's stupid when you think about it eh? | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/30/2007 7:18:17 PM |
For the most part the top mma fighters are strikers because more often than not in a match between a striker and a grappler the striker usually comes out the winner
I think you meant this the other way around. For the most part grapplers would almost always beat strikers assuming neither had any skills at the other's game.
And as far as MMA champs right now, lets look at a few:
Sherk: primarily a wrestler
Serra: Primarily a BJJ guy
Henderson: Greco wrestler mainly
Fedor: Primarily a Judo/Sambo guy
Silva: Muay Thai but also a BJJ black belt
Jackson: Primarily a wrestler
Gomi: Primarily a grappler (also has good hands)
etc etc.....granted most of these guys have skills in striking as well. But I don't know what you mean about most champions being strikers. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/30/2007 7:21:44 PM | high procrastination:
Well don't forget there is clearly a lot of people who are NOT CLEAN passing tests, so simply passing proves nothing. I mean how did Randleman go so long before he finally got caught? Either he wasn't tested (in which case the NSAC are idiots....I mean who WOULDN'T test that guy?), he was using effective masking agents, or some one liked him.......a lot. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/31/2007 4:49:18 AM | who knocked fedor down with one punch?
the Klitchkos would have a one punch chance when Fedor shot in, then Fedor would slam them on their ass and they would tap in 5 seconds.
Crocop kicks vs Klitshckos punching power would be an interesting match. Fedor would be a joke though. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/1/2007 11:18:16 AM | | YOU CANT DO BOTH,at some point of a fighters carear he has too chose as MMA training would hurt you in the boxing ring and vise versa,plus a lot of MMA fighters come from martial arts training and never learn boxing untill their well into thier carears | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/1/2007 12:58:23 PM |
For the most part the top mma fighters are strikers because more often than not in a match between a striker and a grappler the striker usually comes out the winner
I think you meant this the other way around. For the most part grapplers would almost always beat strikers assuming neither had any skills at the other's game.
I'm pretty sure that Royce Gracie laid this one to rest back when the UFC was in it's infancy and MMA was only "mixed" insofar as it pitted different techniques vs. different techniques.
This revelation was the catalyst in the actual mixing and rounding out of techniques that more or less defines true contemporary MMA as a martial discipline in it's own right. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/4/2007 6:34:57 PM | I agree to a certain extent. I think any UFC fighter would get crushed because of the lack of endurance. UFC is built for short-term, and usually it goes to the ground where they can catch their breath and "refuel" so to speak.
I am a huge UFC fan and I find it more exciting to watch over boxing because they do mix it up. Boxing is the same thing and goes on for way too long in my opinion though I guess football is the same and I love that. I was never a huge boxing fan but would agree with you that in the long term 9/10 a boxer would win in a fight over any UFC champ. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/4/2007 6:49:53 PM | lakeshorewalk, thats just flat out wrong.
The most energy spent is on the ground. Thats two guys going force against force the whole time for position, thats way harder than throwing punches and moving around.
I bet its only a matter of time before we see some freak show match like this. Mark Cuban is going after Fedor now to get in on MMA. If he signs Fedor MMA fans should start begging for Fedor vs Wladimir Klitchko. That would sell huge, Cuban is obviously smart business wise. He must know he would have to do one off pay per views like this because the UFC is too strong. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/4/2007 7:01:11 PM | | Trader are you kidding me? If they have a guy in full guard they have control and sometimes I have seen them rest.. I'm not saying UFC ground work is a breeze but it's easier then anything in boxing. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/4/2007 7:21:36 PM | Try it then. Shadow box for 10 minutes, then get someone to wrestle with you for 5 minutes. see what one makes you more tired.
At the top MMA level the guy who pulls full guard is working for a submission. Anyone who would catch their breath would get submitted.
This is pointless though, we need Fedor vs whoever the most baddass heavyweight boxer in the world is. I would pay 100 bucks to see Fedor kill the guy in 30 seconds. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/5/2007 7:53:45 AM | This is a subject very close to my heart.I am a pro boxing trainer and currently co train ufc fighter .jeff the snowman monson.
Like you said the two sports are totally different combat sports.
The heavyweight boxing champ of the world was once seen as the baddest man on the planet.No longer is this so .In mma we have seen the total evolution of unarmed combat in sport.
Anyone who knows anything about training, knows that fitness is sport specific. The muscles and energy systems that come in to play are very diffferent.So to say one is fitter than the other is irrelevant.
What we should all be doing is commending the courage ,dedication and skill of all fighters regardless of whether its a boxing ring or an octagon they step into . | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/5/2007 8:12:13 AM | Actually, the Lay 'n Pray is alive and well. Ideally, the guy on the bottom is working for submissions, but often enough is just hanging on and breathing. This is a large part of why ground fighting still has the 'boring' stigma attached to it.
