| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/28/2008 3:29:47 PM |
but hey im just a girl, what do I know right?
Nothing.
lol, just kidding. In all reality though, I completely agree. It's two totally different sports with different fans. It's like comparing the NFL to the NBA. Yes, they both use a ball, but the rules of the game are different, thus making it a totally different game. Same goes with MMA and boxing. Just because they are both combat sports doesn't mean they need to be in conflict. They can coexist. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/28/2008 4:49:39 PM | Did anyone hear the next Oscar Del a Hoya fight is being held up a bit while they decide how the 100 Million it's expected to generate is divided.....
I won't be paying 50-60 bucks to watch it....give me the UFC/MMA any day | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 8/31/2008 9:24:13 PM | doesn't really matter it's time for Del a Hoya to retire his last few fights have been embarrassing beyond words .
Now he want s to take on probably the best pound for pound boxer in the world???
gimmie a break .
Oscer you were great in your day , but it's time to hang the gloves up. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/1/2008 5:34:26 PM | Actually, I think Oscar is going to take Manny's head off. It's going to look a lot like Oscar's fight with Arturo Gatti, only it might be shorter.
I LOVE Manny, and have flown to Vegas to see him fight, but I have to be realistic about this. Manny is going to find out pretty quick that it's one thing to be blasted by 130 pounders on their way out of the sport, and quite another to get hit by Oscar. Oscar, by the way, held the best boxer in the world to a razor-close decision that could have gone either way (Mayweather), AND more than held his own for 9 rounds with middleweight champ Hopkins, until getting caught by that bodyshot.
Manny needs time and accumulation of blows to wear guys down. Not to mention that those guys he has been wearing down with his shots are NOWHERE NEAR 147 pounds. Oscar is going to look huge next to Manny in the ring!
I'll be cheering for Manny, but expecting a blow-out win by Oscar...... | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/1/2008 6:44:55 PM | | a boxer MIGHT be able to beat a UFC fighter (or I should say MMA fighter cause the best MMA in the world has yet to sign in UFC although it looks like he will soon) but if you put the boxer aainst a guy like say GSP. Anderson Silva or or fedor Emelenanko (think thats how you spell his name) the boxer would lose | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 9/1/2008 6:51:52 PM |
Actually, I think Oscar is going to take Manny's head off. It's going to look a lot like Oscar's fight with Arturo Gatti, only it might be shorter.
Oh don't make me laugh  please .
Oscar has to many mental blocks , the Mayweather fight I had them tied going in to the fifth round.He was actually backing Mayweather up some thing many boxers haven't done and what does he do ? he goes against the words of one of the best trainers in the world and puts his jab in the holster for the rest of the fight . Thats why he lost.
Oscar was and is intimidated by speed some thing he doesn't have any more since gaining weight and moving up.
Pacquiao has both speed and knock out power.
I have Manny winning by decision. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/4/2008 8:39:53 PM | Boxing is a tradition. The UFC must prove that it can sustain itself over a long period of time.
This fight shouldn't be allowed to happen. Oscar should get it in the ring with Margarito or call it a day. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/8/2008 7:35:40 AM | both boxing and mma are sweet sciences !!!! but let me pose this to all of you ....in the real world of street/school thugs.... which science will help you survive?....in a true all out fight there is no referee to regulate the fight.... therefore if you have great boxing skills and meet someone who is twice as big as you are what science will afford you with the best possibilities to win or survive
as lousy as kimbo was the other nite, i would be very frightened with my chances against him with just boxing skills...i believe that a skilled mma fighter can beat a boxer in a street fight
i don't think delahoya in his prime could beat tyson in his prime....i believe that even a small skilled mma fighter has a chance to win because of his submission and ground expertise..... of course the trick is not to get hit first
in real life which would you rather have only the sweet science of boxing or the sweet science of mma | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/8/2008 8:55:01 PM |
It's two totally different sports with different fans. It's like comparing the NFL to the NBA.
I agree 100%. They both have their fan base.
As for the Oscar fight, I too think he's done as a real contender, but look at it realistically. If you've seen his last 3 or 4 fights (maybe more) he hasn't done much fighting. He's boxed, stayed safe and collected a huge payout. In my opinion he's in it for 3 things.
