| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/20/2007 4:19:09 PM | | I don't think boxing will die, but I can realistically see it becoming a sport that Americans don't really care about (like soccer or rugby). | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/30/2007 12:39:07 PM | UFC is still an emerging sport just now goin mainstream but just as someone stated earlier, UFC fighters need 2 be more versatile; kicks, punching, grappling, they have long list of mixed martial arts because they compete against so many different types of fighters in the ring. And saying UFC fighters aren't fit and have no stamina is just garbage, anyone can tell you that wrestling, getting punched, and getting choked takes a greater deal of physical readiness than boxing.
Boxing is more specialized, strictly punching, of course if a UFC fighter were restricted to punches they'd lose. Take a golfer and tell them the only club they can use was a wedge, damnit they are going to lose. maybe a bad metaphor but maybe it'll help you understand.
Put a boxer in the octagon, they'd hold their own until they went to the ground because guess what, thats usually where the fight stops for them. Soon as a boxer hits the mat and are expected to continue the fight, they'd be completely lost and so would the fight.
Maybe it all depends on the fighter, I dunno. Still love both sports with a passion. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/30/2007 3:18:51 PM | LOL LOL LOL  Are you f*cking kidding me??? I'd hate to speak for any UFC fighter, but I'm guessing that they don't go over to boxing because it's boxing not MMA...duhhhhhh.
I suppose you also take pleasure in comparing basketball and figure skating?!? How about football and gymnastics?!? Boxing is boxing and UFC is Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). I do give you credit in your ability to notice that they both take place in a ring...hmmm, that's about all I'll give you. You'll also notice that while these bouts are taking place there is a thrid party in the ring, that would be the r-e-f-e-r-e-e...just in case you didn't know 
You're probably right, a monkey could do a choke hold. And that's one difference between a MMA fighter and a monkey, a MMA fighter can do it right without breaking his opponents neck!
You know...you shouldn't speak on things you are not familiar with. If it looks like "street fighting" to you that would be because you are not familiar with MMA. If it looks "sloppy" to you, again that would be because you are not familiar with MMA. It's actually an amazing sport that requires a hell of a lot of training. Some of these guys have been training for several years, many from very young ages. You may notice that most of these guys are not very big guys...that's because it's not all about strength...it's about skill! | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/5/2007 3:56:38 PM | when you say a ufc fighters fitness lever is lower then a boxers, when was the last time you saw a boxer using his entire body in a fight?
Boxers are some of the most well conditioned athletes in the world with Olympic type status in training , what I get a kick out of also is when people compare boxing to MMA styles , Boxing is one of the earliest martial arts recognized , it is only a different system of fighting , as far as conditioning goes MMA fighter are not trained nor could they go as long as a boxing match could take place such as a 12 round fight.
and to answer the question Tyson in his prime fighting Chuck Liddell .........Pulease !!!
Mike Tyson was and is many things but in his prime.........his speed was matched by few. He would knock Chucks block off......... | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/5/2007 6:49:36 PM | How come this topic is STILL going on and why are boxing fans so ignorant.
Can't they accept the fact that the sport is dead and a new and more entertaining fighting league has emerged??
Who sells more PPV?? Who has broken the record for consecutive most watched PPV?? Who is on cable?? Who can name 3 boxers??
Spike TV is the reason why people don't take this sport seriously. People look at UFC and think its some kind of joke. UFC needs to be on a more serious network that covers other popular sports such as CBS, NBC, or even FOX.
People can't take UFC seriously when its on the same network as TNA and Manswers for crying out loud!! | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/5/2007 6:56:31 PM |
How come this topic is STILL going on and why are boxing fans so ignorant.
Can't they accept the fact that the sport is dead and a new and more entertaining fighting league has emerged??
ignorant??? Ummm where's the respect for other Martial Arts?? half of MMA use boxing techniques in the first few moments if not most of their fights.
as far as boxing being a dried up sport it's time to stop sniffing the glue.
One of boxing's greatest fights is still televised to this day "The Thrilla in Manila"
"lights out sukka" The great One ~Muhammad Ali ~ | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/5/2007 8:04:48 PM |
as far as boxing being a dried up sport it's time to stop sniffing the glue.
One of boxing's greatest fights is still televised to this day "The Thrilla in Manila"
They still show Marilyn Monroe's movies on TV. But what has she done lately that's worth watching? | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/5/2007 9:23:41 PM |
They still show Marilyn Monroe's movies on TV
"Some like it Hot".....great !!! movie..
I don't think boxing will die, but I can realistically see it becoming a sport that Americans don't really care about
as long as there are fans and great bouts in some divisions? it's very unlikely that will happen. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/6/2007 6:34:51 AM |
If UFC fighters are so great then why don't they come over to boxing and make millions ? They wouldn't dare !!! I don't know anyone who would turn down the chance to make millions. The reason is because they would be outclassed by even a mediocre boxer.