As for the endurance issue in general, I think it comes down to either sport being a challenge. More rounds would require a lot of extra cardio for an MMA guy, and longer rounds with different levels of exertion would require the same from the boxer. I think the telling point would be the clinch myself. Boxers hang on and clinch when they're tired, to get a break. In an MMA environment, that's deadly. The muay thai, greco roman and judo techniques offer the MMA fighter a lot more weapons, and fighthing the cllinch for a minute more is probably more tiring than ground work or striking. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/8/2007 10:45:42 AM | In speaking about grappling, the most energy is indeed spent on the ground, even from the bottom....though I'd have to think the clinch is no picnic.
The biggest hurdles affecting most grapplers is the short amount of time (5 min rounds) you're able to invest in looking for a submission...that and boorish American fans who'd boo at a funeral... | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/8/2007 12:08:17 PM |
who knocked fedor down with one punch?
I've never seen Fedor knocked down, in his professional career at least. I think the person is referring to his fight with Fujita about four years ago. Of course, the punch didn't knock Fedor down, although he was doing some air-swimming. Like any smart fighter, though, he instantly got Fujita in the clinch, dumped him, and then choked him out. If anything, that just shows how smart of a fighter he is. It also shows that he learned from his mistakes. No other striker has hurt him in such a way in four years. Hunt came close with a near-kimura, but that was probably because Fedor didn't think the K-1 dude would try that! | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/8/2007 5:33:26 PM | | UFC are Boxing? It is two different sports but I have lost interest in boxing and UFC is much more entertaining and any MMA fighter in a street fight would come out on top which makes it the real deal as far as i am concerned.Rampage is fighting tonight against Henderson and should be a good one but I am really looking forward to Bisping and Hamill.What a match! Boxing never has this this type of talent on the same card and its even free.Boxers are ok but the difference is that in the UFC if you get knocked down the ref doesn't stop the fight.Then what? Well, maybe your arm will get broken are maybe you will be choked out unitl you take a nap but either way i find it to be much more entertaining to watch. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/8/2007 11:07:53 PM |
A boxer has the edge on fitness levels, defence, stamina, ring craft etc boxers have to be prepared to fight for 12 rounds. UFC fights rarely go the distance. They have no fitness, no stamina. When you watch their punches they are just sloppy and it just looks like street fight at times and that's what UFC is a STREET FIGHT. -Kunta Kinta
I think you need to do a little more research on MMA. Quite a few of the fighters out there are former Olympians... Henderson, Lindland, and Yoshida are examples. They aren't tough guys they just pulled off the streets, they are professional athletes.
Of course they aren't as good at pure boxing as a boxer. The reason why is because they have to be good at several combat arts to be successful. A one dimensional boxer will get destroyed in a fight if he doesn't know how to defend take downs, submissions, kicks, knees, and ground strikes. A one dimensional wrestler won't do well against submissions on the ground, and strikers who knows how to sprawl. The best fighters are the ones who have the fewest holes in their game.
By the way, you really don't have to turn this into a competition. Why not just enjoy both sports and appreciate the fact that they are different? | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/8/2007 11:14:23 PM |
I've never seen Fedor knocked down, in his professional career at least. I think the person is referring to his fight with Fujita about four years ago. Of course, the punch didn't knock Fedor down, although he was doing some air-swimming. Like any smart fighter, though, he instantly got Fujita in the clinch, dumped him, and then choked him out. If anything, that just shows how smart of a fighter he is. It also shows that he learned from his mistakes. No other striker has hurt him in such a way in four years. Hunt came close with a near-kimura, but that was probably because Fedor didn't think the K-1 dude would try that! -saintgasoline
Ya, I don't think Fedor has ever been knocked down in his professional career. Outside of the Fujita punch and the Randleman suplex, I haven't seen him in any real danger. I think his biggest weakness is how easily he gets cut in fights (the recent Lindland fight is a good example). If he eventually signs with the UFC, I'd hate to see him lose via cut stoppage after getting hit with an elbow. Hopefully he is working hard at learning how to defend elbows. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/13/2007 5:22:09 PM |
The most energy spent is on the ground. Thats two guys going force against force the whole time for position, thats way harder than throwing punches and moving around.
I disagree. It depends on how good your jits is. Any BJJ guy with a weak guard or weak defense probably will not be ABLE to rest. But a BJJ guy with a sick guard will be able to relax and get a breath. Have you ever seen Fedor look like he's fighting with all his strength on the ground? On the contrary the guy looks like he's rolling with his team mates even when he's caught in a deep Kimura or someone has is back. | |
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| MMA OWNS Boxing... just face reality.
Posted: 10/13/2007 5:50:51 PM | Mixed martial arts owns boxing.
UFC changed the rules of the past.
Boxing is still interesting to watch, but it doesn't hold a candle to MMA... I think the audience is proof enough of it. | |
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| MMA OWNS Boxing... just face reality.
Posted: 10/15/2007 10:54:30 AM | | Probably the most tiring thing is a good takedown struggle, both attempting and defending. In the standup game you get regular mini-breaks from physical action, even if they're just momentary. If you let up for an instant in the clinch in an MMA match (very different from the boxing clinch game), you're going to pay for it. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/20/2007 4:01:08 PM | noob
boxing is going to die anyways, because UFC will take it over...they are already worried about the future of boxing...
like someone else said earlier in the thread, learn how to "google" | |
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