| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/7/2009 9:16:46 AM | Give it 2o years, boxing talent pool is going to get slaughtered by MMA..
Boxing has already killed itself from nostalgia, everyone the past 2 decades that is great is considered to have had no competition..You basically can no longer become the greatest boxer ever...If RJJ can't be considered the best ever in his weight class, why would anyone even bother at this point. A heavyweight could go 100-0 with all KOs in the first round and Ali would still be considered better.."well of course he went a 100-0, he didn't fight anyone unlike Ali".
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/11/2009 7:22:11 AM | I enjoy wrestling and brazilian jiu jitsu for the sport aspect, it's like chess- moves and counters, tangents of strategy. That and the spatial awareness one must have- a wrestler has to have good kinesthesis at all times or they get out-maneuvered easily.
As for MMA bouts like UFC and boxing in general, there is strategy of course, but the eventual outcome is not based on the competitors' skill so much as it is based on the opponent succumbing to being pummeled in the skull. I can see the appeal of that: seeing the extremes of human fortitude. But what appeals to me is the strategy. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/13/2009 3:18:09 PM | | most of these ufc cage fighters are big nancy boys..they throw a few punches and kicks at each other..then end up rolling about on the floor like old woman..boxing is much harder and superior..a proper sport.. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/13/2009 10:48:21 PM | The culture of the ancient Greeks was a warrior culture with a single combatant aesthetic. Our modern day Olympic Games and the roots of the West's athletic tradition stems from ancient Greece.
Now, the ancient Greeks had fistfighting as one of their recognized Olympic sports. And they had wrestling as one of their Olympic sports. And they had a mix of the two, called pankrase, as one of their Olympic sports ... until some nancy boy Pope had it outlawed, and eventually the Olympic Games themselves.
Now, if you look at the substantial evidence of pankration that remains, it parallels modern MMA right down to specific details. The two are next to identical.
To suggest that MMA is not a proper sport displays a remarakble ignorance of what is and what is not a proper combat sport; not to mention a remarkable ignorance of way a culture of true warrior-athletes developed and celebrated a mixed striking/grappling sport to begin with.
I come from a boxing family, and I personally am ashamed of the trash talk boxers heap on MMA, while guys like Floyd Mayweather chase a pay-check into WWE rather than REPRESENTING and putting all the talk to the test. TALK should never prevail in ANY competative sport, ESPECIALLY in combat sports ... save amongst proper nancy boys.
Like all competative questions, the answers are right there just waiting to be discovered. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/14/2009 12:57:04 AM | There are so many things wrong with the OP I don't even know where to begin...
Boxing is to MMA what a combat sport that only allowed head butting, with the hands tied behind your back, would be to boxing. I respect boxers a lot, but boxing is a sport with a lot of rules. MMA is much closer to real combat, so as far as the "baddest man on the planet" label goes, I used to believe heavyweight boxing champs might have a legitimate claim to that, but not any more. MMA is much closer to real combat. Still, if your point is that boxers are the best boxers in the world, I would have to totally agree with you. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/14/2009 6:36:05 AM |
most of these ufc cage fighters are big nancy boys..they throw a few punches and kicks at each other..then end up rolling about on the floor like old woman..boxing is much harder and superior..a proper sport..
Sez the guy who has clearly never done so much as 5 minutes of Brazilian jujitsu.  | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/14/2009 7:35:14 AM | | no..iv never done brazilian jujitsu..but i had a long amataur boxing career..and i know as it is a full contact sport that it is much tougher than any martial art and more effective in a real life street type situation..theres no rolling around and tapping out first twinge of pain in boxing..its a tough ole sport buddy..you wanna try it some day..lol | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/14/2009 7:46:56 AM | "With that said, I would love to see an NCAA champion level wrestler with US Olympic team level boxing skills."
If anything, this is what makes MMA better. Obviously an olympic level wrestler with olympic level boxing and a bbj blackbelt would be almost impossible to beat if they had a chin. There isn't enough time in the day though for anyone to get that good at everything so you get alot more interesting matchups. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/14/2009 3:52:30 PM | | [QUOTE]If anything, this is what makes MMA better. Obviously an olympic level wrestler with olympic level boxing and a bbj blackbelt would be almost impossible to beat if they had a chin. There isn't enough time in the day though for anyone to get that good at everything so you get alot more interesting matchups.[/QUOTE]I know he doesn't have a wrestling background, but in training, supposedly GSP manhandles guys Evans, and we saw what he did to Koscheck. And you have Silva, who is a world class muay thai based striker with great BJJ. I don't think it's impossible although I know what you're saying. Cain V and Fedor are pretty close to what I'm describing, I guess. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/14/2009 4:07:35 PM |
no..iv never done brazilian jujitsu..but i had a long amataur boxing career..and i know as it is a full contact sport that it is much tougher than any martial art and more effective in a real life street type situation..theres no rolling around and tapping out first twinge of pain in boxing..its a tough ole sport buddy..you wanna try it some day..lol
First twinge of pain, LOL.
PLEASE visit your nearest BJJ school and challenge the first BLUE BELT you see with that talk. And let us know how it went after they revive you. Clueless. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/18/2009 10:35:41 AM | no doubt boxing is raw. you have some great technique, crosses over great to the real world, the only thing is they are completely different sports.
take your standard MMA guy throw him into a boxing format against a pro, he'll likely get creamed. and vise versa.
we all saw what happend to ali when he nearly lost his legs to ground kicks....
its just different formats, different rules, different training regiment, different all together.
thats why you dont see anyone who is pure boxer winning any titles in mma, not the right sport to bring a pure boxer into. likewise you will never see a ground specialist, or kickboxer take any pro boxing titles.
apples and oranges imo.
boxing definately has its place in many mma programs though. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/18/2009 10:39:58 AM |
With that said, I would love to see an NCAA champion level wrestler with US Olympic team level boxing skills.
no doubt.
im excited to see what Ishii is going to be able to do in mma. sure would be interesting if we see more olympic gold medalists attempting the cross over to pro mma. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/18/2009 12:38:23 PM | grappling matches can sure get old, especially if you have a few fights in a row that all basically go the same way.
starting to see a lot of class act strikers in the game now with great take down defense, keeping those grapplers on their feet and forcing them to train up their striking.
like when cung le broke frank shamrocks arm with his kicks...classic. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/20/2009 12:43:46 AM |
like when cung le broke frank shamrocks arm with his kicks...classic.
Well, to be fair Shamrock was already way past his prime. I'd be really curious to see how Le would do against a top tier MMA fighter like Anderson Silva though. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 11:45:45 PM | ^ Wonder if he's been in any major bouts since the Shamrock fight?
The thing is, Le was a collegiate All-American wrestler, so he's definitely got SOME ground skills. There were a couple of times when Shamrock did try to grab him but he shook him off pretty easily. | |
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| UFC can not compare itself to boxing.
Posted: 6/21/2009 2:45:24 AM | | Le's wrestling seems decent enough to do just that, shrug off a few takedown attempts. His first few strikeforce fights were a joke. I think it was the third fight that he threw a guy, got mount, and couldn't do anything. He didn't have the power to stop him with strikes and had no idea how to transition into subs. | |
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