*cough* TROLL *cough*
Some key points:
1.) I don't like either sport that much. Boxing is full of paper champions and BS. UFC is boring to watch when the fight goes to the ground and the rounds are way too long.
2.) If anything, I prefer the standup striking of K-1. No wrestling, just punching and kicking.
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/6/2007 1:45:33 PM |
Boxers are some of the most well conditioned athletes in the world with Olympic type status in training
True, but you should realize there are a lot of Olympians in MMA as well (mostly wrestlers, and a few guys from Judo). For most of the top MMA fighters, training is a full-time six-days-per-week job. As has already been explained, they train for a different set of challenges. No, their training wouldn't prepare them well for boxing, but boxers' training wouldn't prepare them well for MMA either.
Boxing is one of the earliest martial arts recognized
As is wrestling. MMA incorporates both - AND techniques from many other martial arts, whether new or long-established.
as far as conditioning goes MMA fighter are not trained nor could they go as long as a boxing match could take place such as a 12 round fight.
How many times does this need to be addressed? Yes, an MMA fighter would not be well-prepared for a boxing match, but you're in denial if you think a pure boxer is likely to come into MMA and do well against Fedor, Nog or Gonzaga in a 25 minute MMA bout where they'd have to try to fend off takedowns and submissions, or that going strength against strength in a clinch or on the ground for minutes at a time won't make them fatigue.
and to answer the question Tyson in his prime fighting Chuck Liddell ........Pulease !!! Mike Tyson was and is many things but in his prime.........his speed was matched by few. He would knock Chucks block off
In a stand-up fight, you're definitely right. But Chuck was never the best MMA had to offer, though he is good. Tyson WAS the best boxing had to offer at one time. Now, make it a wrestling match and Chuck would dominate. Or make it MMA and it'd be a toss up, depending on whether Tyson landed flush first or Chuck got a takedown (which is not how he prefers to fight, btw). But then if we substitute Chuck for a prime Mark Kerr or present Fedor, Tyson would get taken down and beaten on. Too bad we could never see a mutually prime Hoost/Tyson kickboxing fight. I'd have put my money on Tyson, but it wouldn't have exactly taken a miracle for Hoost chop him down with leg kicks either. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/6/2007 8:45:42 PM | MMA is supposed to be violent, not graceful. Go to a ballet if you want to see something graceful.
And many of the boxing matches I've seen lately (especially heavyweights) involved two guys throwing a few punches and then hugging each other for 10 - 20 seconds. At least in MMA they can throw an elbow or go for a take-down while hugging.
And Spencer Fisher is the best pound for pound boxer in the UFC, in my opinion. The guy has some really fast hands. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/6/2007 10:20:41 PM | Believe it or not, Butterbean has actually had a reasonably successful run as an MMA fighter. According to Sherdog, he's 10-4-1. Six of his ten victories have been by submission.
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=9394 | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/6/2007 10:31:55 PM | Believe it or not, Butterbean has actually had a reasonably successful run as an MMA fighter. According to Sherdog, he's 10-4-1. Six of his ten victories have been by submission.
there's nothing that will make a fight fan tremble with excitement at the end of their seat like a good Butter Bean Barrage and Flurry....a well place stratigecly placed blow or punch from The Bean could probably knock out a bull moose.
thanks for the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-ZOmKfV1o
^^the Bean in action | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/7/2007 5:43:11 AM | | Jersey 101...you are so right girl. A boxer would most likely destroy a UFC competitor in his field but put him in the UFC ring in all out combat...the UFC fighter shouldn't have a problem. As submissions, Kickboxing etc. they use as you pointed out they're entire body. Both sports and fighters are great and I respect the hell out of both | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/7/2007 3:21:39 PM |
A boxer would most likely destroy a UFC competitor in his field but put him in the UFC ring in all out combat...the UFC fighter shouldn't have a problem. As submissions, Kickboxing etc. they use as you pointed out they're entire body. Both sports and fighters are great and I respect the hell out of both
Well said!
They're way different fight sports. I think folks draw the comparison simply to rpelace the old striker vs. grappler question. Of course, MMA, or should I say Royce Gracie specifically, went some way in answering that question. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/8/2007 2:50:59 PM | It's like saying which athlete is better? Hockey Player or Basketball Player... each athlete are trained for certain sports. Just because a hockey player is condition all round, can they perform well on a basketball court?
I think Chuck Liddel would beat Mike Tyson in an octagon because of octagon rules and was trained to fight standing and ground. Your being to narrow minded and seeing boxing is the only fighting sports out there? What about someone who trains in kick boxing or Tae Kwon Do? Just because someone trains in martial art, do you think they'll throw themselves into a boxing ring?