1. Rebuild the sport he loves and that treated him well
2. Collect a few more million bucks
3. Make a name for himself and his promotions company. Sunny Boy Productions. | |
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| ru serious dude
Posted: 10/9/2008 12:00:39 AM | | as someone who has boxed in the past (amateur), and am an amat MMA playa now, I can say one thing- MMA guys would destroy a boxer quite easily. Boxers don't have the training that MMA guys do. Plus, boxers don't have the stamina to keep up with a MMA playa- anyone who has done both would tell ya. A 26-yr old Tyson v. a 26-yr old Liddell would end in Chuck beating the piss outta Iron Mike- wouldn't be a contest. It'd be like Mini Me tryna post Shaq in da paint... MMA isn't for "bums" as you so put it... It is THE future of sports. Inoki was a great wrestler- one of the greatest wrestlers ever- we ain't tawkin bout pro wrestling v. boxing, we tawkin bout MMA v. Boxing... Ya shoulda brought up Gene LeBell v. Milo Savage (better matchup, woulda helped ur argument), also, I did pro wrestling back in the day... takes a real athlete to do that also. So ya don't think MMA is a good sport... Have u even tried it? Ru just some armchair expert? Please don't make these outrageous statements that could never be seriously backed... watya said was wild and outta this world. ROTFL | |
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| ru serious dude
Posted: 10/9/2008 1:52:25 PM | boxing is a sweet science and all boxers are warriors
mma fighting is another sweet science and all mma fighters are also warriors
but given the choice i still go with have fighting skills and strategies the mma fighter has to have....hands , feet , punching technigues, kicking and kneeing technigues, wrestling , take down, offensive and defensive ground game, chokes and submissions. stanima, muscle strenght.............................
if i would have it to do again... i would have tried out for the high school wrestling team.... you learn all the basics and practice using them every day....then go into ju jitsu, judo and muai tia kick fighting....being able to strike/box is more instinctive....don't waste your time with hollywood karate and kung fu form fighting bull
a fight breaks out and after the first few punches usually its wrestling and ground and pound......but in the day i was always confident with duking it out with someone and very scared of those that wound wrap you up and either try to choke you out of break your bones
an mma fighter has an arsenal of strategies to fight with while a boker has limited expertises....now a highly trained professional boxer turned mma fighter would be one tough cookie monster | |
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| ru serious dude
Posted: 10/10/2008 10:05:48 PM | | I agree with that. Someone who's become an expert in any one fight discipline has a good foundation to transfer over into MMA. It can be any discipline: boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, judo, jiu jitsu, sambo, whatever. But they HAVE to learn more than that one discipline or they'll get used 9 out of 10 times. There will always be lucky punches and such, so I've got to give them 1 out of 10. I mean every now and then a lesser fighter will beat a vastly superior one because fighting is somewhat chaotic. | |
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| ru serious dude
Posted: 10/11/2008 2:05:33 PM | | 4 tha both ofya, customjim and bibblebobble, thanx... good to see that somebody gets it- u2 def know wat ur tawkin bout... I've always hated it wen ppl make generalizations about something w/o seeing all sides of a thing. Plus, MMA is fun... | |
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| MMA is really fun to watch...
Posted: 10/13/2008 10:07:31 AM | ...but I'd really HATE to compete in it---taking repeated hammer-fists, elbows and knees to the head and body while pinned on the ground? No thanks. I am in total awe of those guys who can survive all that, though.
I think we'll see MMA easily overtake boxing as the top combat sport within the next 5-10 years. It's just so much more fun to watch, there are so many more weapons being used, and these guys' conditioning is phenomenal. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 10/13/2008 8:24:17 PM | | Does the OP not remember when Ali not being allowed to fight in the US fought a Japanese wrestler called Antonio Inoki ?? The bout was meant as a demonstration rather than a serious contest .The majority of the match saw Inoki on his back kicking Ali’s leg. In the 15 rounds, Ali threw less than a dozen punches. It ended in a draw but this was purely to save Ali`s reputation , when in actual fact he was slaughtered . | |
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| MMA is really fun to watch...
Posted: 10/13/2008 9:40:51 PM | | edsta, MMA is fun... ya just gotta get used to getting hit... you'll like it, just try it... :) | |
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| ru serious dude
Posted: 6/4/2009 12:49:27 PM |
don't waste your time with hollywood karate and kung fu form fighting bull
Lyoto Machida is a traditional Shotokan guy and he uses a lot of the traditional techniques in his stand up. Of course he has adapted them to MMA. But to say Karate is bull is totally uneducated and silly. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:52:32 PM | you're tremendously misinformed about this match. Ali vs Inoki was originally supposed to be a worked fight - meaning that the end was supposed to be predetermined. Part of New Japan's promotional philosophy from its outset was that Pro Wrestling was the "King of Sports" ie the ultimate combat style, superior to boxing, Judo, karate, etc.