I have no clue what UFC fights your watching? Ever tried wrestling? Try moving and lifting your own and someone else body weight on the ground. You'll be winded and look fatigue also. I'd suggest you do more research before you criticized mixed martial art. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/8/2007 3:54:08 PM |
I have no clue what UFC fights your watching? Ever tried wrestling? Try moving and lifting your own and someone else body weight on the ground.
a few thoughts....
this is a hypothetical scenario , which is a better fighter? in comparison.
It depends on the Man , or who walks out of the ring with the belt.
now if You want to compare ? when it comes to chins and taking a punch Chuck liddell has a glass chin compared to the likes of a fighter like Mike Tyson and don't even go to compare boxing skills because that is just a joke and down right insulting in some aspects. high blow kicks and all the fancy moving doesn't get the job done it's great for ticket sales and gaining fans but that's about it , a good fight is two strikers going at it standing up I'm not knocking wrestling at all but it's more about joint manipulation and tap out which has won many fighters the victory.
You cannot really compare the chin of a mma fighter compared to a seasoned boxer
it could be traded back and forth all day about who's the better fighter but at the end of the day it boils down to who and what style that pulls the cash out of your pocket to enjoy , shout this topic out from the top of a mountain top for all I care but please please please I beg you do not!!!! compare Chuck Liddell's boxing skills to the likes of some one like Mike Tyson.  | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/8/2007 6:06:22 PM |
I think Chuck Liddel would beat Mike Tyson in an octagon because of octagon rules and was trained to fight standing and ground.
I actually think that Tyson (in his prime) would have beat Liddell. Liddell is a good puncher, but not a boxer. He holds his hands down low and doesn't protect his head. That doesn't work so well against a guy who could punch like a young Tyson.
Randy Couture, on the other hand, probably could have submitted or TKO'd Tyson without much difficulty. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/8/2007 6:28:08 PM | OK, dont know if this was brought up before or not....
Just how many oz. are boxing gloves compared to standard MMA gloves? Dont talk "chins" unless you are comparing apples to apples. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/8/2007 7:14:22 PM | Randy Couture, on the other hand, probably could have submitted or TKO'd Tyson without much difficulty.
It would be an interesting fight Couture is not a boxer or stand up striker He's a ground and pounder that would be the only way he'd beat a Tyson in his prime is on the ground.
OK, dont know if this was brought up before or not....
Just how many oz. are boxing gloves compared to standard MMA gloves? Dont talk "chins" unless you are comparing apples to apples.
ever seen the science of a knock out punch ?? gloves don't really have much to do with it if you ask me the taping rap compared is almost the same , if anything a boxer 's blow is trained to be harder .
There is a nerve behind the jaw muscle on Humans a correctly placed blow from My little sister could knock Me out You just have to know how to deliver it.
that is what made George Chuvalo such a tough fighter He had a chin made of granite if you ask Me there's no mma fighter alive with a chin like his.
ok well except for "Butterbean" of course............LOL !!! how could You hurt the Bean even in his losses if You ask Me he's never really been hurt . The "White Rhino" just keeps coming at Ya..............LOL !!!!
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/9/2007 10:35:29 AM | Something that boxing enthusiasts forget about is the fact that the large gloves have seriously affected the way boxing looks today. An MMA fighters boxing looks much different than a traditional boxers because in a real fight, today's boxing isn't as effective as the early form that bare knuckle boxers used. Today boxers sit in the pocket and trade...but you can't do that with the gloves off...not without risking getting KO'd. You can't do it on the street and you certainly can't do it in an MMA match.
Seriously...trying to compare boxing and MMA is tough because they are two VERY different sports. Heck...even comparing shoot boxing with boxing isn't quite right either....
And for the record...boxers who transition to MMA NEVER have done well. Kimbo Slice, a street fighter with less than a years MMA training took out legendary Boxer, Ray Mercer...and Kimbo isn't exactly known as a technician on the ground yet...but still...the techniques he used proved effective. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/9/2007 1:08:28 PM |
And for the record...boxers who transition to MMA NEVER have done well.
re: Butter Bean....?? The bean is a contender , Bean ticket sales are up to an all time high. In interview The Bean was quoted in saying that He's bringing his game to the next level with his ninjitsu skillz....
Kimbo is a retired street thug , and I don't think he will go very far in MMA. If he listen's to Bass Ruten he may make something of it.
Kimbo Boxing Skillz ?: 0. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 11/9/2007 2:09:32 PM |
a good fight is two strikers going at it standing up I'm not knocking wrestling at all but it's more about joint manipulation and tap out which has won many fighters the victory.
A good fight is a good fight, stand up or otherwise, but you have to understand what is going on to appreciate it. And tapping out is the only thing that saves those guys from having some broken limb or another and spending the next couple months in a cast.
I'd take the fat lip and the black eye over that any day.
You cannot really compare the chin of a mma fighter compared to a seasoned boxer
Of course you can compare the chins. Because a solid chin is not something that you can develope. A person can either take a solid punch, or several, or they can't; regardless of any training they may or may not have had. | |
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