Inoki, the founder of the company, brought in various stars from other fighting disciplines to perform worked matches in which they would lose to him. Ali was supposed to be no different - and he was going to get paid millions to 'do the job' and lose to Inoki just like others had.
At the last minute, however, the Ali camp backed out - in an attempt to salvage the match, it was to be a mixed martial arts match - winner by knockout, decision or submission.
Ali's camp went to watch Inoki at a sparring session, and after seeing what he could do, imposed a series of ridiculous restrictions on Inoki, including - no takedowns or throws (all grappling would have to be done only if Ali willingly went to the mat with Inoki) no punching or kicking above the waist, and only a minute on the ground at a time if the fight ended up there.
Inoki fought a very smart fight under these rules. "Classy" Freddie Blassie, wrestling legend, who was in Ali's corner as part of this interpromotional matchup, had to repeatedly tell Ali to not get on the ground with Inoki (he wanted to, but Blassie knew that he'd twist Ali into a pretzel, easily)
As for Inoki's capabilities as a submission or 'catch' wrestler? He was trained in the art by Karl Gotch and Lou Thesz, two of the best to ever live - and the stories about him actually tapping out UFC champion Dan Severn basically at will, while in his mid 50s - in a private sparring session witnessed by wrestling/MMA journalist Dave Meltzer are legendary. Apparently he also had a very long sparring session with current UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar who was just coming out of his top notch amateur career and was being scouted by NJPW (this is pre WWE/pre UFC) in which Brock couldn't get the upper hand on a nearly 60 year old Inoki.
as for MMA and boxing? If such a farce were to happen (and it would be a farce) my money would be on Fedor Emelianenko to beat the top 10 heavyweight boxers IN THE SAME NIGHT if it were under MMA rules.
your comments about anyone being able to apply a chokehold are completely absurd. I suggest you watch some high level Judo or Brazilian Jiujitsu competition sometime. ADCC (Abu Dhabi Combat Club) World submission grappling championship would also be a good place to start. Go watch some Marcelo Garcia matches and learn something. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/4/2009 9:07:07 PM | | I think Liddel wins in both situations. I don't want to knock boxing but honestly MMA fighters are better in my book, you have martial arts like Jeet and Ju-Jitsu teaching you to use your opponents strengths against them, and all in all MMA's just come off as much more well rounded. Keeping in mind though that a good percentage of MMA's incorporate boxing as one of their primary fighting styles. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:49:28 AM | | Sorry, but I have to disagree. I've been a boxing fan for years, and I was a big Tyson fan back in the day. However, even at his peak, he'd get his butt kicked by any upper tier MMA fighter, probably any middle tier fighter as well. Boxing is too one dimensional, so once a boxer is on his back, it's over with. The boxer would have to land a knockout blow as the MMA fighter is coming in. Once the MMA guy has the boxer locked up though, that's it. Even Mike Tyson circa 1986. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/6/2009 9:00:53 AM | Hey they are both great sports and having trrained with professionals in both areas. Like Jersey 101 stated, its a different scenario. Boxers are only trained to worry about atacks from the waist up. If it was in a ring with those rules of course a boxer would win because well he has mastered one area.
Another thing is fitness levels. UFc is one of the hardest trained sports an have to be in amazing shape. Although boxing is the hardest trained sport in the world. Ive been a boxer for 6 years and if anyone knows after a few rounds your arms are lead.
12 rounds in boxing 3 mins, ufc 3 rounds 5 mins | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/6/2009 1:33:35 PM |
Although boxing is the hardest trained sport in the world.
I don't agree there at all. MMA is much harder, IMHO. The grappling will wear you out much quicker than boxing will. Ever had someone hit you? Sure - it's boxing. Ever had someone sit on your chest and hit you? And then try to choke you out or break one of your limbs? That's MMA.
BTW, championship matches in the UFC are 5x5 minutes rounds. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2009 3:50:18 PM | Yeah thats a championship match though. I do agree it is extremly hard and trained for. Its a constant energy drain due to grappling and constant push and pull.
Boxing though when it comes to endurance is top. My friends a professional boxer who just turned UFC and he said you are drained just as bad as boxing, but its over so much faster.
Im not being one sided. A person whos and MMA would kill a boxer lol, but im just comparing training and endurance. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/6/2009 4:52:25 PM | How can you just turn UFC?
UFC is not a sport. It is a mixed martial arts organization that is fought inside an octagon shaped cage.
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